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Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Oct 30 00:33:48 2014

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The Port Authority's capital plan for the next 10 years includes no money to build the critically needed Gateway rail tunnels or upgrade or replace the overcrowded Port Authority Bus Terminal, but it does include $1.5 billion to provide Manhattan residents with a low-cost, one-seat ride on a new PATH line to Newark Airport.

To New Jersey mass-transit advocates, the controversial PATH extension is not only a case of misplaced priorities in an era of scarce funding, but also is emblematic of how political deal-making took precedence over policy needs for too long at the Port Authority, which is the subject of at least six separate federal and state investigations.

It was Gov. Chris Christie who pushed Port Authority commissioners 20 months ago to make sure its $27.6 billion capital plan for the next decade included the $1.5 billion PATH extension that United Airlines wanted to carry passengers and workers to its Newark Airport hub. United, which employs 13,000 workers in the region and carries 24 million of the 35 million passengers who fly in and out of Newark Liberty International Airport each year, would be the biggest beneficiary of the PATH extension, a five-year project on which construction is scheduled to begin in 2018.

United repaid the favor to Christie by agreeing to provide flights to Atlantic City Airport -- which Christie convinced the Port Authority to take over -- as part of the his administration's master plan to bring national convention business to the resort's casinos, an effort that was undercut by the closure of four of the city's 12 casinos this year.

"I'm just not sure that a PATH extension to Newark Airport should take priority over other needs, given the transportation funding crisis that we are facing," Assembly Transportation Committee Chairman John Wisniewski (D-Middlesex) said last week. "You can get on a train in Manhattan and get to Newark Airport now. We have other much more pressing needs to which that $1.5 billion could be devoted."

Wisniewski's view is echoed by a "who's who" of transportation advocates, and the Port Authority is starting to listen.

Port Authority Commissioner Kenneth Lipper has already publicly called for the bistate agency to reevaluate its capital priorities -- including the PATH airport extension -- to find money to upgrade or replace the Port Authority Bus Terminal, whose 500,000 daily bus riders are repeatedly subjected to overcrowding and delays. The agency's plans to upgrade the bus terminal took a severe hit Wednesday when its proposal for a $230 million federal grant for a new bus storage facility was rejected.

Perhaps even more critical, no funding has been identified for the new Gateway rail tunnels that must be built in the next 10 years because the two 104-year-old rail tunnels that carry 250,000 NJ Transit and Amtrak riders under the Hudson each day will have to be closed for a year each to repair damage from superstorm Sandy. When that happens, rail service will be cut from 24 trains an hour during rush hour to just six, creating a metropolitan transit crisis.

The Port Authority provided $3 billion for the Access to the Region's Core (ARC) rail tunnel project that would have provided NJ Transit with two new rail tunnels under the Hudson by 2018, but Gov. Chris Christie cancelled the project in 2010 and diverted $1.8 billion in Port Authority money in order to renew the Transportation Trust Fund (TTF) without raising the gas tax.

That money is now gone, and the Port Authority provided no funding in its 10-year capital budget for the Gateway project. "Anybody who knew anything about what we are facing cringed when the Port Authority did its disappearing act on the Hudson River rail tunnels," said Martin E. Robins, director emeritus of Rutgers University's Alan M. Voorhees Transportation Policy Center.

Now, New Jersey is facing a triple-barreled transportation funding crisis:

The five-year $8 billion state Transportation Trust Fund, which was supposed to last until June 2016, is going to run out of money for new highway, bridge, and mass-transit capital projects a year early because of overborrowing by the Christie administration. Transportation Commissioner Jamie Fox conceded the new TTF renewal would require a tax increase, but whether Christie will go for a big enough gas-tax hike to finance the $2 billion-a-year program the state needs is questionable, especially with him eyeing a 2016 presidential run.

Congress's willingness to fund a robust federal transportation bill when the current law expires in May is questionable, given the unwillingness of lawmakers to consider raising the current 18.4-cents-per-gallon federal gas tax. And Amtrak, which has been a favorite whipping boy of the Republican-controlled House of Representatives, will be under even more fiscal pressure if the GOP also takes control of the U.S. Senate in next month's election, which could affect Amtrak's ability to obtain federal funding for the Gateway tunnel, one of its top priorities.

Finally, the Port Authority and the New Jersey Turnpike Authority, which served as "cash cows" for both Christie and his Democratic predecessor, Gov. Jon Corzine, have already raised tolls on the Port Authority's six bridges and tunnels and on the Turnpike so high that they cannot reasonably be expected to raise tolls again. Consequently, New Jersey cannot expect a massive infusion like the $4.5 billion in Port Authority and Turnpike funds that Corzine put together to fund the ARC tunnel that Christie later cancelled.

It is the magnitude of the transportation-funding crisis facing New Jersey that worries legislators and transportation advocates alike, and it is for that reason that they are paying such close attention to how the state, the Port Authority, and other transportation agencies set priorities and allocate their budgets.

"It certainly would be nice to hop on a PATH train in Manhattan and go all the way through to Newark Liberty, but that's just a matter of additional convenience because you can already take NJ Transit from Penn Station in New York," said Jameson W. Doig, a Princeton University professor who has been a sharp critic of the politicization of decision-making at the Port Authority. "That seems to be a very modest improvement for the amount of money involved.

"I wonder whether Christie was simply mistaken or operating in his own reality when he thinks he will get more of a political payoff from running PATH trains out to Newark Airport and having United fly into Atlantic City than he would get from using Port Authority funds to fix the Port Authority Bus Terminal," Doig said. Replacement of the bus terminal, which would cost an estimated $1 billion or more, "is clearly a much higher priority, and the new rail tunnel is a much larger project that needs separate consideration."

Doig said the Port Authority should not only redirect the $1.5 billion allocated to the PATH extension to Newark Airport, but also should take away the $940 million "slush fund that it gave to the governors to spend on projects of their own choosing. I know this is the view of some of the (Port Authority) commissioners as well."

Janna Chernetz, New Jersey Advocate for the Tri-State Transportation Campaign, agreed that fixing the Port Authority Bus Terminal and building the Gateway rail tunnels should be the top priorities.

"The Port Authority Board of Commissioners says it is willing to put off projects in its 10-year capital plan if there are other projects that have higher priority," Chernetz noted. "We would characterize the PATH Extension to Newark Airport as a project that should be put off for more of a high-priority project."

Christie administration officials did not respond to emailed requests for comment on any linkage between the PATH extension to Newark Airport and United's decision to begin flights to Atlantic City Airport.

But Fox, a Democrat whom Christie tapped last month to return to the transportation commissioner post he originally held a decade ago under Gov. Jim McGreevey, defended the merit of the planned $1.5 billion PATH extension to Newark Airport last Friday in a question-and-answer session at the New Jersey SEED (Society for Environmental, Economic Development) in Atlantic City.

"The Port Authority can't invest enough money in Newark Airport," Fox said, from upgrading terminals and runways to "making sure people can get there by road or by building a PATH extension so that the business community (in Manhattan) goes there rather than Kennedy Airport.

"I'm selfish about it ... I'm not a parochial guy when it comes to the Port Authority," said Fox, who served a stint as the agency's deputy executive director during the McGreevey administration. "But there is a pot of money there, and we have to be sure we are getting our share."

While the PATH extension also will bring workers from Essex and Hudson counties to Newark Airport, the ability to bring passengers from Lower Manhattan's Financial District was clearly the top goal.

"This exciting project is going to create a one-seat ride from lower Manhattan to Newark airport," Deborah Gramiccioni, Christie's appointee as the Port Authority's deputy executive director, said in announcing the PATH Extension last February at the first Port Authority board meeting held after she replaced Bill Baroni, who resigned in the wake of the Bridgegate scandal.

http://www.newsworks.org/index.php/new-jersey/item/74402-some-question-whether-manhattan-to-newark-airport-path-train-is-best-use-of-funds-

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 30 02:02:14 2014, in response to Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Oct 30 00:33:48 2014.

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This has the Fatman's grubby finger prints all over it. He's going to go down in history as the most hated governor in the country... number One palm greaser.

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by The ORION Kid on Thu Oct 30 03:01:43 2014, in response to Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Oct 30 00:33:48 2014.

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"You can already get on a train in Manhattan and go to EWR" BLAH BLAH BLAH BULLSH*T. Midtown and Downtown are 2 very different places and if your NJ State Legislator ass doesn't know that, whatever, it's not your job to know about OUR problems in NY. It's the PAs job on the other hand to build things that benefit BOTH states and PATH to EWR is doing just that. These NJ pols are complaining about something that will ultimately benefit them with sales tax revenue from the Lower Manhattan crowd this will bring through EWR. Lower Manhattan NEEDS this, we're growing like never before and we need better airport connections by mass transit. The MTA and PA have already helped on the NY/JFK/LGA side of things with the Q70, JFK Airtrain and so on, but this actually benefits BOTH states. Would you rather the MTA start a new JFK Express and then Jersey gets nothing? I don't think so, these NJ pols should want EWR to function as a NYC airport just as much as LGA and JFK do, but getting to EWR for us downtown now is not practical at all by mass transit, going up on the subway to Penn or taking the PATH to Newark Penn and changing to another, expensive train makes zero sense over taking the (A) to Howard Beach for the JFK AirTrain.

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 30 03:14:00 2014, in response to Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by The ORION Kid on Thu Oct 30 03:01:43 2014.

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Oh please..
NJ gets more than its share from the PA.
If they Really want easy access to the airport..lower the fare TO the airport To the Station Already built For the airport.

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by SLRT on Thu Oct 30 06:07:50 2014, in response to Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 30 03:14:00 2014.

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I see a backdoor issue here. Is this a way to remove airport traffic from the Amtrak tubes?

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 30 07:27:37 2014, in response to Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by The ORION Kid on Thu Oct 30 03:01:43 2014.

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Why are YOU downtown?

And you'd rather pay $5 to cross an imaginary line to get to JFK than take PATH to NJT to an overpriced and slow monorail???? I'd say both are almost equally sh***y.

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 30 07:38:44 2014, in response to Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by SLRT on Thu Oct 30 06:07:50 2014.

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Perhaps,and that Would somewhat jell with the complaint.

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 30 07:41:48 2014, in response to Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 30 02:02:14 2014.

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Not at all. LOL!

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Oct 30 08:07:39 2014, in response to Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Oct 30 00:33:48 2014.

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***SOME*** will always question the use of funds, especially if you are not funding their project.

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ROAR

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by WillD on Thu Oct 30 08:21:06 2014, in response to Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 30 07:41:48 2014.

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Not sure what you're scoffing at. Chrisco is the governor who has politicized his appointments to the PANJNY board the most of any NJ governor. PATH to EWR is a perfect way for him to funnel bIllinois of dollars to benefactors without having to share the project with NY. NY will of course demand a quid pro quo, but will likely keep away from the actual project, giving Chrisco a free hand to distribute the largesse as he sees fit.

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Oct 30 08:27:52 2014, in response to Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by WillD on Thu Oct 30 08:21:06 2014.

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Ok? But...more trains.

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by WillD on Thu Oct 30 08:28:06 2014, in response to Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Oct 30 00:33:48 2014.

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And some would be right. This might be the most profligate, wasteful use of transit funds anyone has come up with. It's clearly a way to give Chrisco political cover when he rabbit-ears the PANJNY's pockets and tells the feds "I'd love to help fund Gateway, but we're all tapped out here. But how about that multi-billion dollar redundant airport connector?"

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by WillD on Thu Oct 30 08:32:36 2014, in response to Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Oct 30 08:27:52 2014.

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But there won't be any additional trains. PATH isn't going to send more trains through the Hudson tubes because of this. Instead it's a $1.5 billion boondoggle between two points that already have service that keeps the State of NJ and the PANJNY from paying their eventual share of the Gateway project. And that is a project which would actually allow more trains.

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Oct 30 08:54:10 2014, in response to Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by WillD on Thu Oct 30 08:32:36 2014.

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But they'll need to buy more trains to maintain the same TPH on the line, right? If so, maybe they can be convinced to buy some with a simple f*****g railfan window! For crying out loud, who is the moron over there who decided to get rid of the best part of PATH?????

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Thu Oct 30 11:01:26 2014, in response to Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Oct 30 08:54:10 2014.

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It may not have been the PATH PA-5 planning committee that took the RFW away, but Bombardier, since the space needed for the electronics in the car needed to be secured away from passenger eyes/vandalism.

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 30 12:31:35 2014, in response to Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Thu Oct 30 11:01:26 2014.

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Maybe. But PATH okay'ed the design I assume.

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by The ORION Kid on Thu Oct 30 12:40:37 2014, in response to Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 30 07:27:37 2014.

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Cause unlike you my family works very hard and we can afford it.

Well let's see. Getting to JFK by AirTrain costs $7.50 total and at least the AirTrain there is fast and I'm at the terminal in 10 minutes. Going to EWR I pay the PATH fare plus NJT plus AirTrain access which is obviously much more than the JFK option. If PATH goes to EWR I'll pay the base PATH fare plus AirTrain and it will all probably cost the same as a ride to JFK as long as the PATH fares are in line with NYCT. It will probably take less time too considering PATH right now takes just 20 minutes to get to Newark Penn from WTC and the A from Fulton to Howard Beach is a good 30-40 minute ride. It's just the POS AirTrain that would make it a very close call between EWR and JFK but I could still see EWR winning easy since the A sucks so much (not only is the ride long but you have to wait for a Far Rockaway train).

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Oct 30 13:19:26 2014, in response to Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by The ORION Kid on Thu Oct 30 12:40:37 2014.

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Cause unlike you my family works very hard and we can afford it.
??????? What does this have to do with me? Anyhow, I assume you meant to say that you LIVE in Lower Manhattan. Is that true?

Well let's see. Getting to JFK by AirTrain costs $7.50 total and at least the AirTrain there is fast and I'm at the terminal in 10 minutes. Going to EWR I pay the PATH fare plus NJT plus AirTrain access which is obviously much more than the JFK option. If PATH goes to EWR I'll pay the base PATH fare plus AirTrain and it will all probably cost the same as a ride to JFK as long as the PATH fares are in line with NYCT. It will probably take less time too considering PATH right now takes just 20 minutes to get to Newark Penn from WTC and the A from Fulton to Howard Beach is a good 30-40 minute ride. It's just the POS AirTrain that would make it a very close call between EWR and JFK but I could still see EWR winning easy since the A sucks so much (not only is the ride long but you have to wait for a Far Rockaway train).
From Lower Manhattan: If you're a business traveler and traffic isn't an issue, take a taxi/car service and expense it. If you're going on a family trip with luggage and several people then take a taxi/car service because it will be a lot easier, faster, and not much more expensive, if at all. If you're a single person going on a non-business trip, then I'd avoid, on principle, paying $5 to cross an imaginary line if at all possible. But ultimately it would come down to which airport offers me a better flight.

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Oct 30 13:41:52 2014, in response to Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Oct 30 13:19:26 2014.

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??????? What does this have to do with me?

Because your lazy ass got canned from the mailroom. :P

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 30 14:19:01 2014, in response to Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Oct 30 00:33:48 2014.

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critically needed Gateway rail tunnels

Right; there's no Hoboken Terminal or anything.

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 30 14:50:45 2014, in response to Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by The ORION Kid on Thu Oct 30 12:40:37 2014.

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Why do that when you can just take the Airport Bus..or go to Penn State for the Airport.?

Why do any of that,when you can just drive or get dropped off?

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by SubwaySurf on Thu Oct 30 15:12:16 2014, in response to Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Oct 30 00:33:48 2014.

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Umm, where's the question?

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by Allan on Thu Oct 30 15:29:38 2014, in response to Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Oct 30 00:33:48 2014.

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"with a low-cost, one-seat ride on a new PATH line to Newark Airport."

One seat??? Does that mean that PATH train will go right into the Airport rather than to the NJT Airport station??

Knowing the PA they would never give up the opportunity to get that extra fare for the AirTrain. So let's see PATH fare $3.25 (I am projecting a couple of PATH fare increases in by the time anything happens) plus the AirTrain fee of $6.50 (I expect that the AirTrain fee would go up too by that time) so it would cost $9.25 from lower Manhattan (or Midtown with a transfer at JSQ) via PATH.

I am still trying to figure out how PATH would do it. Since the PATH access tracks (current layup) are on the west side of the Amtrak ROW, they could not just continue the tracks because they would have to cross over the Raritan Valley line tracks at grade before the Airport rail station. They'd have to build a flyover somewhere.

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by The ORION Kid on Thu Oct 30 15:33:27 2014, in response to Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Oct 30 13:19:26 2014.

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Yes I do and I'm very proud of it. There a problem?

And here we go like everyone else... "oh take a cab". Taking a cab to the airport should not be a necessity, there need to be decent public transit options and AS MANY as possible.

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 30 16:24:48 2014, in response to Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by The ORION Kid on Thu Oct 30 15:33:27 2014.

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No problem. I wanted to know why you were in lower Manhattan. I actually hadn't even considered you might live there. I thought maybe you worked there.

I know that everyone can't take a cab because the highways would be clogged and there are regular rush hours but with the ridiculous airtrain fees, I'd take a cab to spite them.

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by AlM on Thu Oct 30 16:37:04 2014, in response to Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 30 16:24:48 2014.

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with the ridiculous airtrain fees, I'd take a cab to spite them.

My main reason for not taking Airtrain out of Howard Beach is the low frequency of trains going there outside of rush hour.



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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by The ORION Kid on Thu Oct 30 17:12:19 2014, in response to Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by AlM on Thu Oct 30 16:37:04 2014.

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Please... I see service every 6 minutes on weekends

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by AlM on Thu Oct 30 18:15:00 2014, in response to Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by The ORION Kid on Thu Oct 30 17:12:19 2014.

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You're not looking in the right place then.

4 per hour on Saturdays, 3 per hour on Sundays.

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 30 18:37:10 2014, in response to Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by The ORION Kid on Thu Oct 30 03:01:43 2014.

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It is a resource allocation issue. Compared to everything else we need, such as more rail tunnels to Manhattan, this is a frivolous waste of money.

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by randyo on Thu Oct 30 19:12:39 2014, in response to Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Thu Oct 30 11:01:26 2014.

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But the PA-05s could have had an RFW like the R-160s. Also, although I have not seen it, I believe that the offside bulkhead had some sort of window in it even though the only thing that can be seen is a blank wall. I’m sure if PATH really wanted it, a RFW could have been provided. I think it was just PA paranoia!

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by italianstallion on Thu Oct 30 19:13:40 2014, in response to Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by AlM on Thu Oct 30 18:15:00 2014.

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It's that damn Lefferts branch messing everything up.

You know, the C really ought to be extended to Lefferts on weekends so the A could go exclusively to the Rockaways.

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by Nilet on Thu Oct 30 20:22:34 2014, in response to Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 30 07:27:37 2014.

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But you'd pay $2.50 to cross an imaginary line?

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 30 20:27:55 2014, in response to Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by AlM on Thu Oct 30 18:15:00 2014.

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That is also how many trains per hour PATH sends to Manhattan on Saturdays and Sundays. NJT actually runs more train to Manhattan than PATH.

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 30 20:30:44 2014, in response to Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by Allan on Thu Oct 30 15:29:38 2014.

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PATH will terminate right alongside the existing NJT station, and you'll get on the Disneyland plaything just the same.

I'd rather see an NJT Newark - Rahway shuttle once per hour to plug the larger gaps between NEC and NJCL trains, especially weekends. PATH frequency sucks anyway - 4 per hour Sat, 3 per hour Sundays.

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by 3-9 on Thu Oct 30 20:43:27 2014, in response to Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by The ORION Kid on Thu Oct 30 12:40:37 2014.

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Instead of taking the A to Howard Beach, why not take the J to Jamaica?

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Oct 30 22:23:01 2014, in response to Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by SubwaySurf on Thu Oct 30 15:12:16 2014.

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your dick

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by The ORION Kid on Thu Oct 30 22:24:42 2014, in response to Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by AlM on Thu Oct 30 18:15:00 2014.

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My bad, I thought he was talking about the Airtrain.

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Nov 1 21:20:10 2014, in response to Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Thu Oct 30 11:01:26 2014.

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First of all, it's not Bombardier, it's Kawasaki who built them. And they only follow whatever designed/requested by the clients.

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Nov 12 08:32:37 2014, in response to Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by AlM on Thu Oct 30 16:37:04 2014.

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So during rush hour, you'd have no problem taking the A to Howard Beach and then paying $5 to cross an imaginary line and then riding AirTrain free to the terminals?

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Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds

Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Nov 12 08:33:14 2014, in response to Re: Some question whether NYC to Newark Airport PATH train is best use of funds, posted by Nilet on Thu Oct 30 20:22:34 2014.

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Depends.

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