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Re: Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure? |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Oct 25 09:17:54 2014, in response to Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by shiznit1987 on Sat Oct 25 09:14:17 2014. It's worth consideration. However, to do that, you have to raise the peak fair. And a huge number of low income riders do ride in the rush hour. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 25 11:04:08 2014, in response to Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by shiznit1987 on Sat Oct 25 09:14:17 2014. No.Perhaps all the criminal activity that goes on at the MTA ought to be exposed? The fraud at the LIRR is just the tip of the iceberg. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Oct 25 11:33:14 2014, in response to Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by shiznit1987 on Sat Oct 25 09:14:17 2014. It was tried in the distant past - circa 1900. People would wait for the fare to change and then rush the station.help keep weekend ridership growing. Off-peak ridership is already too high to do routine maintenance. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Oct 25 12:58:54 2014, in response to Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by shiznit1987 on Sat Oct 25 09:14:17 2014. No, but all of the fares should be higher, perhaps a $3.00 base fare, and then offer "special fares". Those in need should always be able to ride, and at a reduces fare, but that ought not to come out of the pocket of the MTA. Student fares should be subsidized by the Bored of Education, Low Income fares should be subsidized by social services.The fare = Cost of Operation - Taxpayer Support. What comes not from the taxpayer comes from the fare box. Those who CAN afford a higher fare, SHOULD pay the higher fare, those who cannot should be subsidized. Tax payers should not subsidize those who can afford to pay more just to give the poor a chance at a cheap ride. RAISE THE FARE, then help those who need help. ROAR |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Oct 25 15:13:31 2014, in response to Re: Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Oct 25 11:33:14 2014. You mean 1990 don't you? |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Oct 25 15:23:01 2014, in response to Re: Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by randyo on Sat Oct 25 15:13:31 2014. You mean 1990 don't you?No, I didn't. It was either the El's or streetcars. Peak fare was a dime; off-peak was a nickel. Now that you bring up 1990, they also tried a half-fare on weekends. |
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Posted by Allan on Sat Oct 25 15:43:05 2014, in response to Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by shiznit1987 on Sat Oct 25 09:14:17 2014. "Something like what WMATA or the London Tube has."The above two systems do not present a good comparison for your argument because WMATA and the Tube have distance-based fares vs a set fare (regardless of distance) on the NYC Subway. |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Oct 25 16:23:06 2014, in response to No, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 25 11:04:08 2014. You of course have evidence of the purported crimes and have submitted it to the state inspector general, right? It's not like you would slander public servants in the name of political ideology, right? |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Oct 25 16:29:41 2014, in response to Re: Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by Allan on Sat Oct 25 15:43:05 2014. As does the PATCO line in Philly and South Jersey. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Oct 25 16:41:38 2014, in response to Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by shiznit1987 on Sat Oct 25 09:14:17 2014. This may be something whose time has come, and I have suggested this myself.One scenario I would do is to have an "off-peak" unlimited ride MetroCard that would work like a regular MetroCard except it's main purpose would be for those who mainly ride outside of peak hours (for example, those who work Noon-8:00 PM and even more so for those who work weekends) and would be unlimited during those times. These would be sold at a discount from the regular MetroCard and include two peak rides on a seven-day, four on a 14-day and 10 peak rides on a 30-day to allow for the handful of times such do have to actually ride during peak hours. Otherwise, I would look at a $5.00 peak fare BUT set those up where those who can complete a round trip in four hours or less can re-enter for the return trip without being charged again. Such would include three subway-to-subway (or bus-to-subway, etc.) transfers for that purpose. Weekday off-peak I would make $3.00 except from 11:30 PM-4:00 AM (Monday-Thursday) when the fare would be reduced to $2.50. There can be an extra transfer added that would be valid even during peak travel time if travel started in an off-peak period. On Friday nights, the fare would be reduced to $2.25 and would be such from 10:00 PM Friday-1:00 AM Sunday. From 1:00 AM Sunday until 4:00 AM Monday, the fare would be reduced further to $1.50 to encourage families to ride more. That's how I would look at it and it's just a preliminary structure. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Oct 25 17:00:34 2014, in response to Re: Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Oct 25 12:58:54 2014. Low Income fares should be subsidized by social services.What social services? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 25 17:07:01 2014, in response to Re: Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by Nilet on Sat Oct 25 17:00:34 2014. The kind they have in North Dakota, you know, after inhaling all that shale drilling dust loaded with carcinogens. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sat Oct 25 18:38:42 2014, in response to Re: Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by Allan on Sat Oct 25 15:43:05 2014. At one time WMATA had off-peak fares in the early morning.Many federal employees have flex-time schedules which allow start times between 6:00 AM and 9:00 AM. By starting early people could take advantage of the off-peak fares for commuting. This helped spread out the rush hour. Now peak fares are charged from opening to 9:30 so most federal employees can't commute on an off peak fare. I guess spreading out the rush hour isn't worth the revenue lost with the lower fare. Or, maybe, people like to start early and don't need the incentive of a lower fare. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Oct 25 18:44:30 2014, in response to Re: Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Oct 25 16:41:38 2014. A $5 peak fare is not a good idea, regardless of how many perks you give. I can drive my car from Far Rockaway to Wakefield and not spend $5 in operating costs. Someone choosing the more virtuous route of dealing with mass transit and helping the environment should not be punished for it, no matter the time of day.I would agree with others that the way NYC is set up, the only changes to the fare structure should be the ability to make secondary transfers (bus to subway to bus) and maybe a slight discount (such as $2.25) for those who only ride one bus in their trip (without transferring to anything, and maybe only apply that discount off-peak). |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Oct 25 18:46:11 2014, in response to Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by shiznit1987 on Sat Oct 25 09:14:17 2014. No, rush hour sur charge fares punish any worker who does not have flexible scheduling. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Oct 25 18:53:10 2014, in response to No, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 25 11:04:08 2014. You talk a good game.Since you claim you have evidence of criminal activity throughout MTA while you hide yourself under the guise of a phony handle on a dumb message board, do you have to courage to publically air your specific allegations identifying yourself? Talk is cheap without airing specific evidence. You are a legend in your own mind. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Oct 25 18:57:35 2014, in response to Re: Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Oct 25 18:44:30 2014. BULLFEATHERS. Google tells me that this is 40 miles.40 miles x 55c/mile = $22.00 You are counting only the fuel, you must count ALL of your automobile costs. Purchase, Amortization, Maintenance, License, Insurance and fuel. Govt allows 55c/mile, Abbey of LION charges 55c/mi for use of cars. If you not count FULL cost of car you are just fooling yourself, not me! ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Oct 25 19:01:30 2014, in response to Re: Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by Nilet on Sat Oct 25 17:00:34 2014. The ones that dole out welfare, housing subsidies, etc etc. That usually means the county or the city. Why should taxpayers subsidize MY ride when I can afford to pay more. Let them help those who need help, and let the rest of us pay a full fair fare.ROAR |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Oct 25 19:06:24 2014, in response to Re: Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Oct 25 18:44:30 2014. What about tolls? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Oct 25 19:10:02 2014, in response to Re: Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Oct 25 19:06:24 2014. By judicious driving, he can avoid all tolls. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Oct 25 19:10:23 2014, in response to Re: Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Oct 25 18:57:35 2014. Nowhere near 40 miles. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 25 19:10:38 2014, in response to Re: Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Oct 25 19:01:30 2014. Because the ones who can afford it also tend to have options, and won't use it once they get a job in the suburbs and drive. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 25 19:11:58 2014, in response to Re: Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Oct 25 18:46:11 2014. But they have monthly passes. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 25 19:15:26 2014, in response to Re: No, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Oct 25 18:53:10 2014. You pretending the LIRR pension scandal didn't happen?Anyone who asks someone if they "have evidence" has something to hide, too. Government agencies are supposed to be accountable, are they not? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 25 19:16:00 2014, in response to Re: Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Oct 25 19:01:30 2014. Why should taxpayers subsidize MY ride when I can afford to pay moreSame applies to highways and airports. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Oct 25 19:16:45 2014, in response to Re: Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by italianstallion on Sat Oct 25 19:10:02 2014. Going thru 5 towns and Manhattan over a free bridge would take "forever" but he is not intereated in time. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Oct 25 19:35:18 2014, in response to Re: Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by italianstallion on Sat Oct 25 19:10:23 2014. Oh no? How far do you think it is Columbus? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Oct 25 19:41:51 2014, in response to Re: No, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 25 19:15:26 2014. You claim there is more going on at MTA than the LIRR pension scandal which I am not denying.Let's hear it. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Oct 25 20:13:42 2014, in response to Re: Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Oct 25 19:16:45 2014. Per Google, that route is 35 miles and would take 1 hour and 6 minutes. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Oct 25 20:15:37 2014, in response to Re: Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Oct 25 19:35:18 2014. About 26 miles if using the most direct route, and 35 miles using the toll-free route. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Oct 25 20:26:29 2014, in response to Re: Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Oct 25 15:23:01 2014. I can't see the peak fare being a dime when some years after that, the fare was artificially held to a nickel. If a dime were appropriate in 1900, that would mean that the nickel fare was obsolete even before the first IRT subway opened. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 25 20:58:29 2014, in response to Re: Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by merrick1 on Sat Oct 25 18:38:42 2014. They charge peak fares in the post midnight hours too. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Oct 25 21:01:38 2014, in response to Re: No, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 25 19:15:26 2014. That's Not what he asked you.What he asked was,are you willing to come out of your bunker with proff in hand,about your accusations? Yes or no would suffice. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Oct 25 21:14:12 2014, in response to Re: Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Oct 25 16:41:38 2014. Complicated fare tariff aside,why change what aint broke?The problem here, is the lack of a respectable daily pass. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Oct 25 21:32:44 2014, in response to Re: Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by italianstallion on Sat Oct 25 20:13:42 2014. Its going to be more than an hour and six minutes. I've been traveling up to The Bronx from the Rockaways for more than 15 years unless its 2 am and I can exceed the speed limit, it takes an hour at minimum for me to get to E 174 st. Crossing Queens and Brooklyn to get to NY and then up the FDR to the Willis Ave alone will be an hour. And 35 rounds to 40. It is going to cost more than $5. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Oct 25 21:44:53 2014, in response to Re: Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Oct 25 18:46:11 2014. Do they? Does every low wage worker thinking particularly the part timers (29hrs max per week) working uncertain schedules have the $$ to buy the monthlies? |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Oct 25 22:56:45 2014, in response to Re: Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Oct 25 19:01:30 2014. Presumably if you can afford to pay more, then you're paying more in taxes anyway so it's moot. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Oct 25 22:59:17 2014, in response to Re: No, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 25 19:15:26 2014. Anyone who asks someone if they "have evidence" has something to hide, too.Get in the fucking sack. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Oct 26 02:30:00 2014, in response to Re: Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by Nilet on Sat Oct 25 22:56:45 2014. unfortunately not nearly enough as one goes up the wage ladder. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Oct 26 02:34:11 2014, in response to Re: Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Oct 26 02:30:00 2014. Well no, but Lion was proposing a hypothetical scenario in which there was actually a social safety net to subsidise fares for poor people. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 26 07:03:06 2014, in response to Re: Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Oct 25 21:44:53 2014. They buy weeklies because they do not have the cash flow to buy a monthly, which is more costly in the long run. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Oct 26 09:52:20 2014, in response to Re: Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by italianstallion on Sat Oct 25 20:15:37 2014. The route plotted out by Google was 40 miles. Others may be devised. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Oct 26 09:57:59 2014, in response to Re: Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 25 19:10:38 2014. Horse by-product.LION lived in suburbs and would ONLY consider the train to Manhattan. Monthly ticket is cheap enough. 25 miles, round trip = 50 miles, is $27.50 not including tolls and parking. That is $770.00 for the car only over a 28 day commute period. If parking is $15.00 a day you can add another $240.00 per month, and we have not yet added the tolls. NOPE! RAPID TRANSIT at ANY price is far cheaper and easier on the soul that a car trip. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Oct 26 10:04:39 2014, in response to Re: Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 25 19:16:00 2014. Exactly. Air fares are way too low. When I first flew in 1967 the fare was about $200.00 to Seattle. Given 10x inflation that fare should be $2000.00, but it is not. Sure efficiency and competition kneads to be in the mix, but it is still too low.LION is not opposed to tolls on the highway, although higher vehicle registration fees would also provide revenue. ROAR |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Oct 26 10:04:48 2014, in response to Re: Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Oct 26 09:57:59 2014. LION lived in suburbs and would ONLY consider the train to Manhattan.It depends on where you are relative to the train station. I had a reverse commute to Westchester from 1985 to 1990 and 2004 through 2006. The first time was to the worst part of Westchester Ave along I-287, 5 miles and an awful bus trip from the nearest train station. I drove. The second was to a block from Hartsdale Station, and I took the train. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Oct 26 10:05:39 2014, in response to Re: Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by Nilet on Sat Oct 25 22:56:45 2014. Possibly. The really rich do not pay income tax. Because the do not even need to have an income.ROAR |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Oct 26 10:05:45 2014, in response to Re: Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Oct 26 10:04:39 2014. Air fares are way too low.You are opposed to the free market setting prices? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Oct 26 10:24:33 2014, in response to Re: Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by AlM on Sun Oct 26 10:05:45 2014. Not at all. It was just a comparison of air fares vis a vis inflation.But, those who as cannot compete will be bought out by those who can. And when there is only one or two airlines Maybe the prices will go up. LION bought r/t air fair to ABE. Him then upgraded the MSP - DET segment to premium economy so him could get the seats him wanted with legroom and special boarding. Him then Added checked baggage both ways since him not want to carry ANYTHING through the terminals. (And him checked a second bag on the return trip, another $35.00. And if they REALLY want to compete, they would provide decent food service, which I would be happy to buy at a fair price, but alas, all you will get is a baglet of nuts or pretzels and a coke. NOT good enough for a LION, I assure ewe. ROAR |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Oct 26 12:21:39 2014, in response to Re: Is it time NYCT consider peak/off peak fare structure?, posted by AlM on Sun Oct 26 10:05:45 2014. "Free market"? If it were a genuinely free market, anyone w/ an FAA certified plane could run on any route at will. We control "slots" at the socialist airports, provide socialist air traffic control, and (far too infrequently) enact passenger protection from "free market" abuses such as unscheduled parking on the tarmac. |
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