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Re: PATH Newark Airport extension construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP |
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Posted by localacrosstheplatform on Wed Oct 1 11:33:22 2014, in response to PATH Newark Airport extension construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Oct 1 11:26:58 2014. "21st Century transportation is vital if we're going to compete with major airports around the country and the globe," said Joe Sitt, chaiman of the Global Gateway Alliance, an airport advocacy group. "So we're glad to see the Port Authority putting concrete milestones on the table toward making a one-seat ride from the World Trade Center PATH to Newark Airport a reality." What in blue blazes does PATH have to do with 21st century transportation? |
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Re: PATH Newark Airport extension to Airtrain monorail construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 1 11:53:04 2014, in response to PATH Newark Airport extension construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Oct 1 11:26:58 2014. It starts four years from now and opens nine years from now? Wow . . . a lot can happen in that span of time. To think that they could have actually spent the monorail money on an actual PATH extension that would have entered the airport and stopped at the terminals . . . but no, that's not the way the PANY(NJ) works. |
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Re: PATH Newark Airport extension construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 1 11:54:00 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by localacrosstheplatform on Wed Oct 1 11:33:22 2014. Were you expecting something different?Any operating railroad has everything to do with 21st-century transportation. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 1 12:07:55 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by localacrosstheplatform on Wed Oct 1 11:33:22 2014. Since PATH exists as a transportation medium for at least part of the time period beginning on January 1, 2001 and ending on December 31, 2100, it is a 21st Century transportation medium. |
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Re: PATH Newark Airport extension to Airtrain monorail construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 1 12:09:07 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension to Airtrain monorail construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 1 11:53:04 2014. How would people get between the terminals? This is what people don't tend to think of when they propose direct transit lines to the airport as an alternative to a peoplemover. |
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Re: PATH Newark Airport extension to Airtrain monorail construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP |
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Posted by terRAPIN sTaTiOn on Wed Oct 1 13:26:06 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension to Airtrain monorail construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 1 12:09:07 2014. Exactly. |
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Re: PATH Newark Airport extension to Airtrain monorail construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Oct 1 20:00:02 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension to Airtrain monorail construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 1 12:09:07 2014. CTA goes to both Chicago airportsO'Haire also has their own little rail system. |
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Re: PATH Newark Airport extension to Airtrain monorail construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Oct 1 20:06:46 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension to Airtrain monorail construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by Joe V on Wed Oct 1 20:00:02 2014. Exactly. Once at O'Hare, you still need the people mover. |
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Re: PATH Newark Airport extension to Airtrain monorail construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP |
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Posted by TerrApin StatiON on Wed Oct 1 21:26:51 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension to Airtrain monorail construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by Joe V on Wed Oct 1 20:00:02 2014. Wrong. |
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Re: PATH Newark Airport extension to Airtrain monorail construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP |
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Posted by The Silence on Thu Oct 2 00:06:12 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension to Airtrain monorail construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by TerrApin StatiON on Wed Oct 1 21:26:51 2014. name one thing wrong with that statement.Or are we playing semantics again..? CTA goes to O'Hare airport, CTA goes to Midway Airport. If you arrive at O'Hare via the Blue line and your flight leaves from Terminal 5, then you need to connect to another mode of transportation, namely O'Hare's people mover, to get to the other terminal |
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Re: PATH Newark Airport extension to Airtrain monorail construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Oct 2 01:02:01 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension to Airtrain monorail construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by The Silence on Thu Oct 2 00:06:12 2014. right whereas at Midway, you merely have a serious hike. But, in both cases, you have full connection to the rapid transit system with conenient transfers to all lines. |
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Re: PATH Newark Airport extension to Airtrain monorail construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Oct 2 07:58:35 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension to Airtrain monorail construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by italianstallion on Wed Oct 1 20:06:46 2014. Not really. Unless you're going to long term parking or the international terminal you can easily walk from the CTA station to Terminals 1 through 3 for all domestic and many international flights. EWR is not laid out to support such an arrangement and PATH would require multiple stops and would be incapable of providing intermural transportation. |
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Re: PATH Newark Airport extension to Airtrain monorail construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 2 09:26:28 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension to Airtrain monorail construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Oct 2 01:02:01 2014. So? What difference does it make where the peoplemover to rapid transit transfer is? |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Oct 2 12:27:45 2014, in response to PATH Newark Airport extension construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Oct 1 11:26:58 2014. Mother of Mercy, is this the end of the Van Roll Monorail? |
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Re: PATH Newark Airport extension to Airtrain monorail construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP |
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Posted by terRAPIN sTaTiOn on Thu Oct 2 12:42:49 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension to Airtrain monorail construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by The Silence on Thu Oct 2 00:06:12 2014. LOL.He's wrong by using that as an example to counter Spider-Pig's point. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Oct 2 12:43:40 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by localacrosstheplatform on Wed Oct 1 11:33:22 2014. What are your earmarks of a "21st Century" transportation system? |
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Posted by terRAPIN sTaTiOn on Thu Oct 2 12:55:47 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by SLRT on Thu Oct 2 12:27:45 2014. is this the end of the Van Roll Monorail?Why do you ask that? |
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Re: PATH Newark Airport extension to Airtrain monorail construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Thu Oct 2 13:21:22 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension to Airtrain monorail construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 1 12:09:07 2014. All they have to do is make stations for the terminals. If they can do it for a people mover they can do it for a Subway/Railroad. |
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Re: PATH Newark Airport extension to Airtrain monorail construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 2 13:24:23 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension to Airtrain monorail construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by N6 Limited on Thu Oct 2 13:21:22 2014. How would people get between the terminals? And is there space for the larger stations that would be necessary? |
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Re: PATH Newark Airport extension to Airtrain monorail construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Oct 2 13:39:31 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension to Airtrain monorail construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by N6 Limited on Thu Oct 2 13:21:22 2014. You're ignoring things such as service frequency and operational cost. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Oct 2 14:06:45 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by terRAPIN sTaTiOn on Thu Oct 2 12:55:47 2014. Are they going to maintain the monorail after there is a direct rail connection from the Pennsy Mainline? |
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Posted by P.Opus on Thu Oct 2 14:35:29 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by SLRT on Thu Oct 2 14:06:45 2014. I gotta think the extension is going to be only as far as a monorail station.... namely the NEC Newark Airport Station. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Oct 2 16:22:14 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by P.Opus on Thu Oct 2 14:35:29 2014. You are right. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 2 19:15:08 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by SLRT on Thu Oct 2 14:06:45 2014. The PATH extension is only going as far as the existing Aitport train station on the NEC. |
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Re: PATH Newark Airport extension construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Oct 2 20:25:12 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by italianstallion on Thu Oct 2 16:22:14 2014. So they're going to spend $1.5B for PATH to take you to the same connection NJT already has? Why? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 2 20:31:27 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by SLRT on Thu Oct 2 20:25:12 2014. Don't ask them to make sense of it.It was $500 million in 2004, too. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 2 22:40:52 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by SLRT on Thu Oct 2 20:25:12 2014. It's one seat less. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 2 22:41:11 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 2 22:40:52 2014. fewer |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 2 23:11:15 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 2 22:41:11 2014. If you say so. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Fri Oct 3 19:35:07 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by SLRT on Thu Oct 2 20:25:12 2014. More frequent service. Lower fares. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 3 20:27:48 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by merrick1 on Fri Oct 3 19:35:07 2014. You sure about lower fares? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 3 20:32:54 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 3 20:27:48 2014. Yeah, there will be a surcharge without a doubt. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Sat Oct 4 11:51:02 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 2 19:15:08 2014. Apparently that's as good as it gets. I'd accept that. Should have been thunk out and done years ago. |
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Posted by The ORION Kid on Sat Oct 4 13:28:29 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by SLRT on Thu Oct 2 20:25:12 2014. To serve Lower Manhattan and areas along the PATH line better. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Oct 4 13:46:41 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by SLRT on Thu Oct 2 20:25:12 2014. NJT is not rapid transit and only serves Penn Station in NYC. |
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Re: PATH Newark Airport extension to Airtrain monorail construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Oct 4 14:14:29 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension to Airtrain monorail construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by N6 Limited on Thu Oct 2 13:21:22 2014. Trains are longer than people movers. Trains don't run as frequently as people movers. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sat Oct 4 14:22:24 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 3 20:32:54 2014. I doubt if the surcharge would be $4.25. Is there anything to stop an NJT passenger from buying a ticket to from NYP to Elizabeth and getting off at the airport station and saving a quarter? |
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Re: PATH Newark Airport extension to Airtrain monorail construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 4 14:40:44 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension to Airtrain monorail construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by italianstallion on Sat Oct 4 14:14:29 2014. I have mixed feeling about this PATH extension. I like more airport access, but OTOH I'd rather they spent $1.5B on retrofitting the JSQ-33rd Street line for 8 car trains, or put toward Portal Bridge, or Gateway, or #7. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 4 15:03:47 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by merrick1 on Sat Oct 4 14:22:24 2014. There are faregates. They won't accept an Elizabeth ticket.And Airtrain JFK costs $5. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sun Oct 5 09:53:57 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 4 15:03:47 2014. From the Airtrain website"If you already have a NJ TRANSIT or Amtrak ticket, including a commuter weekly or monthly ticket to a destination past the Newark Liberty International Airport Station, you may use it to get to or from the Airport Station. However, you will also need to purchase a separate $5.50 NJ TRANSIT ticket at the Airport Station from ticket machines located within the station." So NYP to Newark Airport is $12.50 NYP to Elizabeth $6.75 + Airtrain $5.50 = $12.25 PATH $2.75 + Airtrain $5.50 = $8.25 Would the PATH surcharge be as high as $4.25? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Oct 5 11:37:21 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by merrick1 on Sun Oct 5 09:53:57 2014. Yes, it will likely be at least $5. |
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Posted by Tcmetro on Sun Oct 5 12:19:36 2014, in response to PATH Newark Airport extension construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Oct 1 11:26:58 2014. This PATH extension seems pretty pointless. A good way to throw around limited transit dollars, I guess. Maybe it would be more useful if a station was built south of Downtown Newark.In any case, I hope they plan on running a EWR-33ST and an EWR-WTC service, full time. To round it all off, the last service could be 33ST-WTC via HOB. A lot of tourists are going to Midtown, so I think the EWR-33ST line would be quite busy. NJ Transit might not be too happy about having customers poached away, so who knows what could really happen. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 5 13:35:03 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by Tcmetro on Sun Oct 5 12:19:36 2014. These would be PANY(NJ) dollars rather than transit dollars. And doubling the cost from ten years ago is still absurd.Don't expect any EWR (monorail station, Waverly Yard) to 33rd Street direct service. Ain't going to happen. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Oct 5 16:58:18 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Oct 5 11:37:21 2014. Where do you get this info? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Oct 5 17:00:05 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 5 13:35:03 2014. I wish I could see the future as clearly as you. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Oct 5 18:04:57 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by italianstallion on Sun Oct 5 16:58:18 2014. He obviously got it from his fertile imagination, but it sounds reasonable given what else the PANYNJ has done. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Oct 5 18:56:50 2014, in response to Re: PATH Newark Airport extension construction starts in 2018, $1.5 BILLION RFP, posted by AlM on Sun Oct 5 18:04:57 2014. Yes. It's conjecture but it's reasonable conjecture. |
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