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Re: More info on BOMBardier R-179 welding crack prototype cars issue |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 28 16:37:25 2014, in response to More info on BOMBardier R-179 welding crack prototype cars issue, posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 28 13:17:39 2014. One of the reporters mention there is similar issue to CTA 5000 series made by BOMBardier that has cracks. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-01-23/classified/ct-met-getting-around-0123-20120123_1_rail-cars-cta-inspectors-cta-president-forrest-claypool |
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(6 to 12 month delay) More info on BOMBardier R-179 welding crack prototype cars issue |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 28 16:54:52 2014, in response to Re: More info on BOMBardier R-179 welding crack prototype cars issue, posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 28 16:37:25 2014. Original schedule...Awarded: 6/04/2012 Delivery of test train: 12/22/2014 -- delay forecasted Delivery of 1st Production unit: 7/27/2015 Delivery Completion: 1/30/2017 New schedule delivery 6 months or 12 months Delivery of test train: June 2015 or December 2015 Delivery of 1st Production unit: January 2016 or July 2016 Delivery Completion: July 2017 or January 2018 |
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Re: More info on BOMBardier R-179 welding crack prototype cars issue |
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Posted by Jace on Tue Jul 29 10:44:50 2014, in response to Re: More info on BOMBardier R-179 welding crack prototype cars issue, posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 28 16:37:25 2014. Similar only in that the carbuilder is the same and there are cracks in metal. The CTA cracks were in truck part castings made by an outside supplier, the R179 are cracks in welds laid down by Bombardier welders.Personally I think this is the final nail in the coffin of the La Poc plant. They already had a strike there a year or so ago protesting work moving to Mexico, now this (and this is from a plant that is known for their fabrication expertise). |
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Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Jul 29 11:52:55 2014, in response to More info on BOMBardier R-179 welding crack prototype cars issue, posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 28 13:17:39 2014. Riders on the C train, who endure the oldest and most battered subway cars in the entire system, will have to continue to do so for longer than planned.The manufacturer of a new model of subway car that was picked to replace those on the C line has encountered problems with its prototypes. Bombardier discovered cracks in the prototype’s steel undercarriage and walls, Metropolitan Transportation Authority officials said Monday. The MTA had expected all 300 of the new R179 cars to be delivered by January 2017. That date could now be pushed back between six months and 11 months, officials said. The C train’s current R32 cars, built in 1964 and 1965, break down more often than younger cars. http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/mta-encounters-delay-replacing-trains-article-1.1883555 |
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Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Tue Jul 29 11:57:17 2014, in response to Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Jul 29 11:52:55 2014. The R32s don't appear that bettered tome; the R42 does. And does that mean the R32s on the (C) are worse than those on the (A) or (J). Our beloved Daily Snooze doesn't differentiate.jrc |
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Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Tue Jul 29 12:10:43 2014, in response to Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Jul 29 11:52:55 2014. There are already newer cars on the (C) |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Jul 29 12:19:27 2014, in response to Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars, posted by N6 Limited on Tue Jul 29 12:10:43 2014. During summer season only |
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Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars |
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Posted by jayjaytrain on Tue Jul 29 14:39:49 2014, in response to Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Jul 29 11:52:55 2014. I'm starting to think that the R179s are going to be the lemons the R44s were especially after I heard the problem MTA has with the Bombardier built motors and propulsion the R142As have. |
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Re: More info on BOMBardier R-179 welding crack prototype cars issue |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jul 29 14:44:03 2014, in response to Re: More info on BOMBardier R-179 welding crack prototype cars issue, posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 28 16:37:25 2014. Makes you wonder where this crappy steel came from- China, India, or some other free trade Third World rathole! |
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Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Tue Jul 29 15:21:39 2014, in response to Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Jul 29 12:19:27 2014. Why only for the summer? |
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Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Jul 29 15:34:12 2014, in response to Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars, posted by N6 Limited on Tue Jul 29 15:21:39 2014. So the 32s A/C system can get some air.. there A/C systems shut down when it gets too hot which happens often they run on a all underground line. |
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Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 29 18:42:02 2014, in response to Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Jul 29 11:52:55 2014. The R32's recent SMS should have been more intensive and more budgeted. |
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Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 29 18:54:05 2014, in response to Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Jul 29 15:34:12 2014. They should keep the C and J 50/50 year round with R160.R32's would accrue less mileage too. Most on the J would sleep weekends. |
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Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars |
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Posted by VictorM on Tue Jul 29 19:06:28 2014, in response to Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars, posted by jayjaytrain on Tue Jul 29 14:39:49 2014. I thought the R142A's were built by Kawasaki - or did Bombardier supply the motors and propulsion system, while Kawasaki built the rest of the car? |
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Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Jul 29 19:17:02 2014, in response to Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars, posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 29 18:54:05 2014. Then the 160s would be overused. |
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Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 29 19:19:28 2014, in response to Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars, posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 29 18:54:05 2014. If they "should" then why don't they? |
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Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 29 20:03:37 2014, in response to Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Jul 29 19:17:02 2014. As well they should be - they are new. |
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Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 29 20:05:18 2014, in response to Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 29 19:19:28 2014. Centralize R32 maintenance in one placeR32 sensitivity to cold. |
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Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 29 20:09:38 2014, in response to Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars, posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 29 20:05:18 2014. So then why does your arguement contain more merit than theirs? |
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Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 29 20:15:19 2014, in response to Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 29 20:09:38 2014. Advantages outweigh disadvantages.R32 use can more limited on weekends, hence less maintenance a breakdowns.. Patch their signs and run on the M, which is mostly underground on periods when it gets very cold. Swapping them out between ENY and 207th or Pitkin is not that hard. R42's are similar, and ENY maintains those. |
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Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jul 29 20:21:17 2014, in response to Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars, posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 29 20:05:18 2014. What are the issues involving R-32s sensitivity to cold? Just curious. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 29 20:39:47 2014, in response to Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars, posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 29 20:15:19 2014. So then why don't they do what you say? |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 29 20:40:44 2014, in response to Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 29 20:39:47 2014. Why don't you go ask them I am not a mind reader |
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Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 29 20:41:46 2014, in response to Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jul 29 20:21:17 2014. I only said so because others here have said so, assumed it was right. . |
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Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars |
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Posted by jayjaytrain on Tue Jul 29 20:56:50 2014, in response to Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars, posted by VictorM on Tue Jul 29 19:06:28 2014. Bombardier just build the motors and propulsion. Apparently the R179s are supposed to have the same power train. I was hoping they would have went with the Siemens power train. |
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Re: More info on BOMBardier R-179 welding crack prototype cars issue |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Jul 29 23:07:38 2014, in response to More info on BOMBardier R-179 welding crack prototype cars issue, posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jul 28 13:17:39 2014. add to the list...micro cracks on the car end underframes |
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Re: More info on BOMBardier R-179 welding crack prototype cars issue |
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Posted by Ray Jules on Tue Jul 29 23:13:03 2014, in response to Re: More info on BOMBardier R-179 welding crack prototype cars issue, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Jul 29 23:07:38 2014. Where's that info from? I'm interested in reading about this firsthand. |
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Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 29 23:35:16 2014, in response to Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars, posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 29 20:40:44 2014. Huh? You said they "SHOULD" do something. That's pretty strong language. You're not just suggesting it, you're actually stating what should be done. If you're so confident in your conclusion, then surely you're aware of the reasons why they AREN'T currently doing it the way you think it should be done, right??? |
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Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 29 23:39:14 2014, in response to Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars, posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 29 20:41:46 2014. I only said so because others here have said so, assumed it was right. .LOL! Well there's your mistake - you assume something that "others" say here is true! LOL! You don't see how that puts your conclusions about what "should be done" in question? You don't see how that makes your third-hand information seem pretty unreliable? |
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That is great news Gold_12, the R32's staying on the C line longer |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 30 09:40:21 2014, in response to Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Jul 29 11:52:55 2014. Thanks for posting the proff.
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Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 30 10:32:04 2014, in response to Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars, posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 29 20:41:46 2014. Just to correct your misconception then, the R-32s have no sensitivity to cold beyond any other pre-new tech cars. The issues that the R-32s have is with heat. The AC Compressor motors are not built to operate in the environment that they are required to operate in. Motors will heat to over 130 degrees F in the tunnels where there is no cool air while the thermal overloads trip out at 130 degrees F. |
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Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jul 30 10:41:52 2014, in response to Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 30 10:32:04 2014. I could be the guilty party here because, at least 3 years ago when I was switching @ 168, all the R32's were laid up underground under Plan 1.And there were no midnight GO's uptown either. |
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Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars |
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Posted by rockparklocal on Wed Jul 30 11:39:01 2014, in response to Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Jul 29 11:52:55 2014. I think that the C should get the R42 so they don't rust anymore. |
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Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Jul 30 11:50:19 2014, in response to Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 30 10:32:04 2014. Interesting. I wonder if this fact was known during GOH when the A/Cs were installed on the 32s. |
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Re: More info on BOMBardier R-179 welding crack prototype cars issue |
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Posted by jayjaytrain on Wed Jul 30 13:33:51 2014, in response to Re: More info on BOMBardier R-179 welding crack prototype cars issue, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Jul 29 23:07:38 2014. Is Bombardier making these things out of aluminum foil? |
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Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 30 14:54:46 2014, in response to Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Jul 30 11:50:19 2014. The R-32s Underwent the GOH in 1988-1990. So there are at least 4 factors to consider.1) At the time not all B division cars were air conditioned so tunnels were not as hot as they are today. 2) In addition, the R-32s were used on the "E" or "F". On the "E", the run was much shorter and on the "F" was not under ground for the entire trip. 3)Also, the HVAC systems were new and were far more efficient than they are after more than 20 years of service. 4) Many of the original compressor motors have been changed out since GOH. I am not aware whether the original motors had the thermal overloads that the new motors have. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 30 14:56:04 2014, in response to Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jul 30 10:41:52 2014. So you are to blame :) |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Jul 30 15:42:29 2014, in response to Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 30 14:54:46 2014. Thanks, interesting points. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jul 30 15:53:09 2014, in response to Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 30 14:56:04 2014. IND-eed. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 30 19:07:06 2014, in response to Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 29 23:39:14 2014. Do you actually think I am going to do what you say ?Are you that STUPID ? |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 30 19:07:57 2014, in response to Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 30 14:54:46 2014. Did the R38 have these issues ? |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 30 19:10:56 2014, in response to Re: Riders on C train will have to wait longer for new Subway cars, posted by rockparklocal on Wed Jul 30 11:39:01 2014. Problems with conductor 3/5 (or 5/3) positions and mirror positions on platforms not conforming. |
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Re: More info on BOMBardier R-179 welding crack prototype cars issue |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 30 19:22:49 2014, in response to Re: More info on BOMBardier R-179 welding crack prototype cars issue, posted by jayjaytrain on Wed Jul 30 13:33:51 2014. Did CTA have similar problems with the 5K's ? |
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Posted by jayjaytrain on Wed Jul 30 19:52:14 2014, in response to Re: More info on BOMBardier R-179 welding crack prototype cars issue, posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 30 19:22:49 2014. They did. There's a link to an article in the thread which talks about CTA's problems. Not only cracks, but also brake problems, major problems with the wheels, axels and electronic parts. We need Budd company back, St Louis, Pullman or something. Back when trains were made in America, and out of real steel they could actual work. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 30 19:57:47 2014, in response to Re: More info on BOMBardier R-179 welding crack prototype cars issue, posted by jayjaytrain on Wed Jul 30 19:52:14 2014. BBD did a pretty good job with the M-7 and the NJT MLV.The M-7 was derived from the Acela, AMT's MU's ,and the LRC. I don't know what if anything the MLV is derived from. But there is no excuse for the R179 problems. |
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Posted by jayjaytrain on Wed Jul 30 20:16:59 2014, in response to Re: More info on BOMBardier R-179 welding crack prototype cars issue, posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 30 19:57:47 2014. Really? I didn't know much about NJT or LIRR. The Acela had a bunch a problems with it's disk brakes and cracks. Plus the HHP-8s were a complete failure. Nothing will beat a good ole' R32 or AEM-7. Also I support you against you-know-who on the other thread :) |
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Re: More info on BOMBardier R-179 welding crack prototype cars issue |
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Posted by chud1 on Thu Jul 31 04:18:58 2014, in response to Re: More info on BOMBardier R-179 welding crack prototype cars issue, posted by jayjaytrain on Wed Jul 30 19:52:14 2014. IAWTP!chud1. :).... |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Jul 31 10:25:05 2014, in response to Re: More info on BOMBardier R-179 welding crack prototype cars issue, posted by jayjaytrain on Wed Jul 30 19:52:14 2014. R-44 and R-46 might put a crimp in that theory. |
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Posted by jayjaytrain on Thu Jul 31 14:38:26 2014, in response to Re: More info on BOMBardier R-179 welding crack prototype cars issue, posted by chud1 on Thu Jul 31 04:18:58 2014. I feel star struck getting a comment from the one and only chud lol! |
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