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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 20 19:15:40 2014 http://www.njtransit.com/sa/sa_servlet.srv?hdnPageAction=ServiceAdjustmentTo&AdjustmentId=10873CSA is upgrading the signals between Cranford and Union, so they are bustituting the shared segment. Here's what's interesting: Customers at Union Station (and customers arriving at Union by bus) will board a shuttle train that will take them to Newark Penn Station (NPS). This shuttle train will continue to Secaucus and New York. ONLY during the hours of this project (7:30 a.m. to 7:30 p.m.), RVL customers continuing to Secaucus and New York will not need to transfer at Newark. Looks like the ALP-45DP's will finally get to be used for their original purpose. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Apr 20 19:26:55 2014, in response to Interesting service change next weekend on the RVL, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 20 19:15:40 2014. They are mid-day anyway.These weekend trains deadhead back to Newark. They had to get permission from Amtrak to use an extra slot, who normally single-threads the tunnels on weekends. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 20 20:22:20 2014, in response to Interesting service change next weekend on the RVL, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 20 19:15:40 2014. Nice and peachy.Honestly, the NJDOT ought to have spent the Aldene money for a PATH connection to CRRNJ Terminal. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Apr 20 23:04:23 2014, in response to Interesting service change next weekend on the RVL, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 20 19:15:40 2014. "Union Station". In Chicago and D.C., it means a station that served multiple railroads. In New Jersey, it means a station in the town of Union. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 21 05:01:54 2014, in response to Re: Interesting service change next weekend on the RVL, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Apr 20 23:04:23 2014. Not just Chicago and DC, but New Haven, Denver, Dallas, Indianapolis, Toronto, Los Angeles, Portland, St. Louis, New Orleans, Kansas City, San Diego, Cincinnati, Worcester MA, Hartford CT, New London CT, Erie PA, Alexandria VA . . . formerly Seattle, Ogden UT . . . possibly St. Paul next month . . . |
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Re: Interesting service change next weekend on the RVL |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 21 06:27:52 2014, in response to Re: Interesting service change next weekend on the RVL, posted by Joe V on Sun Apr 20 19:26:55 2014. I just noticed that. When did it start? |
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Posted by WillD on Mon Apr 21 09:22:50 2014, in response to Re: Interesting service change next weekend on the RVL, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 20 20:22:20 2014. Yeah, so we could have a useless PATH spur to an abandoned waterfront terminal. You're not so detached from reality to kid yourself into thinking a PATH extension would have kept that hovel open, are you? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 21 10:25:45 2014, in response to Re: Interesting service change next weekend on the RVL, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 21 05:01:54 2014. Bethlehem PA had a Union Station too; served RDG, B&O and LVRR. Used to be an intermediate stop on the B&O's Washington-Boston service. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Apr 21 12:32:49 2014, in response to Re: Interesting service change next weekend on the RVL, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 20 20:22:20 2014. Wouldn't PATH also have to come up with extra capacity on the Manhattan side? Seems like both terminals are more or less occupied. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 21 16:41:47 2014, in response to Re: Interesting service change next weekend on the RVL, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 20 20:22:20 2014. That would not have addressed the forces wanting the Newark Bay Bridge removed. This was the primary reason for the Aldene plan. The CNJ wanting to drop the ferry service from JC was a secondary benefit. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 21 16:43:17 2014, in response to Re: Interesting service change next weekend on the RVL, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 20 20:22:20 2014. What they really should have done was to give Exchange Place terminal over to the CNJ, which was PATH adjacent. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Mon Apr 21 16:45:59 2014, in response to Re: Interesting service change next weekend on the RVL, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 21 06:27:52 2014. The weekday midday service to/from NY Penn on the RVL started on March 3rd. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Mon Apr 21 16:48:07 2014, in response to Re: Interesting service change next weekend on the RVL, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Apr 20 23:04:23 2014. That's why I would only announce "Union" without saying the word "station" when I worked the RVL. And the computerized announcement does the same... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 21 16:53:05 2014, in response to Re: Interesting service change next weekend on the RVL, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Mon Apr 21 16:45:59 2014. I know what I'm doing the next time I'm in NYC. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Mon Apr 21 16:57:19 2014, in response to Re: Interesting service change next weekend on the RVL, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 21 16:53:05 2014. Those trains change from electric to diesel or diesel to electric when making the station stop at Newark Penn. They usually do it so quickly, you don't even notice... |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 21 19:07:37 2014, in response to Re: Interesting service change next weekend on the RVL, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Apr 20 23:04:23 2014. I would have called it "Townley", but the locals wanted it called Union.Whatever, it's the 3rd busiest stop on the RVL. The 7:37am from Raritan lets off about 50 people there, mostly Kean U. students. |
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Posted by Lord Vader on Mon Apr 21 23:52:05 2014, in response to Re: Interesting service change next weekend on the RVL, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 20 20:22:20 2014. Nah, totally useless unless PATH took over the right-of-way and ran direct rail service to Bayonne. That would have made sense and kept passenger rail service in Bayonne. But the Aldene Plan was more in saving $, not very useful rail lines in my opinion.Vader |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 22 02:32:13 2014, in response to Re: Interesting service change next weekend on the RVL, posted by Lord Vader on Mon Apr 21 23:52:05 2014. More wasted money. Hate to think what the PA would have spent on that. And since the Aldene Plan involved some very expensive elevation of the Lehigh Line, it would be more likely that a PATH connection to CRRNJ Terminal would have been cheaper overall, what with the pre-existing infrastructure setup.Of course, if NYC didn't have a bug up its petootie in the 19th century over steam locomotives, the waterfront terminals would instead have been in Manhattan proper. (You know; something along the lines of this idea.) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 22 02:51:56 2014, in response to Re: Interesting service change next weekend on the RVL, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 22 02:32:13 2014. That "south Manhattan" thing would have required some very serious BIG government and high taxes to pay for. :) |
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Posted by Lord Vader on Wed Apr 23 00:01:28 2014, in response to Re: Interesting service change next weekend on the RVL, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 22 02:32:13 2014. Can't argue with that. I think if the H&M was more financially sound, that connection to Communipaw Terminal might have actually happened. I believe there actually was a plan to build a line to Bayonne with a junction just west of the Grove St station. Tunnel portal is there but equipment is placed along the wall. Well, so much for that plan. H&M's only successful extension if I may say was the move from Park Place to Newark-Penn. Port Authority was never interested in rail but in order for the World Trade Center to be built, NJ had to get something in return so bye-bye H&M and HELLOOOOOOO PATH! While your statement has good points, I still believe the PATH in Bayonne would have actually been useful even with a stop at the old CNJ Terminal. Sometimes I still wonder how things would be if Communipaw and Exchange Place terminals still existed today.Vader |
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Re: Interesting service change next weekend on the RVL |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Apr 23 00:50:46 2014, in response to Re: Interesting service change next weekend on the RVL, posted by Lord Vader on Wed Apr 23 00:01:28 2014. Sometimes I still wonder how things would be if Communipaw and Exchange Place terminals still existed todayWell, we'd still have average speeds of 47 mph for Trenton locals, just for starters. |
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