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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 26 17:29:35 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 26 17:10:19 2014.

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I asked The Orion Kid to expand on a statement he made. There is literally nothing there for you to rebut, and I consider the possibility to be highly remote that you have any direct knowledge as to the content of his mind, ergo you have nothing to say in response.

So shut up.

And I'm hardly offended; I actually find this little exchange to be quite hilarious. Broadway Lion might spew bad science to be thwapped back at him like a lazy underhand pitch and Olog makes such little sense that I can justify pulling an amusing schtick without worrying that any real people might consider me unreasonable for failing to address the word salad that passes for his "point," but you offer a unique mixture of confused certainty and unjustified ego that lets me dip into "condescending" without feeling like my wit is wasted on the terminally dumb. And the way you squirm around and try to retroactively change the meaning of statements that have already been made whenever you get stuck in a rhetorical trap is quite delightful indeed.

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by Edwards! on Wed Feb 26 19:18:19 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 26 17:29:35 2014.

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EXCELLENT!
I've been telling him that for years.

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Re: San Diego Coaster Train fiasco

Posted by Ian Lennon on Wed Feb 26 21:46:20 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Edwards! on Wed Feb 26 19:18:19 2014.

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Looks like the Subchat Herpes is flaring up again. I'd say ignore the douche, but that doesn't work.

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First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by Ian Lennon on Wed Feb 26 21:49:58 2014, in response to Re: San Diego Coaster Train fiasco, posted by Ian Lennon on Wed Feb 26 21:46:20 2014.

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Sorry for the accidental subject change.

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Re: San Diego Coaster Train fiasco

Posted by Edwards! on Wed Feb 26 22:12:01 2014, in response to Re: San Diego Coaster Train fiasco, posted by Ian Lennon on Wed Feb 26 21:46:20 2014.

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where have you been,dude?

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by Easy on Wed Feb 26 22:30:17 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Edwards! on Wed Feb 26 19:18:19 2014.

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I think that you mean that your dad has been telling him that for years.

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Re: San Diego Coaster Train fiasco

Posted by Ian Lennon on Wed Feb 26 22:31:24 2014, in response to Re: San Diego Coaster Train fiasco, posted by Edwards! on Wed Feb 26 22:12:01 2014.

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Just lurking in the shadows. I am waiting for a subject other than 76th Street.

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 27 00:24:38 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Nilet on Tue Feb 25 10:15:47 2014.

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I was told once not to take pictures in the Kiev Metro.

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by Nilet on Thu Feb 27 00:32:20 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 27 00:24:38 2014.

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OK, so unnecessary photography restrictions are not limited to the US and North Korea.

I've heard Russia, Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan, Sudan, Zimbabwe, Cameroon, and now Ukraine all named as places where people have been told not to take photos in/of transit systems. However, I have yet to visit any of those countries. Still, though, that's some nice company the US is keeping, freedom-wise.

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 27 00:37:24 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 26 17:19:25 2014.

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The police have the power to eject invitees of the business owner who violate said business's own rules by request of the business.

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by The Orion Kid on Thu Feb 27 01:29:31 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 26 17:19:25 2014.

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The police on PATH WORK for the Port Authority. They are not NYPD, Jersey City PD, NJ Troopers or anyone else, they're the Port Authority Police Department and they're there to do what the Port wants them to.

As for the photo ban being part of some separate rulebook or something, I don't know. I'm pretty sure it's on the same poster as the other rules and the warning that breaking them is an arrestable offense. And even if it is in a separate set of rules, breaking those could have some sort of penalty under the law too, I don't know.

Also I'm not agreeing with the Port's rules or anything like that, matter of fact I'll take pics and vids on PATH myself just not at the trade center. Port and their PD are insane and I'm not in any rush to deal with them, try being held for over 3 hours then accused of terrorism by PAPD detectives just for shooting a video with an iPhone at EWR.

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by Lord Vader on Thu Feb 27 01:51:59 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 26 16:15:01 2014.

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OK, just got my times mixed up then. Either way, I'm just looking out for you and don't want to see anybody get in any un-necessary trouble that's all. Wish all the best.

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by Lord Vader on Thu Feb 27 01:53:56 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 26 13:29:36 2014.

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Yes, I do actually. They happen to be fellow employees both current and retired.

Vader

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 27 02:05:02 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Lord Vader on Thu Feb 27 01:53:56 2014.

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FWIW, while I was working in Jersey, I also got a permit and took some pictures of ye old Newport/Pavonia before the name change several years back after the panic time. Sorry to say, nobody even bothered to bother me and I got what I wanted. I know Harold G FWIW. :)

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by Nilet on Thu Feb 27 08:56:21 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by The Orion Kid on Thu Feb 27 01:29:31 2014.

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For what it's worth, I've never even seen a poster claiming photography is illegal, and I know for certain it isn't since such a law is unconstitutional.

Being held for 3 hours isn't the end of the world, especially considering the inevitable false arrest settlement, and they can accuse me of the Lincoln assassination for all I care; I've been accused of worse in SubChat flame wars.

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by Nilet on Thu Feb 27 08:58:48 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 27 00:37:24 2014.

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And if PATH management is present to ask me to leave, I will do so. After they refund the fare I paid, of course.

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Feb 27 09:05:05 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 26 08:24:36 2014.

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I'd rather find another way to get a million $$ score. Good luck to you- and I mean that. Photo bans in public places are certainly ridiculous and likely unconstitutional.

If you're the guy willing to go through this to prove a point, you have my sincere blessings. I'm not kidding. But it ain't me who's gonna put this to the test.

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by Nilet on Thu Feb 27 09:14:30 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by MainR3664 on Thu Feb 27 09:05:05 2014.

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I'm not looking for a million-dollar score; I'm pointing out that the inevitability of one in response to extreme police misconduct makes such misconduct decidedly unlikely. I doubt they'd do more than ask what I'm doing.

Absolute worst case scenario is I get arrested, I sue and win a $500 settlement and a letter from the Port Authority stating that it was wrong to arrest me because photography is not illegal.

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by Nilet on Thu Feb 27 09:18:04 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 27 00:37:24 2014.

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Not to mention, PATH is a quasi-government agency that doesn't really count as a "business."

If you're public enough to have your own police department, you're public enough to be subject to be subject to the first amendment.

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Feb 27 10:14:35 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 26 16:15:01 2014.

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Just so you know, the PAPD can ABSOLUTELY get NYPD, NYSP, or ANY other police reports. Everythings on computer these days and any PAPD detective can get whatever info they need when determining who gets the permits. Yes, the "civilians" in the PA are the ones you go to for the permits, but I can guarentee you they have a detective doing background checks on the applicants applying for the permits.Just so you know.

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by rkba on Thu Feb 27 10:16:27 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Feb 27 10:14:35 2014.

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All that just to take photos...what a waste of time.

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Feb 27 10:22:55 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by The Silence on Tue Feb 25 09:35:50 2014.

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I see the Asperger's Army still marches on......

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by Nilet on Thu Feb 27 10:35:01 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Feb 27 10:14:35 2014.

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Doesn't change the fact that (a) they can't time travel and look up police memos for things that haven't happened yet and (b) a summons that legally doesn't exist is not basis for denying a photo permit. If they look up police reports, they'll just end up finding the one I filed. (Which, ironically, was tangentially related to photography.)

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by rkba on Thu Feb 27 10:42:20 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Nilet on Thu Feb 27 10:35:01 2014.

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You make yourself quite the lightning rod for trouble.

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 27 12:18:44 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 26 17:29:35 2014.

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Basically, both of you have no idea what you are talking about. I think it is pointless to discuss or debate or delve into situations that aren't real. Why not just get to the facts/truth first and then discuss the implications? In other words, why don't you both figure out and understand the history and context of PATH's photo rule before you start discussing what role the police have in enforcing it?

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 27 12:20:20 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Nilet on Thu Feb 27 09:18:04 2014.

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LOL, no, that's still to be decided.

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 27 12:21:15 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Nilet on Thu Feb 27 08:56:21 2014.

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SMDH

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 27 12:31:01 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 26 17:19:25 2014.

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Unbelievable. The PANYNJ have their own police force! That's who we're talking about!! The PANYNJ Police would be enforcing the PANYNJ Facility Operation Code! LOL!!! So like I already asked, why wouldn't they be able to enforce their code if they can enforce their laws?

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 27 13:05:39 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Lord Vader on Thu Feb 27 01:53:56 2014.

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Well then we should have a chat about that sometime.

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by Nilet on Thu Feb 27 13:19:42 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 27 12:31:01 2014.

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If you'll read back a few posts, you'll notice the discussion was about whether I can be arrested for photography. Photography is not against the law, ergo I can't be.

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by Nilet on Thu Feb 27 13:20:53 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 27 12:21:15 2014.

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Look, just because you're a coward doesn't mean I have to capitulate to unreasonable demands.

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by Nilet on Thu Feb 27 13:22:18 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 27 12:20:20 2014.

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And are you volunteering to stand up and challenge them to claim otherwise? Because I'm pretty sure I just did.

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 27 13:25:49 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Nilet on Thu Feb 27 08:56:21 2014.

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I hope you get arrested. Not because I actually want you to "get what's coming to you" (because nothing is "coming to you"), but because I want there to be a test case for the policy.

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by Nilet on Thu Feb 27 13:27:18 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 27 12:18:44 2014.

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Coming from you, that's pretty rich.

You insisted that Larry implement a filter to remove your name from SubChat posts in order to protect you from the consequences of your immaturity. Then you continued your childish antics until he got sick of it and banned you. Upon your return, you show no sign of having grown up in any way, and have contributed nothing of value to this thread so far.

So I'll say it again: Shut up. Shut up and let the adults get a word in edgewise. I asked a specific question to a specific person about his specific personal experiences; there is literally nothing you could possibly contribute in response. So shut up.

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 27 13:28:03 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Nilet on Thu Feb 27 13:19:42 2014.

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Once again, no, that's not the discussion.

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 27 13:28:47 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Nilet on Thu Feb 27 13:20:53 2014.

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Huh? LOL!

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 27 13:30:21 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Nilet on Thu Feb 27 13:22:18 2014.

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Huh? Didn't I ask you that way at the beginning of this and you just gave some typical asinine response?

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 27 13:33:10 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Nilet on Thu Feb 27 13:27:18 2014.

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I did what? He did what? LOL! Those are some pretty strong accusations there! Care to back them up? Or maybe make a wager over them? Time to put up or shut up.

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by Nilet on Thu Feb 27 13:40:01 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 27 13:30:21 2014.

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Um, no you didn't. First you claimed I could be arrested for photography. Then you conceded I couldn't, declared that I could be asked not to take pictures and tried to pretend you'd never said otherwise, then you claimed the Port Authority is an entirely private entity despite evidence to the contrary, and now you're trying to squirm out of the rhetorical trap you've found yourself caught in by trying to deny and lie about what's previously been said, which, as I've noted before, doesn't actually work in a written conversation.

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by Nilet on Thu Feb 27 13:43:36 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 27 13:28:03 2014.

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As I've noted repeatedly, trying to lie about what people have said previously doesn't actually work in written conversation, because anyone can look back and trivially verify how this discussion started.

Although watching you tell ridiculous lies to escape the inexorable fact that you have been rhetorically pwned is kind of cute in a kid-caught-stealing-from-cookie-jar kind of way.

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by Nilet on Thu Feb 27 13:44:37 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 27 13:28:47 2014.

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There's the "LOL" again! You really are 12 years old, aren't you? What's this, you managed to get on the classroom computer during recess?

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by Nilet on Thu Feb 27 13:58:19 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 27 13:33:10 2014.

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OK, I'll bet you a seven-day hiatus from SubChat that I can link to a thread about the filter you had Larry implement.

And if the filter is still active, you have to spend two weeks away from SubChat.

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 27 16:44:21 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by rkba on Thu Feb 27 10:42:20 2014.

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I find that ironic. He spots governmental misbehavior and DOES something about it and I suppose he shouldn't?

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by rkba on Thu Feb 27 17:35:15 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 27 16:44:21 2014.

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Attitude is everything. Judging by the way he behaves here, he's a pompous ass.

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Feb 27 17:39:10 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by chuchubob on Tue Feb 25 14:45:46 2014.

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I wonder what it would be like to take pictures here?
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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 27 17:55:01 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by rkba on Thu Feb 27 17:35:15 2014.

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It's a requirement here, yaknow.

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by Lord Vader on Fri Feb 28 06:55:46 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 27 02:05:02 2014.

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Ditto!

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by Lord Vader on Fri Feb 28 06:57:15 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 27 13:05:39 2014.

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No problem!

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 28 09:07:45 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Nilet on Thu Feb 27 13:58:19 2014.

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No, we'll ask Larry about each of your three exact claims and whoever is wrong has to leave this website forever.

1. That I asked for an auto filter.
2. That I was banned.
3. That I was unbanned.

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Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 28 09:12:37 2014, in response to Re: First platform to open for new World Trade Center PATH station, posted by Nilet on Thu Feb 27 13:40:01 2014.

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Why would I claim you can be arrested for photography? Why would I claim the PANYNJ is an entirely private entity? That makes no sense. You must have misunderstood. You need to learn that if someone knowledgable says something factually stupid, then you must be misunderstanding him.

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