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Bombardier bigshot: Israel should electrify all of its railroads ASAP

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 29 16:18:04 2013

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Uh-huh. How come the only part of Canada's general railway network that is electrified is the AMT commuter rail out of Gare Centrale?

Jerusalem Post

‘Israel should electrify train system as soon as possible’

By Sharon Udasin
06/21/2013 03:02

Senior executive from Canadian rail giant tells 'The Jerusalem Post' that trains can save more energy than any other vehicle.

To make the country’s trains as efficient and environmentally friendly as possible, Israel should take swift steps to electrify its 420 kilometers of railway track, a senior executive from a Canadian rail giant told The Jerusalem Post on Thursday.

“We are supporting the investment and deployment of electrification,” said Laurent Troger, president for Rolling Stock Atlantic Services at Bombardier.

“It would provide a significant opportunity to enhance the transportation.”

Troger spoke with the Post following his address on Thursday at the International Transportation Conference at the Kfar Maccabiah convention center in Ramat Gan, sponsored by the Morag Group and the Transportation Ministry, in partnership with the Prime Minister’s Office.

Because trains can save more energy than any other vehicle and provide citizens a sustainable transportation solution, Troger recommended that Israel continue investing in its rail sector. A crucial component in these investments will be the electrification of the Israel Railways network, to bring the train infrastructure up to Western standards and employ advanced operating systems, he explained.

All over the world, “the climate is right for trains,” Troger said in his conference presentation.

Troger described how railways provide very little contribution to overall pollution, accounting for only about 0.6 percent of carbon dioxide emission caused by transportation in the European Union, whereas road traffic accounts for about 70.7 percent.

Looking at traffic volume, Troger said that in an urban environment, a metro rail can carry up to 50,000 people per hour and a light rail up to 22,000 people per hour, whereas cars and buses can only carry 2,100 and 9,000 people per hour, respectively.

Trains and trams, Troger explained, can be used to help cities facing a diverse range of challenges, including urbanization, population growth, pollution, congestion and real estate value and availability.

Once the government moves forward with longstanding plans to electrify its tracks and releases a tender for electric trains, Troger said that Bombardier hopes to offer a competitive prospect. Bombardier is already responsible for the red double-decker coaches that are used in most Israel Railway routes.

The railway would not necessarily need to replace its coaches, and instead, could simply replace the locomotives with fully electric or hybrid diesel-electric versions that can be integrated with existing coaches, Troger explained.

“That’s a very fast and cost-efficient solution for Israel Railways to move to an electric solution,” he said.

Despite environmental objections over potentially unsightly and radiation-emitting high-voltage electricity lines required for such electrification, Troger stressed that this is a stable and very secure transportation solution that is employed all over Western Europe particularly, as well as the rest of the world.

“This type of solution is very well known,” he said. “It is a very proven solution.”


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Re: RPM Bigmouth: EVERYBODY should electrify all of its railroads ASAP

Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Jun 29 16:53:18 2013, in response to Bombardier bigshot: Israel should electrify all of its railroads ASAP, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 29 16:18:04 2013.

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8-)

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Re: RPM Bigmouth: EVERYBODY should electrify all of its railroads ASAP

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 29 16:54:46 2013, in response to Re: RPM Bigmouth: EVERYBODY should electrify all of its railroads ASAP, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Jun 29 16:53:18 2013.

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Apparently he has issues with free enterprise doing a sales call to drum up business. His whole anti-communist thing is a front. :)

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Re: RPM Bigmouth: EVERYBODY should electrify all of its railroads ASAP

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 29 16:56:24 2013, in response to Re: RPM Bigmouth: EVERYBODY should electrify all of its railroads ASAP, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Jun 29 16:53:18 2013.

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Nice wish list thingy, but just like in the old days, it costs just as much to electrify as to build the whole RR new.

BTW, would you support converting Metro-North and LIRR from third rail to overhead wire, to this end?

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Re: RPM Bigmouth: EVERYBODY should electrify all of its railroads ASAP

Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Jun 29 16:57:25 2013, in response to Re: RPM Bigmouth: EVERYBODY should electrify all of its railroads ASAP, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 29 16:54:46 2013.

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Re: RPM Bigmouth: EVERYBODY should electrify all of its railroads ASAP

Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Jun 29 16:59:40 2013, in response to Re: RPM Bigmouth: EVERYBODY should electrify all of its railroads ASAP, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 29 16:56:24 2013.

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As part of an overall conversion of the general rail system of transportation, yes.

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Re: Bombardier bigshot: Israel should electrify all of its railroads ASAP

Posted by AlM on Sat Jun 29 17:27:25 2013, in response to Bombardier bigshot: Israel should electrify all of its railroads ASAP, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 29 16:18:04 2013.

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Uh-huh. How come the only part of Canada's general railway network that is electrified is the AMT commuter rail out of Gare Centrale?

Compare the density of Canada and Israel.





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Re: Bombardier bigshot: Israel should electrify all of its railroads ASAP

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 29 17:51:01 2013, in response to Re: Bombardier bigshot: Israel should electrify all of its railroads ASAP, posted by AlM on Sat Jun 29 17:27:25 2013.

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Not relevant. Compare the (population) density of northern Sweden and Canada, if you're going to go there.

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Re: Bombardier bigshot: Israel should electrify all of its railroads ASAP

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 29 17:54:43 2013, in response to Re: RPM Bigmouth: EVERYBODY should electrify all of its railroads ASAP, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 29 16:54:46 2013.

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You getting "free enterprise" and fascism mixed up again? Israel Railways is a state-owned company.

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Re: Bombardier bigshot: Israel should electrify all of its railroads ASAP

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 29 18:01:23 2013, in response to Re: Bombardier bigshot: Israel should electrify all of its railroads ASAP, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 29 17:54:43 2013.

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So you're calling Israel a communist state then?

I'm baffled. :)

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Re: Bombardier bigshot: Israel should electrify all of its railroads ASAP

Posted by AlM on Sat Jun 29 19:19:08 2013, in response to Re: Bombardier bigshot: Israel should electrify all of its railroads ASAP, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 29 17:51:01 2013.

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Even if northern Sweden has electric trains and is less dense than Canada, density is still relevant. I agree density isn't the ONLY criterion for choosing electrification.



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Re: Bombardier bigshot: Israel should electrify all of its railroads ASAP

Posted by geoffc on Sun Jun 30 10:28:12 2013, in response to Re: Bombardier bigshot: Israel should electrify all of its railroads ASAP, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 29 18:01:23 2013.

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Very socialist tendencies.

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Re: Bombardier bigshot: Israel should electrify all of its railroads ASAP

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 30 14:00:27 2013, in response to Re: Bombardier bigshot: Israel should electrify all of its railroads ASAP, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 29 18:01:23 2013.

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Yeah, I know you're baffled. But when you have proud apparatchiks like WMATAGBOLAKRIGJJELDKKAKJJDJFF on here, is it really a surprise?

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Re: Bombardier bigshot: Israel should electrify all of its railroads ASAP

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 30 14:02:08 2013, in response to Re: Bombardier bigshot: Israel should electrify all of its railroads ASAP, posted by geoffc on Sun Jun 30 10:28:12 2013.

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Down to the Weimar-style government too.

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Re: Bombardier bigshot: Israel should electrify all of its railroads ASAP

Posted by geoffc on Sun Jun 30 16:22:16 2013, in response to Re: Bombardier bigshot: Israel should electrify all of its railroads ASAP, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 30 14:02:08 2013.

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Nah, just socialist tendencies.

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Re: Bombardier bigshot: Israel should electrify all of its railroads ASAP

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 30 18:05:38 2013, in response to Re: Bombardier bigshot: Israel should electrify all of its railroads ASAP, posted by geoffc on Sun Jun 30 16:22:16 2013.

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Very strong tendencies of that manner.

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Re: Bombardier bigshot: Israel should electrify all of its railroads ASAP

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 30 20:07:39 2013, in response to Re: Bombardier bigshot: Israel should electrify all of its railroads ASAP, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 30 14:00:27 2013.

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LOL!

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Re: Bombardier bigshot: Israel should electrify all of its railroads ASAP

Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Jul 1 09:29:59 2013, in response to Re: Bombardier bigshot: Israel should electrify all of its railroads ASAP, posted by AlM on Sat Jun 29 19:19:08 2013.

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I agree density isn't the ONLY criterion for choosing electrification.

Yep. Think Trans-Siberian.

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Re: Bombardier bigshot: Israel should electrify all of its railroads ASAP

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 1 09:53:10 2013, in response to Re: Bombardier bigshot: Israel should electrify all of its railroads ASAP, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Jul 1 09:29:59 2013.

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That was not really done for economic reasons.

And if you want to really make the TransSib more economically viable, try converting it from 4' 1156" gauge to 4' 8˝" gauge. (Why not? The USSR forced a gauge change from 5' even to that newer broad gauge in the 60s.)

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