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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jun 17 18:54:41 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by CJ on Sat Jun 15 14:30:39 2013. Denver's LRVs have cloth upholstered seats and they've held up well. Vandalism is less of a problem out here, it seems. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jun 17 18:56:16 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 17 01:21:37 2013. Did their doors give you any grief? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jun 17 18:58:51 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 17 10:28:40 2013. I rode on an R-16 Moe in October of 1986 along the Nassau portion, probably from Canal to Essex. I remember lloking at those slanted door pockets and thought, that's funny, I don't remember that. Mind you, the only other time I ever rode on them was in 1967. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 17 19:20:54 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jun 17 18:56:16 2013. Remarkably, not that I remember. The handles though were a problem. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jun 17 19:38:14 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Jun 17 09:14:32 2013. Don't go ape over it! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 17 19:41:49 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jun 17 18:58:51 2013. October or late September of 1986 is definitely when the R-16's came to the M line. I remember because it coincided with other things going on in my life at the time.Before late 1986, I have no clue when a 16 last wandered onto the M line. |
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Posted by CJ on Mon Jun 17 19:50:03 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jun 17 18:54:41 2013. That's good to hear. |
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Posted by Karl B on Mon Jun 17 23:05:45 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jun 17 18:53:38 2013. I left the city in Aug 1957 but the love affair with the R-16's was still going on with the Jamaica travelers at that time.The silly thing was that it seemed to be the lighting and the red cushioned seats. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jun 17 23:44:22 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 17 01:25:19 2013. The craftsmanship is remarkable. If I didn't know better I would have thought that feature was from the factory. At least from the sight of it. I never rode those those cars so I am in no way familiar with how well the work functioned but the look is 'sano' as they say in the car world. |
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Posted by 5119 on Tue Jun 18 11:14:59 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jun 17 18:43:53 2013. Thanks for the info. |
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Posted by John from Glendale on Tue Jun 18 12:07:36 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 17 02:25:31 2013. Hated 'em. We never knew if we would make it over the bridge. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 18 18:16:04 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by John from Glendale on Tue Jun 18 12:07:36 2013. You were a T/O back then?Wonder if I ever met you? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jun 18 18:23:26 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 18 18:16:04 2013. We were called "motormen" back then. They issued us tools instead of radios. :) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jun 18 23:48:01 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by Karl B on Mon Jun 17 23:05:45 2013. I wonder if anyone noticed the green backlit side destination signs... |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jun 18 23:49:47 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by CJ on Mon Jun 17 19:50:03 2013. No graffiti, either - although the wraparound advertising leaves a lot to be desired. The three cars that were dressed up for the ceremonial first run on the W line are now scattered, still wearing the W line opening garb. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jun 18 23:52:18 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by 5119 on Tue Jun 18 11:14:59 2013. IMHO just as the R-10s were tailor-made for the Abbott, the R-16s were tailor-made for the Three Stooges Division. Who knows? If they had spent their entire careers out there, they might have lasted longer and held up better. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jun 18 23:54:00 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 17 19:20:54 2013. Did they not stay put? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jun 18 23:54:32 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by John from Glendale on Tue Jun 18 12:07:36 2013. Everybody out and push!:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jun 18 23:54:58 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jun 18 18:23:26 2013. And real conductors worked outside, right?:) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jun 18 23:55:54 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jun 18 23:54:00 2013. They had a tendency to snap back to the wrong position until you got the key to make the decision of the judges final. :)Only happened once, rarely saw R-16's other than on that QB. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jun 18 23:57:04 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jun 18 23:54:58 2013. Amen, hallelujah brother! :) |
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Posted by John from Glendale on Wed Jun 19 11:09:34 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 18 18:16:04 2013. Promoted to Motors January 1984. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 19 11:46:45 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by John from Glendale on Wed Jun 19 11:09:34 2013. And still on the job. Right? |
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Posted by John from Glendale on Wed Jun 19 12:56:39 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jun 18 23:54:58 2013. Caps and triggers... |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jun 19 13:44:43 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jun 18 23:52:18 2013. Although the R-16s first home was the BMT Eastern, they probably as much as the R-10s were also tailor made for the A Line. I suspect that if there had been as many R-16s ordered as R-10s, that the R-16s would have replaced the R-10s on the A. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jun 19 13:46:44 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by John from Glendale on Wed Jun 19 12:56:39 2013. Not all C/Rs worked outside the cars. C/Rs on the BMT subway worked inside until the D types came along and went back inside on the Multis. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jun 19 13:56:46 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by randyo on Wed Jun 19 13:44:43 2013. there is truth in what you say..the R10 were to be split between the BMT EAST and 8th ave line services..but that never happened..only during the 50's did the east get 50 R10 cars..while the A received 50 R16.. The swap lasted only a few years..as the 16 were proven to be not as reliable as the thunderous workhorses. personally..i never liked the 16s much..even as a kid. was happy as heck to see them gone from the QJ..pissed as hell to see em come back to the east on the LL. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jun 19 14:21:05 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jun 19 13:56:46 2013. I liked the R-16s until I had to work on them. My opinion of them declined greatly especially when I became a M/M |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 19 14:45:50 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by randyo on Wed Jun 19 13:46:44 2013. Yeah, but real conductors got wet. :) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 19 16:08:49 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by randyo on Wed Jun 19 13:44:43 2013. Wouldn't it have made sense to send them to the Concourse or Jamaica yards? The R10's already covered the entire A line, even after the Rockaway line opened. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jun 19 17:21:00 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 19 16:08:49 2013. I suspect the TA would have wanted to keep the newest cars on the A Line since it was pretty much the NYCTS's showcase line. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jun 19 17:21:16 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 19 16:08:49 2013. I suspect the TA would have wanted to keep the newest cars on the A Line since it was pretty much the NYCTS's showcase line. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 19 17:28:00 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by randyo on Wed Jun 19 17:21:16 2013. In 1955 I bet the MTA would have wanted to show off it's new Coney Island route by putting the R16's on the D. If there wasn't such a BMT car shortage, I bet that's where they would have went, even if 200 cars couldn't cover the entire line's needs. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jun 19 18:53:47 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 19 17:28:00 2013. If that were truly the case, then the newest cars on the IND in 1954 when the D went to CI, the R-10s would have been transferred to the D since there were certainly enough of them to fully equip that line. |
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Posted by 5119 on Wed Jun 19 21:20:06 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jun 19 13:56:46 2013. I heard the R-16's weren't as fast as the R -10's. This could've had a negative impact on service. |
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Posted by CJ on Wed Jun 19 21:27:39 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by 5119 on Wed Jun 19 21:20:06 2013. Mechanically the R16s were similar to the R10s minus the door engines, which were electric. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jun 19 22:31:03 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by CJ on Wed Jun 19 21:27:39 2013. oh yeah..but the crazy part is why did operate so crappy compared to the best cars ever built until the R32s? |
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Posted by John from Glendale on Thu Jun 20 13:15:54 2013, in response to Re: June 15, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 19 11:46:45 2013. Yep. |
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