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(UK) Train operators cause more than a third of rail delays
Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Jun 18 12:18:08 2013 edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Statistics produced by the industry regulator have shown that 39 per cent of delays were caused by train operators themselves. In all train companies were responsible for 28 per cent of delays to their own services with a further 11 per cent being the fault of other operators. Nearly 188,000 trains – 2.6 per cent of the total – were more than half an hour late or cancelled completely. According to the Labour Force Survey, produced by the Government statistical service, ONS, there were 238,292 days of train and driver sickness last year. One company, C2C, operating services from London to Essex was responsible for 40 per cent of the delays – measured in delay minutes – it faced. A spokesman for the company, which otherwise has the best punctuality record in the industry said: “More than 80% of our delays are caused by issues with the train or third-party factors, such as passengers being taken ill.” Chiltern, another company with an above average punctuality record, was nevertheless responsible for 40 per cent of the its own delays. According to a company spokesman the difficulties were due to two separate incidents with a locomotive. First Capital Connect, which runs commuter services through into London from the north and south and held responsible for 23 per cent of its delays, said many of the problems were due to drivers, using other operators, arriving late to work because of problems. Southern, which links London with the Sussex coast and was responsible for 35 per cent of its own delays, blamed a train failure and two incidents of passengers falling ill for the disruption it faced. Commuter services are deemed as running late if they fail to arrive within five minutes of schedule, longer distance services are given 10 minutes leeway. But even these figures fail to tell the true picture with many services being deemed to have arrived when they pass the last signal before entering the station. Train operators have been swift to complain about delays they face because of Network Rail, but the figures show that their performance also has room for improvement. Maria Eagle, Shadow Transport Secretary, seized on the figures. "The train operators are very good at telling Network Rail to raise its game and are right to do so, but they must also recognise their own failings. “These companies made Ł305 million from running rail services last year, at a time of inflation-busting fare rises. It's clear they should be increasing their investment in the services they run and cracking down harder on poor performance.” But a spokesman for he Association of Train Operating Companies (ATOC) defended the industry. “Latest figures show nine out of 10 trains arrived as planned. Delays caused by train companies have almost halved in the last decade.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transport/9734635/Train-operators-cause-more-than-a-third-of-rail-delays.html
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Re: (UK) Train operators cause more than a third of rail delays
Posted by WillD* on Tue Jun 18 20:50:57 2013, in response to (UK) Train operators cause more than a third of rail delays, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Jun 18 12:18:08 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d This begs the question why some fools believe we should emulate the UK's disaster over here.
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Re: (UK) Train operators cause more than a third of rail delays
Posted by xtimx* on Wed Jun 19 01:49:57 2013, in response to Re: (UK) Train operators cause more than a third of rail delays, posted by WillD on Tue Jun 18 20:50:57 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Amen
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Re: (UK) Train operators cause more than a third of rail delays
Posted by orange blossom special* on Wed Jun 19 16:53:59 2013, in response to Re: (UK) Train operators cause more than a third of rail delays, posted by WillD on Tue Jun 18 20:50:57 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d 90% on time performance is a disaster?
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Re: (UK) Train operators cause more than a third of rail delays
Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 19 17:00:23 2013, in response to Re: (UK) Train operators cause more than a third of rail delays, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jun 19 16:53:59 2013. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Yeah, some countries take quality of service by the private sector seriously. Over here, they can do whatever they want after making you bend over and say "ah" ...
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Re: (UK) Train operators cause more than a third of rail delays
Posted by xtimx* on Wed Jun 19 23:16:45 2013, in response to Re: (UK) Train operators cause more than a third of rail delays, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jun 19 16:53:59 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d This is where you play dumb and pretend you don't know about how the privatization cost the government tons of money etc etc.
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Re: (UK) Train operators cause more than a third of rail delays
Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Wed Jun 19 23:29:54 2013, in response to Re: (UK) Train operators cause more than a third of rail delays, posted by xtimx on Wed Jun 19 23:16:45 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Conservative governments only think about the price tag when they sell it. Kinda like the prisons upstate here. Fixed cost becomes much higher recurring cost, plus interest. But they got a windfall ... once. :-\
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Re: (UK) Train operators cause more than a third of rail delays
Posted by Olog-hai* on Thu Jun 20 00:28:12 2013, in response to Re: (UK) Train operators cause more than a third of rail delays, posted by xtimx on Wed Jun 19 23:16:45 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d It only cost the government tons of money because: The government didn't really privatize properly, staying involved (franchising, creating new government offices, ad nauseam) and they re-nationalized the track at a ridiculous cost, and they didn't deregulate, primarily by being stupid enough to join the European Union and have an external power run their country, but also because their privatization bid added regulation too.
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Re: (UK) Train operators cause more than a third of rail delays
Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Thu Jun 20 00:32:24 2013, in response to Re: (UK) Train operators cause more than a third of rail delays, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 20 00:28:12 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Are you aware of how many trainwrecks they had whilst in private hands? Nah ... just pass that propaganda. :(
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Re: (UK) Train operators cause more than a third of rail delays
Posted by davesgcr* on Thu Jun 20 17:08:12 2013, in response to Re: (UK) Train operators cause more than a third of rail delays, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 19 23:29:54 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Windfall once - then recurring operating costs etc etc.... If you have a "contract" - first thing you do is see what you have to do - and what you can get away with to maximise shareholder value. Don't get me wrong -in the past may loosely regulated operators did more than was necessary - but you feel sometimes in the Uk rail area that the balance is just a bit wrong with the system put in A large essay here which is too much at 1000pm on a hot evening.
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Re: (UK) Train operators cause more than a third of rail delays
Posted by Olog-hai* on Thu Jun 20 17:09:53 2013, in response to Re: (UK) Train operators cause more than a third of rail delays, posted by davesgcr on Thu Jun 20 17:08:12 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d They created all sorts of new agencies to regulate the privatization. There was also Railtrack, which was essentially British Rail anyway.
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Re: (UK) Train operators cause more than a third of rail delays
Posted by xtimx* on Thu Jun 20 19:29:53 2013, in response to Re: (UK) Train operators cause more than a third of rail delays, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jun 20 00:32:24 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Will the 2 of you morons go suck Rush Limbaughs cock and stop with your horseshit on this board?
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Re: (UK) Train operators cause more than a third of rail delays
Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Thu Jun 20 19:38:38 2013, in response to Re: (UK) Train operators cause more than a third of rail delays, posted by davesgcr on Thu Jun 20 17:08:12 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Yep ... I've read quite a bit about the mess that came of it all, although I was more observing how that degree of divestiture would be likely to play out over here. I'd see it being even worse amongst our own.
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Re: (UK) Train operators cause more than a third of rail delays
Posted by davesgcr* on Fri Jun 21 15:10:13 2013, in response to Re: (UK) Train operators cause more than a third of rail delays, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 20 17:09:53 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Railtrack was anything but British Rail - it was set up for no growth and neglected the assets (few renewals to maximise share yield) - a very long story which ended up with administration and some severe accidents. It basically lost control through getting rid of old school BR engineers and a command and control structure , relying on a myriad of contractors and bureaucracy. Critically it lost sight of asset condition. Much like the failed PPP on the London Underground. Network Rail does a very much better job - most of the workforce is now directly employed , - but the costs of the UK railway are about 30% more than Europe. However, the condition of the network is such now that one need not lose sleep over it. NR has done many / much good work.
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Re: (UK) Train operators cause more than a third of rail delays
Posted by Train Dude* on Fri Jun 21 16:05:46 2013, in response to (UK) Train operators cause more than a third of rail delays, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Jun 18 12:18:08 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I wonder how many of their operators have "float valve" issues.
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Re: (UK) Train operators cause more than a third of rail delays
Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Fri Jun 21 16:30:37 2013, in response to Re: (UK) Train operators cause more than a third of rail delays, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 21 16:05:46 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d None ... it's a "siphonic cistern." You should have consulted the manual before inserting that rubber.
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