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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jun 18 15:36:09 2013, in response to Anyone have info about this 1952 crash on the Jerome av line?, posted by seabeachexpress on Tue Jun 18 15:20:08 2013. Oct 22nd, 1952. A motorman crashed his empty 10 car train into another train layed up near Moshalu Pkwy. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jun 18 15:37:33 2013, in response to Re: Anyone have info about this 1952 crash on the Jerome av line?, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jun 18 15:36:09 2013. Mosholu Parkway. Sorry! |
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Posted by andy on Tue Jun 18 16:48:53 2013, in response to Anyone have info about this 1952 crash on the Jerome av line?, posted by seabeachexpress on Tue Jun 18 15:20:08 2013. According to the NY Times of Oct 24, 1952, an empty train on the middle track collided full force with a another empty train that was stopped on the middle track. The motorman of the first train was killed, as he absorbed all of the initial impact. He was the cause of the accident because he was proceeding at full speed despite signals against him. He had passed yellow and red signals.Article also said that the middle track did not have tripper arms at the signals since it was never used for revenue train moves. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Jun 18 16:56:29 2013, in response to Re: Anyone have info about this 1952 crash on the Jerome av line?, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jun 18 15:36:09 2013. Apparently a successful suicide.wayne |
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Posted by chud1 on Tue Jun 18 17:10:17 2013, in response to Re: Anyone have info about this 1952 crash on the Jerome av line?, posted by andy on Tue Jun 18 16:48:53 2013. i bet after that accident, they put in tripper arms for north and soutbound on da express tracks.chud1. |
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Posted by Asgard on Tue Jun 18 18:15:01 2013, in response to Re: Anyone have info about this 1952 crash on the Jerome av line?, posted by chud1 on Tue Jun 18 17:10:17 2013. Around 1970, or maybe a little later, I rode trains in revenue service on the middle track, including beyond the "End of signal control" sign, which I think was below Burnside. |
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Posted by seabeachexpress on Tue Jun 18 18:16:12 2013, in response to Re: Anyone have info about this 1952 crash on the Jerome av line?, posted by andy on Tue Jun 18 16:48:53 2013. I remember riding low v's up there in the early 60's and seeing semaphores near the interlocking for concourse yard. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Jun 18 23:04:34 2013, in response to Re: Anyone have info about this 1952 crash on the Jerome av line?, posted by Asgard on Tue Jun 18 18:15:01 2013. IIRC, the middle track on the Dyre Ave line doesn't have signals either, still to this day.Not too long ago there was a G.O where the (5) trains was using that middle track. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Jun 19 01:43:35 2013, in response to Re: Anyone have info about this 1952 crash on the Jerome av line?, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Jun 18 23:04:34 2013. Correct. No signals on Track Y3, other than protecting the switches on either end. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Jun 19 06:38:12 2013, in response to Re: Anyone have info about this 1952 crash on the Jerome av line?, posted by chud1 on Tue Jun 18 17:10:17 2013. Yes, one would think so... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Jun 19 06:40:46 2013, in response to Re: Anyone have info about this 1952 crash on the Jerome av line?, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Jun 19 01:43:35 2013. So, I would imagine that in case of a GO with revenue trains on the track, there's a manual procedure to keep no more than 1 train at a time on the tracks?Also, do T/Os who operate such trains need any additional training (no pun intended!)? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jun 19 11:07:48 2013, in response to Anyone have info about this 1952 crash on the Jerome av line?, posted by seabeachexpress on Tue Jun 18 15:20:08 2013. Makes you wonder that when they built the dual contract els, they did'nt install signaling on the middle track on many of the lines in the first place.Was'nt the purpose of the midddle track for future express service or for runaround moves in the event of a breakdown?? I remember when the experemented with an Astoria (W) express from Ditmars to QBP about 10 years ago. Did they have signals on that middle track then?? I recall seeing pictures of Standards & Triplexes laid up there, but don't remember seeing signals |
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Posted by j trainloco on Wed Jun 19 12:32:41 2013, in response to Re: Anyone have info about this 1952 crash on the Jerome av line?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jun 19 11:07:48 2013. Astoria is signalled. So is Jerome (which is a fairly recent installation). That was why they tested the Jerome expresses. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jun 19 12:48:48 2013, in response to Re: Anyone have info about this 1952 crash on the Jerome av line?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jun 19 11:07:48 2013. I believe that the center track over Jerome was built to lay up 6th/9th ave el and Lex Ave subway cars. Plus, Burnside Ave is the only express station on the line. It was used mainly to terminate el trains. If they really wanted express service over Jerome, they would have made 167th St/River Ave an express stop and signalled the center track right up to the end. After all, it was the first stop northbound where the elevated and subway lines joined together. |
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