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Re: S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu May 23 15:14:26 2013, in response to S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by Gold_12th on Thu May 23 15:09:15 2013. She's a dope and noodnick! Height is obvious age is not. When you ride for free, you are supposed (if necessary) to sit on your parent's lap.If the child takes up the space of a full sized person, they get to pay the full-sized prayer. ROAR |
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Posted by randyo on Thu May 23 15:55:42 2013, in response to Re: S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu May 23 15:14:26 2013. At one time age was the criterion for determining who pays but it was changed some time ago. The problem with using height is that a child as old as 8 or 9 may be short enough to qualify for a free ride. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 16:08:36 2013, in response to Re: S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by randyo on Thu May 23 15:55:42 2013. A person with dwarfism may never be tall enough to ride. Does that mean they get to ride free their whole life or only when accompanied by someone taller who pays? |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu May 23 16:19:11 2013, in response to S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by Gold_12th on Thu May 23 15:09:15 2013. She may see ti as a discrimination issue: i.e., Scandinavians tend to be taller then Latinos. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu May 23 16:21:08 2013, in response to Re: S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 16:08:36 2013. That would appear to be the case based on the MTA's height policy which is why I think the MTA should return to age as a criterion. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu May 23 16:21:31 2013, in response to Re: S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 16:08:36 2013. That would appear to be the case based on the MTA's height policy which is why I think the MTA should return to age as a criterion. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 23 16:29:57 2013, in response to Re: S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by randyo on Thu May 23 16:21:31 2013. So they can lose more money, like they always cry about? How is age going to be verified, I wonder. |
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Posted by chud1 on Thu May 23 17:27:29 2013, in response to Re: S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 23 16:29:57 2013. birth certificate to prove age.chud1 |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 17:43:31 2013, in response to Re: S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by chud1 on Thu May 23 17:27:29 2013. Birth certificates are not the sort of thing that people tend to carry with them. Nor should they. And in any event, birth certificates lack photos. You can carry around anyone's birth certificate and claim it as your own. |
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Posted by FWT9000 on Thu May 23 18:06:02 2013, in response to S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by Gold_12th on Thu May 23 15:09:15 2013. Height is discriminatory and unfair. Why should a family with a tall 5 year old kid have to pay extra while another family whose kid is shorter gets a free ride? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 23 18:18:53 2013, in response to S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by Gold_12th on Thu May 23 15:09:15 2013. As I recall, the original basis of that had to do with the height of the turnstile arms. |
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Posted by NorthShore on Thu May 23 20:14:56 2013, in response to S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by Gold_12th on Thu May 23 15:09:15 2013. Metrocards for children under 5 like Metrocards for seniors over 65 would work. Problem Solved! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 23 20:27:52 2013, in response to Re: S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by chud1 on Thu May 23 17:27:29 2013. Sure; like everyone has time to carry that around with them, especially children. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri May 24 00:23:17 2013, in response to S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by Gold_12th on Thu May 23 15:09:15 2013. so just raise the height restrictions... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 24 01:09:31 2013, in response to S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by Gold_12th on Thu May 23 15:09:15 2013. I remember when I was a kid and kids under 6 rode for free. I was instructed to tell any inquisitive bus driver that I was 5 as late as 9 years old. Then I hit a growth spurt which made any pretense at lying pointless. |
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Posted by chud1 on Fri May 24 04:44:55 2013, in response to Re: S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 17:43:31 2013. well than u can carry a non-driver id with a photo here in nys.chud1 |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri May 24 06:51:11 2013, in response to Re: S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by randyo on Thu May 23 15:55:42 2013. The people don't pay for there kids even if there kids are taller then 44' anyway, so what the big dame deal. I seen kids 10, 11, 12 still go under the turn stile or walk pass the B/O with out paying. There is also a rule that say only 2 free kids per full fare, I seen 3,4,5 even 8 kids go under with only one full fare paid. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri May 24 07:00:55 2013, in response to Re: S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri May 24 06:51:11 2013. People have some idea that they're somehow entitled to not pay the transit fare and not pay the rent.I'd like to say "but life doesn't work that way". Unfortunately, it does... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri May 24 07:07:26 2013, in response to S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by Gold_12th on Thu May 23 15:09:15 2013. The rule used to be if you were under 6, you got a free ride. But even years ago, when bus operators attempted to enforce the fare (and I understand why nowadays, they do not), they'd let a kid was exactly 6 ride for free.But how do you verify age? Some sort of easily verifiable standard was needed. I don't know when the rule was changed to 44 inches. But it's reasonable. Again, it goes back to the growth spurt issue- maybe at 5'9" and a few days short of 45 y.o., I should ride with my mother and she can tell the NYCTA personnel that I'm 5, I just look mature? Obviously, a deliberately ridiculous argument, but my point is that you need an easily verified rule. If your 4 or 5 year old really is just huge for his age, take it as a blessing- maybe he'll get a pro sports contract, or at a minimum, he'll be able to deal with school bullies. Both can be good things. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri May 24 07:09:18 2013, in response to Re: S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 16:08:36 2013. That's an interesting point... |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Fri May 24 08:36:00 2013, in response to Re: S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 17:43:31 2013. Perhaps we should have 'show mes'? |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Fri May 24 09:13:08 2013, in response to Re: S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by chud1 on Fri May 24 04:44:55 2013. I don't think those are issued to young children. |
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Posted by JRF2 on Fri May 24 09:13:27 2013, in response to S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by Gold_12th on Thu May 23 15:09:15 2013. You may be older or younger, shorter or taller -- somebody pays and someone does not -- someone gets screwed or someone gets away with something.How aboout if the kid is too young to walk, they are free--otherwise they pay. Should make it easier and fairer !! Maybe not perfect-but what is???? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 24 09:28:03 2013, in response to Re: S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by Grand concourse on Fri May 24 08:36:00 2013. Maybe when they have to start ambering anomalies. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 24 09:31:04 2013, in response to Re: S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri May 24 09:13:08 2013. According to the DMV website, there is no lower age limit on one of those. |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri May 24 10:17:30 2013, in response to Re: S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 23 18:18:53 2013. When I was a kid, age was the deciding factor. Up to age 5 you were free, 6 and up full fare on the subway.Lot of cities (phila. comes to mind at 42 inches) used height, because you can fake age more easily than height. I don't know when they changed to height on the MTA. As to fairness, it's always unfair to somebody when someone gets on the subway free while another pays, and there has to be some dividing line. In a way height makes more sense, if you consider that a smaller kid (as opposed to simply a younger kid) can sit on a parent's lap. IIRC non-paying kids were not supposed to be taking up a seat, though I don't know when they ever enforced that. Whether a parent can afford it is not an issue as deciding between age and height. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri May 24 11:30:25 2013, in response to Re: S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by SLRT on Fri May 24 10:17:30 2013. My memory of the late 60s was "Young enough to ride your knee? Young enough to ride for free." |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri May 24 12:19:39 2013, in response to Re: S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by AlM on Fri May 24 11:30:25 2013. Seems like I saw a Subway Sun with that message back in the day, but with "free" first. |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri May 24 12:21:54 2013, in response to Re: S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 24 01:09:31 2013. My parents always had me duck under the turnstile. I was a small kid, but by the third grade I grew and after two RR clerks challenged me within a week, I knew the free ride was over. |
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Posted by David on Fri May 24 12:32:22 2013, in response to Re: S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by SLRT on Fri May 24 12:19:39 2013. It was "LITTLE enough to ride for free, LITTLE enough to ride your knee," meaning that a child riding for free should not occupy a seat of his or her own (when someone paying a fare wanted to sit). Note that it was "LITTLE," not "YOUNG" -- I don't know what the rule was at the time the poster came out (whether it was height-based or age-based), but the free riding privilege changed to height-based about 20 years ago to avoid arguments.David |
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Posted by AlM on Fri May 24 12:52:19 2013, in response to Re: S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by David on Fri May 24 12:32:22 2013. OK, that sounds right. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Fri May 24 13:31:41 2013, in response to Re: S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 17:43:31 2013. On NJ Transit trains, they have a weekends/holidays perk where kids 11 years old and under can ride for free with an adult present. The funniest is when there is a "girl" sitting there, with a 38 DD chest and more makeup on her face than a cheap hooker, and when asked for her ticket, the "adult" accompanying her says, "oh, she's 11 years old"... :-) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 24 14:53:51 2013, in response to Re: S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by SLRT on Fri May 24 10:17:30 2013. A friend of mine who worked in stations offered me this:The height of 44 inches was the height of the tall metal box which was used for depositing tokens if all turnstiles were out of order. It was called a NRFB- Non Revenue Fare Box. When the tokens went to the great transit system in the sky the NRFBs were removed. If a child was taller than the box they had to pay an adult fare. There is also a limit of three children per adult fare. That means if you were traveling alone and had four kids in tow you'd pay two fares. if you had 6 kids, 3 go in with you, one kid buys a fare card and the last two go in with the kid who bought a card. What I'd do is see if there is another adult around and tell you "The other child can go in with the other adult. I'd tell them I'd watch your child so the other adult could not hurt your child. If they cussed me out, then I'd tell them the kid has to buy a card. |
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Posted by b1bus on Fri May 24 15:00:15 2013, in response to S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by Gold_12th on Thu May 23 15:09:15 2013. When I worked Brooklyn Bridge in 1999, a girl taller than her mother crawled under the t/s with a COP present, and I yelled at the cop to make her pay. He didn't care, so then I didn't care after either.There should be a childrens fare and a childrens metrocard. I suggested that to transit last year. San Francisco has one. |
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Posted by chud1 on Fri May 24 15:25:59 2013, in response to Re: S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri May 24 09:13:08 2013. why not.chud1 |
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Posted by merrick1 on Fri May 24 19:07:47 2013, in response to Re: S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by JRF2 on Fri May 24 09:13:27 2013. Then the kid in the SUV-size stroller rides for free even though he takes up more room than two adults. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sat May 25 01:34:17 2013, in response to Re: S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 24 09:28:03 2013. Heh. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 25 06:03:45 2013, in response to Re: S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Fri May 24 13:31:41 2013. Gives a whole new meaning to "give 'em the pickle" . . . sad to say . . . |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 25 07:48:33 2013, in response to Re: S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by b1bus on Fri May 24 15:00:15 2013. Everybody should have a state issued photo ID card with embedded biometrics and RFID. It can be used for any government purpose. Fare card, voter ID, health care, welfare, tax ID number etc etc.LION proposes that it has two numbers on it: Your PUBLIC number: people --employers (if we still have any employment)-- can add money to your account, and a PRIVATE number (embedded in machine code) that in necessary to receive benefits via the card. Your fingerprint on a turnstile reader, or at a liqueur store reader is all that is needed to use the card, thus the physical possession of the card will not enough to steal an identity. ROAR BTW:: Big Brother IS watching, black helicopters are everywhere, and if you are a bad boy, the drones are not far away. Be afraid. Be very afraid! ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 25 11:53:03 2013, in response to Re: S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by merrick1 on Fri May 24 19:07:47 2013. Strollers are to be folded and carried.ROAR |
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Posted by randyo on Sat May 25 16:30:37 2013, in response to Re: S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 25 07:48:33 2013. Jawohl Mein Fuhrer! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 25 20:24:57 2013, in response to Re: S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 25 07:48:33 2013. Everybody should have a state issued photo ID card with embedded biometrics and RFIDJawohl. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat May 25 22:02:41 2013, in response to Re: S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 25 06:03:45 2013. This has been going on for many years, way before the "give them the pickle" video. The trouble is... since children are not required to carry ID, there's no way to prove how "young" somebody is. What we like to do is ask the "kid" what year they were born, and sometimes that's when they give themselves away... :-) |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun May 26 11:38:34 2013, in response to Re: S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 25 20:24:57 2013. Da |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Mon May 27 09:20:36 2013, in response to S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by Gold_12th on Thu May 23 15:09:15 2013. Asking for ID is racist! |
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Posted by chud1 on Mon May 27 15:08:49 2013, in response to Re: S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by orange blossom special on Mon May 27 09:20:36 2013. if i was asked for ID by a police officer, i would not mind it.chud1 |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 28 02:48:40 2013, in response to Re: S.I. Councilwoman Rose calls on MTA to make age, not height, requirement for not paying, posted by chud1 on Mon May 27 15:08:49 2013. I would refuse unless justified. |
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