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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat May 25 18:27:37 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by randyo on Sat May 25 16:28:16 2013. The BMT also had plans for a Madison ave.route to harlem.digging was done at Madison ave.& 67st. before the plan was dropped.the people of da-Bronx voted for a takeover of the NY,W&B instead of the "d" TRAIN EXT.trains were stored on those ramps,saw them with my own eyes. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat May 25 19:32:07 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 25 14:29:25 2013. That's an idea I'd support. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 25 20:09:00 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 25 14:29:25 2013. If you like that, you should see my plans for connecting the Utica Ave subway, from Ave U to Fulton/Utica station! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 25 20:42:22 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 25 16:07:18 2013. Well, Burke Ave does cross the NYWB right-of-way near Eastchester Road. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 25 20:52:40 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by tunnelrat on Sat May 25 18:27:37 2013. You have to remember that the IND plans- and money- did not forsee the NYW&B going belly up in 1937. Had they known, perhaps the Burke Ave extension of the 205th St "D" might have tied into the former right-of-way at Eastchester Rd- or something else. My guess is that they didn't know exactly what do do with the NYW&B trackage till after the war. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 25 21:01:31 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 25 20:42:22 2013. That would probably have been it ... |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 25 21:27:46 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 25 21:01:31 2013. Just have to figure out what to do with the NYW&B trackage between Baychester Ave, south to East 180 St. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 25 21:46:00 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 25 21:27:46 2013. Tear it down! :) |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 25 22:31:55 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 25 21:46:00 2013. I was thinking of joint IRT/IND service to Baychester Ave, with one line terminating at Baychester Ave. The IRT would have been similar to today's hookup. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat May 25 22:33:55 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 25 20:09:00 2013. If that had been done years ago, I might still be living near Kings Plaza instead of moving back to Bay Ridge. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat May 25 22:36:54 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 25 16:07:18 2013. Many of the iND second system plans for the Bronx were formulated before eh NYW&B went belly up. Once the city took over the NYW&B some of the plans changed particularly those for a subway along Morris Pk Av which would have almost paralleled the newly acquired NYW&B ROW. |
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Posted by Renee Gil on Sat May 25 22:59:13 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by randyo on Sat May 25 16:28:16 2013. He was talking about the tracks after 57th/7th. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 25 23:06:08 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 25 22:31:55 2013. You'd have to pick one or the other ... 9 foot and 10 foot cars do have some issues ... |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Sun May 26 07:08:55 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri May 24 22:02:49 2013. He did manipulate rich NIMBY's when he built the Northern State Parkway. Read "The Power Broker". |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Sun May 26 07:10:22 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by merrick1 on Fri May 24 19:02:41 2013. By the time he was going to build that bridge, his power was waning and people were thoroughly fed up with highways. I kind of wish he had built that bridge - having a shortcut to CT would have been very handy. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun May 26 13:17:14 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 23 18:34:23 2013. IIRC all SMEEs had the same acceleration rate and balancing speed. Granted the R-10s were loud, but not nearly as deafening in the late 60s, when I rode them regularly on the Abbott. The CPW dash was truly a dash in those days. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun May 26 13:18:42 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by Mr Railfan on Thu May 23 17:06:30 2013. As delivered, the R-32s could hold their own. They made the CPW dash look easy, zooming past those seven local stops. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun May 26 13:25:24 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by NorthShore on Sat May 25 09:45:33 2013. That must be why they put those knee walls in at 81st St. Going n/b, expresses were going full tilt at that point and when the R-10s thundered by, you got an earful if you were standing on the platform.I am reminded of an incidelt last July on the museum old timers. We rode on the Fulton St. express tracks out to 80th, then turned back. There were several kids at the railfan window, and as we went by one of the local stops, one of them said, "Full speed ahead!". That was nothing compared when we went up CPW at the of the day. When we hit 81st St., we were flying, the bull and pinion gears wailing away at A-440. That was when we were truly moving full speed ahead. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun May 26 13:27:08 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by renee gil on Sat May 25 02:06:30 2013. The last hurrah for the immortal Thunderbirds. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun May 26 17:49:41 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by Edwards! on Fri May 24 19:12:18 2013. IIRC it would have gone to S. 4th St. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun May 26 17:52:02 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri May 24 21:52:03 2013. If they ever do get built. Probably not in my lifetime, anyway. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun May 26 17:59:02 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by 3-9 on Fri May 24 18:01:35 2013. They planned well into the future when the Fulton St. line was built. It wasn't until over 50 years had passed since its opening that full-time express service was implemented. But the infrastructure was aleady there. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun May 26 18:11:08 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 25 23:06:08 2013. "Mind the gap.""Watchyerstep, watchyerstep, watchyerstep." |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sun May 26 18:16:33 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by merrick1 on Fri May 24 19:02:41 2013. Yup Moses was a regular shithead who deserved to be struck by lightning. Destroyed my neighborhood in the Bronx and we were not a poor family. |
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Posted by chud1 on Sun May 26 18:40:12 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sun May 26 18:16:33 2013. Robert Moses was da destroyer of neighborhoods in my book.chud1 |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun May 26 21:02:28 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by merrick1 on Fri May 24 19:02:41 2013. Does anyone wonder why the Northern State Pky takes a hard right before Mineola & then a hard left like an S turn beyond the Meadowbrook before going due east??Story has it that when they were building the Northern State, he Mr Moses, insisted that the Hwy take that routing as to avoid destroying (eminant domaining) many of his well heeled friends estates in that area. Knowing Moses ruthless reputation it seems quite plausable that this happened. Anyone else hear that?? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun May 26 21:21:25 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 25 23:06:08 2013. Not if you made Baychester an express station with 4 tracks and 2 center platforms. Inner tracks could use 10 foot wide cars and terminate there, with crossovers just north of the station. The 9 foot IRT cars would use the outer tracks and continue to Dyre Ave. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun May 26 21:24:30 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun May 26 13:25:24 2013. I miss those front widow rides on the R-10's. Especially coming up the ramp at full gallup on CPW passing through 110th Street! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun May 26 21:30:09 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by Edwards! on Fri May 24 15:42:34 2013. I would loved to have seen pictures of Utica Ave being built with the Second System station from Stuveysant being built diagonally over the Fulton Street express station. All while the trolleys and the Fulton Street el were still running above! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun May 26 21:40:29 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 24 17:02:55 2013. I know, the same time as Allen and Church were widened. I meant the park. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun May 26 21:45:12 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by 3-9 on Fri May 24 18:01:35 2013. Added expense. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun May 26 21:49:21 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 25 14:29:25 2013. Another option: connect the SAS to Rutgers St and run it to Church Ave, route the G from Hoyt/Schermerhorn to Court Sq, thus getting it off the Culver line. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun May 26 21:52:32 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by renee gil on Sat May 25 02:06:30 2013. Missed it by a few hours. I rode through the line 5 times that morning/afternoon on R40slant B's. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun May 26 21:53:39 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by MainR3664 on Fri May 24 07:14:16 2013. For the same reason the idiots who re-surfaced the South Ferry loop tracks too high: someone not paying attention. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun May 26 21:54:20 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun May 26 21:02:28 2013. The way I heard the story, he actually wanted to go straight through, but created "Objectioners' Bend" more out of spite when he was not allowed to do so. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun May 26 21:54:30 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by MainR3664 on Fri May 24 07:12:43 2013. If the MTA had it's way the 63rd st line would not have opened until 2001. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun May 26 21:56:04 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun May 26 13:17:14 2013. They were ear-blistering in the 80's, even the green ones. Going through Cranberry St during the summer was deafening. Literally. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun May 26 21:57:37 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by kew gardens teleport on Fri May 24 15:39:54 2013. Most do not go into revenue service (PM) until they get to 59th St. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun May 26 21:59:56 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by kew gardens teleport on Fri May 24 15:40:54 2013. Better yet, extend it via the Bay Ridge east to a proper 2 track terminal with tail tracks so that the whole line can run 24-27 TPH. Right now FBA can only turn 20, and even that can back the line up all the way to Church Ave during the height of rush hour. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun May 26 22:08:29 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by Elkeeper on Sun May 26 21:30:09 2013. Even before I knew anything about the IND expansion plans, I knew something was weird about Utica Ave. The diagonal trackways and the unusual size of the station meant that more had to have been planned. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 26 22:15:50 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by 3-9 on Fri May 24 18:01:35 2013. with neutered expresses they are almost right except of course for the doubled throughput. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun May 26 22:16:05 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun May 26 22:08:29 2013. When I was a kid, the Utica Ave stairs and handrails to nowhere intrigued me. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun May 26 22:23:33 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun May 26 21:49:21 2013. You meant Court Street, didn't you? Strangely, there are no track connections for the "G" crosstown tracks to the "A" line or the Court St tracks, east or west of Hoyt. |
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Posted by NorthShore on Sun May 26 22:53:34 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun May 26 21:02:28 2013. Yes. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun May 26 23:47:12 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat May 25 01:11:58 2013. Then by that measure, you can also consider the Willy B a river crossing for Queens as well. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon May 27 00:19:33 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by Elkeeper on Sun May 26 22:16:05 2013. one of my fathers war buddy's once told me he remembers subway construction on Atlantic/Utica..about two blocks long...but didn't last too long..he firmly said as soon as they started digging up the street..the filled it back in. his wife said some similar..but they were the only people from over there that remembered it..so i have mixed feelings about it. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon May 27 00:25:12 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun May 26 21:59:56 2013. the tunnel goes as far as avenue H...A extension could be built to the Bay Ridge line for a proper island platform station on the row.didn't the TA planned to do that..but without the station a few years ago? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon May 27 00:33:30 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat May 25 01:11:58 2013. yes there is..the A does not operate as many trains as it did back in the day.. there are THREE services that operate on Fulton st during miday..FOUR during the peak periods..yet you can wait as long as 20 minutes for a train at that station. i HAVE..many times. The merge point here slows up service..and the Fulton local were never suppose to be on those tracks in the first place. |
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Posted by renee gil on Mon May 27 02:05:47 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by Edwards! on Fri May 24 19:12:18 2013. I was wondering about one of the bulkhead rollsigns on the R1/9 that read: "Houston/Essex"....that would have been the station. Near the ending of the 2nd Avenue station middle tracks (which continues 535 ft after the station; B5 and B6 tracks, I believe), the tracks begin to separate and end at bumper blocks. At the end of the tracks at the bumper blocks, there is a provision of a center track which only extends about 30 feet and it stops at the bulkhead or a diamondcrossover at the end of the tunnel. |
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Posted by renee gil on Mon May 27 02:19:11 2013, in response to Re: tracks after 57th St/6 Av, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun May 26 17:49:41 2013. yup, 2 lines that would of led to S. 4th St: worth street and houston street |
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