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Posted by Fulton Frank on Wed May 22 07:12:47 2013 We all know the names of NYCT's east river tunnels: 60th street; Montague, Clark, etc. Question: I have never heard the 3 Harlem river tunnels referred to by name. They must have names so crews can identify their locations on the radio, say. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed May 22 07:32:36 2013, in response to Tunnel Names, posted by Fulton Frank on Wed May 22 07:12:47 2013. Believe it or not, in the NYCT track charts and materials, they do not formally have names, though crews easily would know what river they are under, and in the event of a problem, the location is usually denoted by the signal nameplates. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 22 08:50:51 2013, in response to Tunnel Names, posted by Fulton Frank on Wed May 22 07:12:47 2013. Lexington Ave, 149th Street and 161st Street. |
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Posted by renee gil on Wed May 22 11:40:48 2013, in response to Tunnel Names, posted by Fulton Frank on Wed May 22 07:12:47 2013. Lexington Ave Tunnel - 4,5,6149th Street Tunnel - 2 Concourse Tunnel - B/D |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 22 12:06:03 2013, in response to Re: Tunnel Names, posted by renee gil on Wed May 22 11:40:48 2013. 161st Street Tunnel is the principal name.http://www.firetesttaking.com/pdfs/auc/207_a2.pdf |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Wed May 22 12:39:12 2013, in response to Re: Tunnel Names, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 22 12:06:03 2013. Corrected.
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Posted by Joe on Wed May 22 13:32:19 2013, in response to Re: Tunnel Names, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Wed May 22 12:39:12 2013. The 1982 NYCTA Tunnel Names List posted by Kevin puzzles me. Isn't the Clark Street tunnel used by the 2 and 3 trains? The A and C (A, CC, JFK on that list) use the Cranberry Street tunnel, not Clark.--- And what does A.U.C. indicate, the years since 1775? Thanks. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 22 13:52:09 2013, in response to Re: Tunnel Names, posted by renee gil on Wed May 22 11:40:48 2013. I always thought the Pelham and Jerome tunnels were separate. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed May 22 14:42:22 2013, in response to Re: Tunnel Names, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 22 13:52:09 2013. While they are physically part of the same tunnel envelope, in the command center we would refer to them separately as the Pelham Tube and the Jerome Tube mostly for GO purposes. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Thu May 23 00:13:34 2013, in response to Re: Tunnel Names, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 22 13:52:09 2013. Track 4 and Track 2 run right next to each other with little open niches for most of the tunnel, until the (6) starts curving away near 138th Street. |
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Posted by renee gil on Thu May 23 02:20:42 2013, in response to Re: Tunnel Names, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 22 12:06:03 2013. okay, gotcha. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu May 23 10:47:27 2013, in response to Re: Tunnel Names, posted by Joe on Wed May 22 13:32:19 2013. >> And what does A.U.C. indicate, the years since 1775?That seems like a most remarkable coincidence, or synchronicity if you will, and I can't resist commenting on it. As you probably know, A.U.C (ab urbe condita) was a dating system used by Roman historians to indicate years since the founding of Rome in what we would call 753 B.C. Some people regard the United States as the new Rome, so a similar system of dating things in years since the founding of the U.S. is not illogical. Indeed, such a system was used (in addition to A.D. dates) in a number of documents from early U.S. history, and even in a few more recent ones. An example would be James Madison's proclamation urging people to help defend against the British invasion in the war of 1812, which concludes with the line "Done at the city of Washington, the 1st day of September, A.D. 1814, and of the Independence of the United States the thirty-ninth." This system counts the first year of Independence as beginning when independence was declared in July of 1776, and could also be construed as "years since 1775". But I rather suspect that the "A.U.C. 207" reference in the document shown has something to do with 207th St. yard, and nothing actually to do with the years of American Independence. As for listing "A/CC/JFK" as using the Clark St. Tunnel, obviously somebody goofed. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu May 23 11:16:27 2013, in response to Re: Tunnel Names, posted by Dyre Dan on Thu May 23 10:47:27 2013. Well, it seems A.U.C. has nothing to do with 207th St. yard either. In fact, the document was not issued by the NYCTA, but rather by the FDNY (Fire Department). A.U.C. seems to be the designation for a whole series of documents issued by the FDNY, but what it stands for I haven't been able to find. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu May 23 14:53:58 2013, in response to Re: Tunnel Names, posted by Dyre Dan on Thu May 23 10:47:27 2013. Indeed my late grandfather (1874-1967) was enough of a traditionalist to so date some documents (he was an attorney). |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu May 23 15:47:15 2013, in response to Re: Tunnel Names, posted by Dyre Dan on Thu May 23 10:47:27 2013. Excellent work!history is fun. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 16:18:05 2013, in response to Re: Tunnel Names, posted by Dyre Dan on Thu May 23 10:47:27 2013. I have a document from a federal court which lists the year that way: "…in the year of our Lord two thousand-twelve and of the Independence of the United States the hundred and thirty-seven" [sic]It looks standardized (the numbers are blanks to be filled in), so it's probably fairly common. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu May 23 21:12:46 2013, in response to Re: Tunnel Names, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 16:18:05 2013. I am very surprised that a recent document from Federal court would use the English expression "year of our Lord". I would think that would be objected to on first amendment (establishment clause) grounds. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu May 23 21:22:17 2013, in response to Re: Tunnel Names, posted by Dyre Dan on Thu May 23 21:12:46 2013. The abbreviation A.D. (as in 2013 A.D.) means year of the Lord. So it's an inherent piece of the English language, though there are lots of people who prefer C.E. (Common Era) exactly to avoid using a Christian expression. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 23 21:31:23 2013, in response to Re: Tunnel Names, posted by AlM on Thu May 23 21:22:17 2013. Why would anyone want to do that? |
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Posted by bklynsubwaybob on Thu May 23 22:41:08 2013, in response to Re: Tunnel Names, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 23 21:31:23 2013. Yeah, if you change history enough all accurate accounting will go out the window. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri May 24 00:21:37 2013, in response to Re: Tunnel Names, posted by bklynsubwaybob on Thu May 23 22:41:08 2013. it's been done already..so no real lost,unless you had a personal stake. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 24 01:17:38 2013, in response to Re: Tunnel Names, posted by AlM on Thu May 23 21:22:17 2013. They should just use "the year" as in the US Constitution. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 24 01:19:01 2013, in response to Re: Tunnel Names, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 23 21:31:23 2013. Some people's lords have existed more than two thousand and thirteen years, others fewer, and other people have no lord. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Fri May 24 02:29:41 2013, in response to Re: Tunnel Names, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 24 01:17:38 2013. It turns out the Constitution did use "Year of our Lord", plus the "and of the Independence" formulation:done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names, But just saying "the year" would be clear enough today, and would avoid any suggestion of being partial toward Christianity. After all, many non-Christian countries also use the same calendar now. |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Fri May 24 04:16:10 2013, in response to Re: Tunnel Names, posted by AlM on Thu May 23 21:22:17 2013. The abbreviation A.D. (as in 2013 A.D.) means year of the Lord. So it's an inherent piece of the English language, though there are lots of people who prefer C.E. (Common Era) exactly to avoid using a Christian expression.Not to mention the issue that it should be AD2013, something that virtually no-one ever gets right. At least 2013CE is technically correct. I also support using 1-10,000HE for 10,000-1BC(E), as it's more sensible to have a calendar that goes forwards rather than backwards, and to avoid the ambiguity of things such as 146-22BC(E). |
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Posted by AlM on Fri May 24 09:23:23 2013, in response to Re: Tunnel Names, posted by kew gardens teleport on Fri May 24 04:16:10 2013. Not to mention that since there is no year zero, the year 87 BC is only 2099 years ago. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 24 09:26:21 2013, in response to Calendars, was Re: Tunnel Names, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri May 24 02:29:41 2013. Article VII doesn't really count. Other references to years, which were done deliberately, show an effort to avoid mentioning any deity or religious belief. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri May 24 09:27:21 2013, in response to Re: Tunnel Names, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 23 21:31:23 2013. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Era |
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