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Re: For the Interurban Fan

Posted by chud1 on Sat May 18 14:44:12 2013, in response to Re: For the Interurban Fan, posted by Avid Reader on Sat May 18 13:15:21 2013.

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A+ on these photos.
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Re: For the Interurban Fan

Posted by Fred G on Sat May 18 15:07:19 2013, in response to Re: For the Interurban Fan, posted by Avid Reader on Sat May 18 13:15:21 2013.

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great stuff, thanks.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: For the Interurban Fan

Posted by Avid Reader on Sun May 19 13:04:08 2013, in response to Re: For the Interurban Fan, posted by chud1 on Sat May 18 14:44:12 2013.

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Happy to share, but the kudos go to others.

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Re: For the Interurban Fan

Posted by Avid Reader on Sun May 19 13:05:47 2013, in response to Re: For the Interurban Fan, posted by Fred G on Sat May 18 15:07:19 2013.

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I only gather, you however are out there creating current treasures.
My hat is off to you.

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Re: For the Interurban Fan

Posted by Avid Reader on Sun May 19 16:50:31 2013, in response to Re: For the Interurban Fan, posted by chud1 on Tue May 14 10:53:19 2013.

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So, I'm wondering how these would have held up?





NO RUST SHOWING



LOOKS BRAND NEW


I THINK THIS IS BRIDGEPORT


A YARD LAYUP


COMING OR GOING ON PARK AVENUE.

Washboards at Stamford CT.

No idea where this is.

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Re: For the Interurban Fan

Posted by Dave on Sun May 19 16:58:07 2013, in response to Re: For the Interurban Fan, posted by Avid Reader on Sun May 19 16:50:31 2013.

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The last picture looks like it's near Mott Haven.

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Re: For the Interurban Fan

Posted by chud1 on Sun May 19 17:40:14 2013, in response to Re: For the Interurban Fan, posted by Avid Reader on Sun May 19 16:50:31 2013.

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5 drooling stars out of 5 drooling stars on these pictures.

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Re: For the Commuter EMU Fan

Posted by WillD on Sun May 19 18:02:41 2013, in response to Re: For the Interurban Fan, posted by Avid Reader on Sun May 19 16:50:31 2013.

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None of those are interurbans. But in a collision between a set of older, lighter Illinois Central EMUs and newer, heavier Highliners, the older EMUs fared better.

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Re: For the Interurban Fan

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun May 19 18:45:31 2013, in response to Re: For the Interurban Fan, posted by Avid Reader on Sun May 19 16:50:31 2013.

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Last pic is north of Fordham.

Nice shots of the good ol' Washboard 4400s!! :-)

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Re: For the Interurban Fan

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 19 18:58:24 2013, in response to Re: For the Interurban Fan, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun May 19 18:45:31 2013.

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Used to ride them every now and then back in the 60's in and out of Gunhill. The Bronx locals were pretty raggedy on the inside. :(

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Re: For the Interurban Fan

Posted by Fred G on Sun May 19 19:08:30 2013, in response to Re: For the Interurban Fan, posted by Avid Reader on Sun May 19 16:50:31 2013.

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That is Bridgeport.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: For the Interurban Fan

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 19 19:32:33 2013, in response to Re: For the Interurban Fan, posted by chud1 on Sun May 19 17:40:14 2013.

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I'm going to need a bigger umbrella what with all these drooling stars in the sky above me . . .

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Re: For the Interurban Fan

Posted by 3-9 on Sun May 19 21:10:02 2013, in response to Re: For the Interurban Fan, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun May 19 18:45:31 2013.

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Wow, that was Fordham? So dingy. :-( OTOH, nostalgic to see freight service there. Don't think there is much freight service along the Harlem line anymore, no?

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Re: For the Interurban Fan

Posted by chud1 on Mon May 20 02:36:29 2013, in response to Re: For the Interurban Fan, posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 19 19:32:33 2013.

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get da biggest umbrella u can get, drool, drool.
chud1

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Re: For the Interurban Fan

Posted by Avid Reader on Mon May 20 11:36:38 2013, in response to Re: For the Interurban Fan, posted by Dave on Sun May 19 16:58:07 2013.

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I'll take your word on it. I'm just not familiar with that whole ROW.
Thanks, any additional information on the cars or locations is always welcome.

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Re: For the Commuter EMU Fan

Posted by Avid Reader on Mon May 20 11:38:54 2013, in response to Re: For the Commuter EMU Fan, posted by WillD on Sun May 19 18:02:41 2013.

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Forgive the title, Electric traction might have been better.
Any photos of the collisions available?

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Re: For the Interurban Fan

Posted by Avid Reader on Mon May 20 11:41:15 2013, in response to Re: For the Interurban Fan, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun May 19 18:45:31 2013.

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Thanks.
Did the washboards have a weak or deficient braking system?
I seem to remember that that lead to their retirement.

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Re: For the Interurban Fan

Posted by Avid Reader on Mon May 20 11:42:41 2013, in response to Re: For the Interurban Fan, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 19 18:58:24 2013.

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Was that due to excessive mileage and deferred maintenance?

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Re: For the Interurban Fan

Posted by Avid Reader on Mon May 20 11:46:15 2013, in response to Re: For the Interurban Fan, posted by 3-9 on Sun May 19 21:10:02 2013.

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Trucks, the Interstate system, and companies relocating to the south and China helped close down manufacturing serviced by RR in the north east.

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Re: For the Interurban Fan

Posted by Avid Reader on Mon May 20 11:47:32 2013, in response to Re: For the Interurban Fan, posted by Fred G on Sun May 19 19:08:30 2013.

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We have a vote for Mott Haven.

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Re: For the Interurban Fan

Posted by Avid Reader on Mon May 20 11:49:39 2013, in response to Re: For the Interurban Fan, posted by Fred G on Sun May 19 19:08:30 2013.

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Was your post confirming the Bridgeport supposition?
If so for get the previous response.
Thanks

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Re: For the Interurban Fan

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 20 12:09:47 2013, in response to Re: For the Interurban Fan, posted by Avid Reader on Mon May 20 11:46:15 2013.

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You left out increasing taxation and increasing social programs run by "givernment".

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Re: For the Commuter EMU Fan

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 20 12:16:19 2013, in response to Re: For the Commuter EMU Fan, posted by WillD on Sun May 19 18:02:41 2013.

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Highliners (at 130,000 lbs) heavier than the IC single-deck EMUs?

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Re: For the Commuter EMU Fan

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon May 20 12:20:42 2013, in response to Re: For the Commuter EMU Fan, posted by WillD on Sun May 19 18:02:41 2013.

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IINM you have the weights reversed. The 1926 IC EMU's were classic heavyweights not light. The Highliners were 1960's products and they were lightweights. The wreck was a very sad case of bad procedure after overshooting the platform.

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Re: For the Interurban Fan

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon May 20 12:26:53 2013, in response to Re: For the Interurban Fan, posted by Avid Reader on Mon May 20 11:42:41 2013.

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My first NH ride from GCT to New Rochelle in 1964 was an eye opener. There was a broken window in the door on the platform side. next to the crack and hole was a printed sticker headlined
Vandalism broke this window but the NYNH&H has no funds to repair it. At the timec a regular IC Electric rider I was appalled at the condition of the cars.

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Re: For the Commuter EMU Fan

Posted by Joe V on Mon May 20 12:31:49 2013, in response to Re: For the Commuter EMU Fan, posted by WillD on Sun May 19 18:02:41 2013.

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There may have also been mismatched heights between anti-climbers.

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Re: For the Commuter EMU Fan

Posted by Avid Reader on Mon May 20 13:26:29 2013, in response to Re: For the Commuter EMU Fan, posted by Avid Reader on Mon May 20 11:38:54 2013.

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This series is of more NY NH & H washboards. The astute student will note the washboards are in the back round with the new M-2s.

Almost side by side.

Look to the extreme right. A glimpse of some washboards.

Look to the left, in the distance, more washboards.

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Re: For the Interurban Fan

Posted by Avid Reader on Mon May 20 13:39:30 2013, in response to Re: For the Interurban Fan, posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 20 12:09:47 2013.

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Yep, that would be a part of it.

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Re: For the Interurban Fan

Posted by asgard on Mon May 20 13:43:17 2013, in response to Re: For the Interurban Fan, posted by Avid Reader on Sun May 19 16:50:31 2013.

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"No rust showing" is one of the parlor cars.

"Coming or going" is New Haven railroad westbound to Grand Central.

"No idea where this is" -- at first I didn't think it was north of Fordham, as was suggested, because the brick building seems to tall to be Fordham Prep. But on further thought, I don't see where else it would be. Above the second and third cars (second and third closest the camera) is what might be the remains of the railing from the Bronx Park terminal station of the Third Avenue el.

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Re: For the Interurban Fan

Posted by Avid Reader on Mon May 20 13:58:53 2013, in response to Re: For the Interurban Fan, posted by asgard on Mon May 20 13:43:17 2013.

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Are the windows the giveaway for the polar car?

I wasn't sure which direction the Park Ave train was going. It was difficult for me to judge by the horizon.

Never having the opportunity to use the Third Ave El, I didn't know it terminated there.

Thanks for filling in the blanks.

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Re: For the Commuter EMU Fan

Posted by Joe V on Mon May 20 13:59:26 2013, in response to Re: For the Commuter EMU Fan, posted by WillD on Sun May 19 18:02:41 2013.

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Well, what's an interurban ? NICTD theoretically yes, but the cars are identical to the MARC loco-hauled Sumitomo coaches and never ran on the "L".

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Re: For the Interurban Fan

Posted by CJ on Mon May 20 14:17:21 2013, in response to Re: For the Interurban Fan, posted by Avid Reader on Sun May 19 16:50:31 2013.

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What about these?



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Re: For the Interurban Fan: Freight Handling

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 20 14:24:30 2013, in response to For the Interurban Fan, posted by Avid Reader on Wed May 8 11:56:05 2013.

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Interesting article in this book about interurban freight handling and competition faced from both the general railway network (called "steam railroads" here) and the trucking industry (referred to as "motor trucks").

Does Freight Handling Pay?

January, 1921

Louisville & Interurban Railroad Furnishes Good Example of Freight Possibilities on Short Interurban. Farm Gate Service Proves Popular

Quite a number of short interurbans have in the past regarded the handling of freight as questionable from a revenue standpoint. Many of these lines have keen competition either from steam railroads or from motor trucks, and consequently have hesitated to spend the money necessary to properly equip the electric line so that freight traffic could be intensely solicited and properly handled. This hesitancy, and in some cases the inability to finance the proposition even in a small way, has no doubt resulted in retarding the progress of the freight handling movement on interurban lines. That it does pay, however, if modern business methods are used and traffic handled properly, has been clearly demonstrated on a number of the larger electric lines, as has been shown by descriptions in the columns of this publication during recent months.

As a general proposition, the smaller roads have not profited by the opportunity presented by this class of business, and for the most part they have taken only what business has come to them and have handled this business thus offered in the best possible manner without additional investment. Experience of a number of the shorter interurbans indicates that a wonderful opportunity has been overlooked. It is not necessary that an interurban connect two or more large communities or that the line be a long road taping an immense territory.

Short Lines Profitable

As an example of what may be accomplished in the matter of freight handling on short interurban lines, there is probably no better case which can be cited than that of the Louisville & Interurban Railroad. As shown on the map, this system, which is known locally as the Beargrass Lines, operates seven separate branches or divisions. The longest of these branches is the line to Shelbyville, 31 miles from Louisville. The next longest branch is the line to LaGrange, 27.2 miles in length. The remaining five branches are less than 12.5 miles long. From this data and a glance at the map, it will be seen that the lines are nothing unusual for interurban lines radiating from a large city; but in spite of these facts, sufficient freight business has been developed to tax the capacity of a 33 ft. by 275 ft. freight house, an average of 14 to 18 cars of l.c.l. shipments being handled daily.

Development of the Business

The Jeffersontown division, the first interurban line, was opened for traffic in the spring of 1904. In the Fall of the same year, the short branches to Prospect and Orell were put into operation and the company started in a very limited way to handle package or express business. During the following year, 1905, the Okolona division was opened up, and in 1907 the Fern Creek division was put into operation. None of these lines was over 12.5 miles in length and as they paralleled very good roads, there did not seem to be a very good argument for the establishing of a freight or express business.

In the Fall of 1909, the company acquired the L. & E. road to LaGrange, 27.2 miles, and also partially constructed the road to Shelbyville, 31 miles in length. The LaGrange division had been doing a small freight business, but as the Shelbyville line was new, the business had to be developed.

Difficulties Encountered

By Spring 1910, the company had succeeded in getting together an organization which was deemed sufficient to enter the field and get a fair share of the freight and express traffic. Efforts in this direction met with many obstacles as there existed a parallel steam road to Shelbyville, in addition to the splendid highways in this district. The highways, together with the development of motor trucks, were a more serious competitor than the steam roads. In the face of these difficulties, the revenue from freight and express increased steadily, and the year 1918 showed an increase of 88 percent over 1910.

Traffic Handled

The traffic consists largely of ordinary shipments and no unusual conditions exist to greatly increase the amount of business in any one commodity. The major parts of shipments consist of feed of various kinds, building materials, lumber, cement, sand, gravel, fertilizer, farming implements and general merchandise. During the road building season in 1920, over 7,200,000 pounds of cement, or about 120 cars, were handled from Louisville to points on the Fern Creek division, moving to Louisville via a standard gauge road and there reloaded into interurban cars. A cement plant is located about 3 miles from Orell on the Orell division, and 5 to 6 carloads of cement originating at this plant are handled daily from Orell to Louisville and reshipped over steam roads to different parts of the country. The cement is delivered to cars via motor trucks, the business being constant during the season of good roads and amounting to something like 29,000 tons annually. During July 1920, the company arranged with a road contractor to handle from a quarry on the Fern Creek division to Orell, on the Salt River division, about 75,000 tons of road construction rock. This rock is being moved in bottom-dump gondola cars, and is unloaded by moving upon an elevated side track about 1,500 feet in length constructed for this particular job.

Emergency packages only are handled on passenger trains and when this is done, arrangements are made through the office of the general freight and passenger agent. The passenger traffic is conducted along ordinary interurban methods and for the most part, all freight and express business is separate.

No-Delay Service

One of the features of the handling of freight on this road is that facilities are provided to take immediate care of all shipments offered. While there is no strictly night freight movements, shipments received as late as 5 p.m. leave Louisville at 4 a.m. the following morning and are ready for delivery at the most distant points on the lines by 6 or 6:30 a.m., thus providing a service which has proven very popular and satisfactory to patrons.

The early trains out of Louisville handle ice and perishable shipments and on the return trip are milk trains arriving at Louisville at 9 to 9:30 a.m. Cars on these runs handle 10,000 to 30,000 pounds of ice on the outbound trip, and consequently are in excellent condition for handling milk shipments on the return trip. However, in extremely hot weather, ice is provided for the benefit of milk shippers on the return trip.

Rates as a rule are about the same as competitive steam lines, but are lower in most instances than competitive motor truck rates. However, since truck operators are not under the supervision of the public service commission, they enjoy a wide latitude in rate making and bidding for the transportation of shipments. This fact has made the motor truck the most serious competitor of the interurban lines entering Louisville. Truck operators are not required to comply with classifications or tariffs, and for this reason they have resorted to unbusiness-like methods in many instances. So keen has this competition become that some traction officials predict that the electric railways will be forced to pull along-side of the truck and bid for business using the same methods as used by the present truck competition.

Freight Facilities

The present schedule on the Louisville & Interurban provides for one to four freight cars daily in each direction over the various divisions. The equipment used to give this service consists of 12 motor cars of 60,000 lbs. capacity, 5 box cars, 2 gondolas, and 2 flat cars; the short lines and the consequent short runs making it possible for all freight cars to make several trips each during 24 hours in case of emergency.

The Louisville freight house, shown in the illustrations, is a modern brick building 33 ft. by 275 ft. having tracks on each side. The tracks on one side are paved and for the most part all l.c.l. shipments are handled from this side of the house, while the track on the opposite side is used as a team track for carload shipments. Other facilities located at the freight terminal are two conveniently-located freight house scales, a wagon or platform scale and a stationary stock chute. A portable stock chute is also provided for handling livestock shipments out on the road to and from non agency points. Livestock shipments in less-than-carload movements are handled in routine manner in the freight department. Carloads are handled direct to and from the Bourbon Yards where the Louisville & Interurban has its own tracks. Sixty to seventy livestock carloads per month are handled during the stock shipping season.

Shipping Records

All shipments on the Louisville & Interurban Railroad are covered by a bill of lading. This is checked by the receiving clerks on the freight house platform and is then passed to the rail clerk and thence to the bill clerk. All billing is done on a billing machine in quadruplicate. The original bill is retained by the forwarding agent. Copies two and three move with the freight, number two being retained by the delivering agent as his receipt from the consignee, and number three, the expense bill, goes to the consignee with the shipment, while number four is the auditor's copy.

O. S. & D. cases are first investigated by the local freight office or the O. S. & D. clerk, and reports are then sent to the office of the general freight and passenger agent, who then either authorizes payment or prepares the case for rejectment (sic) in case of claim against the company.

Soliciting Methods

Frequent service and accommodation are named as the features having the strongest appeal in the solicitation of freight business on this road, and it is considered that it is worth the time and money for the general passenger and freight agent or his assistant to occasionally rub shoulder-to-shoulder with patrons. In fact, the remarkable growth of freight traffic on this road is attributed to personal contact with patrons coupled with adequate service.

It is pointed out in some instances that successful handling of freight on short interurbans is due to lack of active competition or to the absolute lack of other means of transportation. In this case it cannot be said that the success is in any measure due to these causes, for there is steam road competition on the most important branches, and in addition there are excellent highways paralleling each division thus providing a free route for motor truck competition.

Farm Gate Service

One of the outstanding features contributing to the success of this road is the farm gate service provided to rural districts. In all instances, the company endeavors to deliver shipments to farmers along the line at the point most convenient to the patron, the limiting condition in this case being that such delivery shall not interfere with the movement of passenger cars. This service has proven to be one of the most effective means of securing and holding business.

R.H. Wyatt, general freight and passenger agent of the Louisville & Interurban Railroad, in answer as to special methods of securing business and the key to the success in the handling of freight, says: “As to methods of getting business, I know of no better way than a conveniently-arranged schedule, one which suits the convenience of the consignee, as it is the consignee who usually controls the movement. An absolute essential is an organization which is trained from the truckers to the highest man in the service, that it is everyone’s job to please the other fellow, and to do it.”


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Re: For the Commuter EMU Fan

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 20 14:28:03 2013, in response to Re: For the Commuter EMU Fan, posted by Joe V on Mon May 20 13:59:26 2013.

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the cars are identical to the MARC loco-hauled Sumitomo coaches

The NICTD cars do have center doors. And no, they aren't identical aside to that either.

 


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Re: For the Commuter EMU Fan

Posted by WillD on Mon May 20 15:34:31 2013, in response to Re: For the Commuter EMU Fan, posted by Joe V on Mon May 20 13:59:26 2013.

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These days there is no such thing as an Interurban. NICTD is a commuter railroad per APTA, NTD, and the FTA. It's only amongst rail fans that anyone attempts to draw any sort of distinction between electric commuter rail and the South Shore's operation based entirely on its street running.

If there were to be an interurban these days IMHO the Sound Transit Central Link would come close. It lacks FRA regulation, uses a 1500vdc overhead, and may someday connect Seattle, Bellevue, and Tacoma.

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Re: For the Interurban Fan

Posted by randyo on Mon May 20 15:41:37 2013, in response to Re: For the Interurban Fan, posted by Avid Reader on Mon May 20 11:41:15 2013.

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The washboards had essentially the same braking system as the 4500, 4600 and 4700 NYC MUs (the ACMUs) which was a D22MUE system on the washboards and 4500s and a 26CMUE on the later NYC MUs. The 4500s had M-40D brake valves and the washboards and later NYVMUs had M38 brake valves which while not identical essentially performed the same function. The North Shore Electroliners and BMT Multis had an almost identical brake system but an earlier version referred to as AMCE with the Multis having an ME 39 brake valve instead of the M-38. The brake system was essentially an electro pneumatic straight air brake system combined with an automatic brake system in the event of an EP failure. Although this system was the forerunner of the SMEE as used on NYCTS, on those systems, the straight air only functioned in and electro pneumatic mode. If the EP failed, straight air would not apply ant the automatic reduction brake positions on the brake valve would have to be used to stop the train. On the Multis, there was a protection feature that provided an emergency brake application if the straight air pressure did not correspond to what was called for by the position of the brake valve but no such feature existed on any of the RRs' MUs. I was told by an MN employee that at some point a few years ago, the FR outlawed the M-38 and similar brake valves and at least on the 1100 series (former 4600 and 4700) ACMUs, the M-38 brake valves were replaced by 26 type self lapping reduction brake valves like those on the Jersey arrows and SEPTA silverliners which lacked the straight air feature but retained the electro pneumatic feature. Whether that FRA ruling coincided with the removal of the washboards, I don't know, but if there is anyone out there from M/N or is otherwise familiar with any such FRA ruling, feel free to make any additions or corrections to the info I have.

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Re: For the Commuter EMU Fan

Posted by randyo on Mon May 20 15:46:03 2013, in response to Re: For the Commuter EMU Fan, posted by WillD on Mon May 20 15:34:31 2013.

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AFAIK, even back in their heyday, the interurbans were under the jurisdiction of the RR division of the ICC which was the forerunner of the FRA, so federal oversight would not preclude the South Shore from still being classed as an interurban. The other interurbans like the South Shore even carried freight like many commuter RRs.

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Re: For the Interurban Fan

Posted by randyo on Mon May 20 15:48:25 2013, in response to Re: For the Interurban Fan, posted by Avid Reader on Mon May 20 11:49:39 2013.

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While the photos under the wire could be Bridgeport, the photos with 3rd rail only definitely would not be.

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Re: For the Commuter EMU Fan

Posted by randyo on Mon May 20 15:50:55 2013, in response to Re: For the Commuter EMU Fan, posted by WillD on Mon May 20 15:34:31 2013.

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AFAIK, even back in their heyday, the interurbans were under the jurisdiction of the RR division of the ICC which was the forerunner of the FRA, so federal oversight would not preclude the South Shore from still being classed as an interurban. The other interurbans like the South Shore even carried freight like many commuter RRs.

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Re: For the Commuter EMU Fan

Posted by Joe V on Mon May 20 16:44:06 2013, in response to Re: For the Commuter EMU Fan, posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 20 14:28:03 2013.

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Actually, NICTD trailers (10 of them) lack center doors.

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Re: For the Commuter EMU Fan

Posted by Joe V on Mon May 20 16:45:32 2013, in response to Re: For the Commuter EMU Fan, posted by WillD on Mon May 20 15:34:31 2013.

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Tradition continues nonetheless: they cut/add cars at Gary and MC Shops.

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Re: For the Commuter EMU Fan

Posted by Joe V on Mon May 20 16:47:49 2013, in response to Re: For the Commuter EMU Fan, posted by randyo on Mon May 20 15:46:03 2013.

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If the North Shore and the Elgin survived, I don't think FRA would have been able to do a thing about them both interchanging freight and jumping on the "L" system because of grandfathering. CTA's cars are of course not FRA compliant, never were.

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Re: For the Interurban Fan

Posted by asgard on Mon May 20 17:17:14 2013, in response to Re: For the Interurban Fan, posted by Avid Reader on Mon May 20 13:58:53 2013.

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Right, the double-width windows.

The pantographs were at the New York end, which is the easiest way to tell that the train is inbound; also, the east side of Park Avenue is higher than the west side at that point.

Bronx Park was a terminal from 1902 until 1951; in 1920 the Webster Avenue extension opened, diverging north of Fordham Road, so that trains could run either to the Bronx Park station or continue up Webster to the junction with the White Plains Road line.

Details at Joe Brennan's:

http://warofyesterday.blogspot.com/2009/08/botanical-garden.html

and

http://warofyesterday.blogspot.com/2009/08/botanical-garden-ii.html

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Re: For the Interurban Fan

Posted by asgard on Mon May 20 17:36:32 2013, in response to Re: For the Interurban Fan, posted by CJ on Mon May 20 14:17:21 2013.

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A quick guess would be the Van Nest shops in the East Bronx.

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Re: For the Interurban Fan

Posted by Joe V on Mon May 20 18:12:38 2013, in response to Re: For the Interurban Fan, posted by randyo on Mon May 20 15:41:37 2013.

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Could a Washboard, given that it had WH electricals , MU with LIRR conventional cars when on 3rd rail ?

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Re: For the Interurban Fan

Posted by Avid Reader on Mon May 20 19:30:35 2013, in response to Re: For the Interurban Fan, posted by asgard on Mon May 20 17:17:14 2013.

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I have often wondered why RR's chose to have a particular end always in a certain direction, instead of haphazardly. In the case of equipment with pants, to keep them apart in case of a failure of some sort, so the defective one does not, tumble into the next.
Same with push-pull sets. there is usually a dedicated end for the power and the cab car.

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Re: For the Interurban Fan

Posted by Avid Reader on Mon May 20 19:40:09 2013, in response to Re: For the Interurban Fan, posted by CJ on Mon May 20 14:17:21 2013.

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They appear to be a power car with two pants and a trailer without pants. Both gate car types.
First time I've laid my eyes on this type.

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Re: For the Interurban Fan

Posted by Avid Reader on Mon May 20 19:46:15 2013, in response to Re: For the Interurban Fan, posted by randyo on Mon May 20 15:48:25 2013.

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I missed that important detail, the third rail.

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Re: For the Interurban Fan: Freight Handling

Posted by Avid Reader on Mon May 20 19:51:57 2013, in response to Re: For the Interurban Fan: Freight Handling, posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 20 14:24:30 2013.

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Good read.

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Re: For the Interurban Fan

Posted by CJ on Mon May 20 20:37:52 2013, in response to Re: For the Interurban Fan, posted by Avid Reader on Mon May 20 19:40:09 2013.

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I got information from Trains.com that these were built in 1909 by Standard Steel. They weigh 84-88 tons, are 72 feet long, and seat 76-84 passengers. They use four 175hp Westinghouse dc/ac motors. These cars were retired either in 1954 or 1956.

Go to this link here and you will see more of these cars as well as their closed platform counter parts. You will even see the wooden

http://images.lib.uconn.edu/cdm/search/collection/photographs/searchterm/RRHA/field/all/mode/all/conn/and/page/4

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