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Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue May 14 19:34:07 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 14 18:47:29 2013. Harrison Yard is what we call the area that RVL trains lay-up. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 14 19:34:17 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by J Trainloco on Tue May 14 19:11:16 2013. And yet several RR properties disagree with you. . . or the politicians that run them? Aside from the new cars being bought to replace the Heritage cars, what new cars is Amtrak buying? Read this as far as the single-levels. The intent is to replace all Amfleet and Horizon cars. Strangely, the Amfleet IIs are intended to be the first to go, then the Amfleet Is and after that the Horizons. The only comments on NJT's MLVs in there have to do with number of seats and through train access concerns. Getting rid of the mid-train high-level-only doors means more seats at the mid level. Why would you say that? Looks like memories are short when it comes to the Amtrak vs. BBD lawsuit with respect to the Acela Express. I would have thought that Amtrak going with CAF would have said it all. |
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Posted by J Trainloco on Tue May 14 19:58:00 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 14 19:34:17 2013. Yes, I have read the fleet replacement strategy document. Nowhere in there does it say that CAF is building anything more than the current 130 cars for long distance services. Nowhere in there does it say that CAF is building anything more than that. They do note that they're going to replace EVERYTHING at some point, but they don't say that these cars will match what CAF is building. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue May 14 22:58:10 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Joe V on Tue May 14 19:34:07 2013. That is actually called Hudson Yard... |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed May 15 00:43:00 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue May 14 13:04:34 2013. But there is a happy medium between having not enough cars open and having too many cars open...I agree. A load based rule would have made more sense. Perhaps something like: if all window seats and half the "third seat" of the three seaters are taken in all open cars, open an additional car. The middle seat of the three seaters is useless and crowding things to the point where most aisle seats are full results in passengers opting to stand. In vestibules. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed May 15 00:58:50 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Joe V on Tue May 14 08:25:10 2013. Makes you wonder what that nearly 50% is doing once they reach NWK. I know Newark has become another major job center (my mom commutes there from Long Island, as do a few of her co-workers), but I doubt 50% is staying there in Newark. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed May 15 01:04:29 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Joe V on Tue May 14 14:23:57 2013. I've experienced quite the opposite, though. Especially outbound in the PM. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed May 15 01:06:37 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Joe V on Tue May 14 08:36:55 2013. I really don't think the Gladstone Branch is much of a competition for the RVL, except for maybe portions of Warren and Bridgewater. Other than that, nothing is really convenient. A couple of direct trains would definitely be worth while. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed May 15 01:24:59 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Joe V on Tue May 14 08:42:50 2013. Suburban office parks and mass transit rarely go together, usually because they're not built near railways. Another wonderful design flaw of our country. Either way, I'm of the belief that Amtrak should be running a line from Harrisburg via Allentown to NYC. This could cover Phillipsburg, but in a perfect world NJTransit would operate service to Allentown as well. I think any express run making only a couple of stops after Phillipsburg (Raritan, Newark) would beat the bus. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed May 15 01:34:53 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Joe V on Tue May 14 08:47:32 2013. Perhaps then only an express run from farther out points have a shot. At that point, perhaps its best to just leave ABE area to Amtrak with the hopes of a shorter route between Harrisburg and NYP. Still, I wonder how long it would take the train to run from Pburg to NYP with only a couple of stops along the way. With track upgrades, which would be the fastest routing? Via RVL, Dover? Or what about the abandoned line through Long Valley, or the routing that passes just north of Flemington? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed May 15 01:36:05 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by 3-9 on Tue May 14 06:06:20 2013. Agreed. Honestly, St George could also be expanded for paid ferry service to midtown piers. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed May 15 02:11:23 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Mon May 13 20:18:42 2013. 99.999% of the time, that decision is made by the crew, not management. In fact, there was one time when former NJT executive director Richard Sarles was on an RVL train that left Newark about 30 minutes late due to late connections from NY Penn. The crew decided to appease the riders and not collect the tickets, and Sarles actually turned the crew in... I forget what the puinishment was...I figured it was the crew who makes that call... any punishment for that (beyond a token wrist-slap punishment) would be unreasonable. What sucks is that if a passenger were to write a letter of praise to NJT commending them on their handling of a late train situation that way, they might be getting the crew in trouble. Maybe management needs to watch that pickle video. By punishing blanket free rides and encouraging appeasing the "squeaky wheel" they are screwing over the honest customers both ways. They have created a situation where only jerks get perks. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 15 02:14:27 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed May 15 01:24:59 2013. Indeed. Seems like the bus fans who think they can get a 42-mph average speed in rush hour jam-ups don't think about rush hour express trains. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 15 02:15:55 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed May 15 02:11:23 2013. They have created a situation where only jerks get perksAlso an atmosphere that breeds more jerks. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed May 15 06:38:20 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 15 02:14:27 2013. First you'll have to round up about 600 people west of Raritan on a single frequency to even justify one express train to would comfortably fill 6 MLV cars.The whole west of Raritan loadings for the day are 375, which means the most of the entire Trans Bridge business would have to shift to the RVL, highly unlikely. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed May 15 06:39:49 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed May 15 01:34:53 2013. Washington Secondary would take even longer then Raritan.There isn't a chance in hell NS will let NJT on the LV in New Jersey. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed May 15 06:50:30 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 14 19:34:17 2013. ( 40 additional coaches to expand the existing high speed trainsets portfolioalong with 20 replacement and 22 additional high speed trainsets)Those 40 add-on cars have already been shelved. Amfleet-1 replacements would be a customization of an Acela-II coach. NJT MLV's have unacceptable luggage racks. Horizon cars run in Chicago and California, and will likely be replaced by Surfliner-like cars |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed May 15 06:53:33 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed May 15 02:11:23 2013. I have noticed RVL crews are far more vigilant in collecting tickets, punch seat checks for destination zone, and picking up seat checks once passengers get off than the M&E crews. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed May 15 06:53:52 2013, in response to Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 11 11:37:19 2013. Good luck to them. Long-term, any commuter line with even semi-decent use should be electrified. Until then, use DMs to provide as much direct service to/from NYC as the slots in NYP and GCT (obviously not applicable to NJ) can accommodate. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed May 15 06:55:04 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by AlM on Sat May 11 12:34:36 2013. I think it does. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 15 11:34:58 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by AlM on Sat May 11 12:34:36 2013. Hmm. Perhaps left-leaners ought to not pontificate on "solutions". |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 15 11:38:22 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by MainR3664 on Wed May 15 06:53:52 2013. Long-term, any commuter line with even semi-decent use should be electrifiedNo, there's no cause to electrify "semi-decent" because of not only the cost of infrastructure but also the cost of maintaining the infrastructure. Whether you like to hear it or not, if NYC wasn't so dead-against allowing steam locomotives into Manhattan, the vast majority of commuter rail in and out of the city would be diesel. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed May 15 18:11:53 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed May 15 01:36:05 2013. Agree about the additional ferry service, IMHO. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri May 17 23:01:12 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Joe V on Wed May 15 06:39:49 2013. Curious...are there many people from Jersey working in ABE? Perhaps the best justification for this could be reverse commuters? Otherwise, just run the damn Amtrak train and leave it be |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat May 18 19:21:18 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri May 17 23:01:12 2013. J&J moved some jobs from Somerset County into Penna, but don't think such a reverse peak train would solve their needs. Otherwise, no. |
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