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Posted by Ian Lennon on Mon Aug 1 00:25:43 2005 I found an urban explorer website. While browsing I found photos of an abandoned IND area. It appears to be a Second System area, but does not say where it is. There are also photos of the abandoned side of the Centre Street Subway. Anyone know where this abandoned Second System area is?http://ltvsquad.com/Missions/Tunnels/Subways/LargeEntrance/index.php |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Mon Aug 1 01:27:12 2005, in response to Interesting Find, posted by Ian Lennon on Mon Aug 1 00:25:43 2005. I figured I had to bring this to the top again. It got buried in literal shit about who said what. This is actually about the NYC Subway believe it or not. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 1 01:34:03 2005, in response to Interesting Find, posted by Ian Lennon on Mon Aug 1 00:25:43 2005. The would be Roosevelt Avenue I believe - can't get there from here any longer. They finally sealed it off ... |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 01:35:35 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by Ian Lennon on Mon Aug 1 01:27:12 2005. It's a nice bunch of photos. But if it doesn't say where, it's difficult to discuss it. Saying Centre Street Subway is fine. But without knowing where, the thread will eventually get flammed. It's happened before. |
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Posted by 7 to Main St on Mon Aug 1 01:36:02 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by Ian Lennon on Mon Aug 1 01:27:12 2005. I hope you realize not everybody is up now.As for that "It got buried in literal shit about who said what", the topic was good before he kept bothering me about something I was not talking to him about. Anyway's, I wish those pics were bigger. :/ Wouldn't that station just be a closed off area from an existing station...? I know one other station(half built, no tiles, NOTHING) was found. |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Mon Aug 1 01:36:56 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 1 01:34:03 2005. Thank you Selkirk. I was not sure, being that I have never seen those paticular areas before. |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Mon Aug 1 01:39:04 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 01:35:35 2005. I know it's not the Centre Street Subway, my fault for not choosing my words better. I mentioned the Centre Street Subway, becasue there is a section showing the abandoned platforms. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 01:39:17 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 1 01:34:03 2005. From the ramp east of the booth there is a ramp and passageway and at the end of it you can get a glimse of the unused platform. I don't know if there is another exit down there. |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Mon Aug 1 01:42:35 2005, in response to Interesting Find, posted by Ian Lennon on Mon Aug 1 00:25:43 2005. If you go to the main index, you can find all sorts of subway stuff. Some are abandoned, and others active. I found the 63rd St. Broadway side, and the City Hall Lower Level. I also found a layup area that appears to be the tracks beyond 179th Street. Maybe this guy will find 76th street! LOL!!! |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 01:46:54 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by Ian Lennon on Mon Aug 1 01:39:04 2005. There are alot of abondoned platforms in the subway.But it's pointless to talk about them unless you know where they are. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 1 01:48:55 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by Ian Lennon on Mon Aug 1 01:36:56 2005. I worked for NYCTA back in the 70's and I had no idea it was there either. "Douce" says you can still see it from near one of the booths in another reply here, so maybe it's worth an outing. You won't get up there, but maybe you can peer with a flashlight and make the cops nervous. :) |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Mon Aug 1 01:49:52 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 01:46:54 2005. The point I was making is that maybe somebody does know, and could shed some light on it. I had a feeling that those pics I asked about were Roosevelt, but didn't want to assume that they were. That is why I asked, and got the answer I was looking for. It also provides us with some pics that we have never seen before. So exactly what part of that is pointless? |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 01:53:08 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by Ian Lennon on Mon Aug 1 01:36:56 2005. I don't think it's Roosevelt Ave. From the unused platform to the mezzazine is a ramp. Not a staircase.And when you actually get to see the tiled walls from the long passageway, I think you're at the N/E of the station. I think when you get to the top of the ramp. you're at the S/E and the bumper blocks are behind the walls. |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Mon Aug 1 01:53:47 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 1 01:48:55 2005. Well, I am moving back "Home" Sept. 30th. I think I might just make an outing, it is long overdue. No more palm trees for me! |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 01:57:28 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by 7 to Main St on Mon Aug 1 01:36:02 2005. 7, Lets keep what we were talking about in the other room IN the other room. If no one is up now, they will be tomorrow.The passageway is used now an employee facility area with differnt TA departments having office space there.. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 02:00:29 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by Ian Lennon on Mon Aug 1 01:49:52 2005. Like I said these pics have been seen in here before. I don't remember where. But someone else probably does. I don't think it's Roosevelt Avenue and I explained why somewhere else. But it'll be explained. Probably not tonight. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 1 02:06:48 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 01:53:08 2005. You're RIGHT ... You might remember those guys from subtalk - the Russian kid and the spraypainters a few years ago - that's who did those. I thought from the description and knowing the site that Ian had caught the "Roosevelt" station shell but these photos (now that I waited for it all to load) aren't it ...The center railing and token booth says "IRT" and we can be sure that it ain't 91st, and it ain't 18th ... maybe it's the remains of the old BMT MYRT station perhaps? It doesn't look IND ... |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 02:06:53 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 1 01:48:55 2005. Not near a booth.From the booth that used to be on the mezzazine level, you walk past where the HEETS were, Up a ramp and walk down a pssageway. At the end of the passageway there is a small fence and behind it is the tiled subway wall. It might be worth it for an outing. Not a whole group. Just 1-2 people. If you're asked what you're doing back there, Just say you're looking for the employee's toilet. I noticed no gaps in the booth numbers at Roosevelt and at Elmhurst. So I don't think there is a booth back there. |
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Posted by 7 to Main St on Mon Aug 1 02:07:32 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 01:57:28 2005. "7, Lets keep what we were talking about in the other room IN the other room."While that is true and I agree, I just wanted to explain why it was like that and not leave him clueless. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 02:10:21 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 1 02:06:48 2005. I don't know where the pics were taken. But I'm sure they WEREN'T taken at Roosevelt Avenue. If I had to make a wild guess, Maybe the S/E of Atlantic on the IRT. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 1 02:10:37 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by Ian Lennon on Mon Aug 1 01:53:47 2005. Heh. Like I just said to "Douce" that ISN'T Roosevelt ... looks "IRT" to me and the cemented-over entrances ... well, 91st and 18th come to mind, but neither of those has lowers or mezzanines ... might be the abandoned BMT Myrt, could also be an abandoned station somewhere on the lower east side although none come to mind. Probably Brooklyn ...And I *know* the LTV squad ain't around anymore so can't ask them. A couple of them used to hang out on subtalk but got tired of taking insults from others and vanished. :( About the ONLY place you might even find out would be the "Fun Factory" is it? There's a "grafitti museum" near Astoria/LIC somewhere where these kids hung out ... maybe someone there might know ... |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 02:13:32 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by 7 to Main St on Mon Aug 1 02:07:32 2005. We're talking about something different in here.If Ian wants to know what happened elsewhere, he'll find it. It's not THAT difficult to find. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 1 02:14:14 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 02:10:21 2005. Your guess is better than mine. Never saw anyplace quite like that even WHEN I had the keys to the terlet. :)Definitely has that IRT look to it, but then again the ceiling arches look IND. But the tiling looks BMT. Giving me a headache it is. Heh. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 1 02:15:29 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 02:13:32 2005. I believe he bumped his original post because it was all about to rise over his hipwaders. :) |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 02:16:23 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 1 02:10:37 2005. Let's wait until other people respond to this thread.Most people are asleep now and we can't have this thread hogged up by 3 people. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 02:18:33 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 1 02:14:14 2005. So lay down for a while or have a beer or whatever and watch the late movie. Maybe someone in the morning will know where the pics were taken. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 1 02:19:02 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 02:16:23 2005. But it's SO typical lately. :(I'm leaning more and more towards IRT despite the TILES looking so IND and BMT. The STAIR railings as well as the shape of the stairs ... the SAD part though is that I knew a couple of those kids casually and for THIS one, nobody's going to be there like the mystery photos to answer within ... a lifetime perhaps. SO ... I'm going to say it's SEVENTY-SIXTH STREET. (grin) |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 02:20:14 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 1 02:15:29 2005. Hopefully no one wants to bring the discussion from the other thread into this one. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 02:22:01 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 1 02:19:02 2005. We wont find out who's right until monday. We won't solve it tonight. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 02:25:27 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by Ian Lennon on Mon Aug 1 01:42:35 2005. Beyond 179 Street there is a 2 level lay-up location with 4 tracks on each level. A year and a half ago I spoke to one of the workers who said he worked on building it. He never noticed or heard about a station past 179. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 1 02:27:06 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 02:18:33 2005. No beer for me until after 10AM when I go off duty. Ya see? I'm on DUTY now ... only reason I hang out HERE all night myself is that I have to do daily battle with computer wooden horsies, and after I trap each one, gotta do a database crunch on it. Compiler takes a few minutes, so I play on this screen while waiting to move on to the next one.But a BEER .... mmmmmmmmm. (slap! not NOW!) ... :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 1 02:28:37 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 02:25:27 2005. It's 76th Street, dammit! :) |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 02:30:19 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 1 02:28:37 2005. You say this, I say that. It won't be resolved tonight. >g< |
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Posted by VictorM on Mon Aug 1 02:43:18 2005, in response to Interesting Find, posted by Ian Lennon on Mon Aug 1 00:25:43 2005. I think it's the abandoned end of the 21 St Van Alst Av station on the G. There was a post (and picture) about that wooden token booth a while back on this site or on subtalk. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 02:45:01 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by VictorM on Mon Aug 1 02:43:18 2005. It wasn't a wooden booth shown in the picture. |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Mon Aug 1 02:51:58 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 02:25:27 2005. There are no pics of a station past 179th, just tracks that end with R-46's laid up on them. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 02:56:18 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by Ian Lennon on Mon Aug 1 02:51:58 2005. Not just R46's.Also whatever consists were available at Jamaica or Coney Island yards. |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Mon Aug 1 03:14:17 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 02:56:18 2005. I'm talking about certain pics, which show R-46's, nothing else. Have you actually gone to the home page, and looked at all the pictures I am talking about? There are a lot more than what I attempted to link. |
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Posted by VictorM on Mon Aug 1 03:25:10 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 02:45:01 2005. The front of the booth appears to be wooden. I do remember that it looks exactly like the one that was identified as 21 - Van Alst. |
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Posted by monorail on Mon Aug 1 03:39:32 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by VictorM on Mon Aug 1 02:43:18 2005. 21 st Street sounds goodit's not roosevelt ave or myrtle ave it might be Broadway on the G line northend of station, beyond the station is fencing a ramp is visible beyond.....haven't been behind this fence yet while in flagging, I was able to visit many unused areas this one does not look familiar |
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Posted by JBar387 on Mon Aug 1 04:22:42 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by monorail on Mon Aug 1 03:39:32 2005. I'm certin it's the crosstown line too. The "To All Trains" in green is tells me it. I think it is Broadway. |
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Posted by JBar387 on Mon Aug 1 04:27:46 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by JBar387 on Mon Aug 1 04:22:42 2005. Oh BTW I do know 65th Street, Near the South End of the station. Eventhough it is sealed do have wooden booths. But since the Green tiling is in a photo. I'm Thinking Crosstown. |
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Posted by Allan on Mon Aug 1 08:28:06 2005, in response to Interesting Find, posted by Ian Lennon on Mon Aug 1 00:25:43 2005. Unka Kevin, Douce - don't you ever go to sleep? I don't think I have seen so many threads where the conversation is between 2 or 3 people - ever hear of a telephone?Anyway, the pictures on the site are both nice and extremely disturbing. The disturbing part is they can get into the places without being detected or seriously challenged. Call me paranoid, an alarmist or whatever (OK you can stop now) but it is difficult enough being a railfan and getting the powers that be to take us seriously and accept us without those clowns doing illegal trespassing and boasting about it to the world (wide web). |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Aug 1 08:51:51 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by JBar387 on Mon Aug 1 04:22:42 2005. Maybe those are photos of passageways leading to the S. 4th Street shell. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 1 09:36:59 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by Allan on Mon Aug 1 08:28:06 2005. Call me paranoid, an alarmist or whatever (OK you can stop now) but it is difficult enough being a railfan and getting the powers that be to take us seriously and accept us without those clowns doing illegal trespassing and boasting about it to the world (wide web).They are urban explorers, not railfans. I think the powers that be know the difference. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 10:14:50 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by Ian Lennon on Mon Aug 1 03:14:17 2005. Have you actually been to 179 Street to look at the trains there? |
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Posted by Allan on Mon Aug 1 10:16:53 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 1 09:36:59 2005. I wasn't aware that being an urban explorer gave one license to trespass. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 1 10:20:45 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by Allan on Mon Aug 1 10:16:53 2005. It doesn't. But Urban Explorers do not reflect negatively upon railfans, as you seemed to be suggesting. Railfans are very much out in the open and deal with the powers that be when necessary. Urban explorer just do what they want and don't care about anything. So I don't think that Railfans would get trouble from the powers that be because of the actions of urban explorers. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 10:22:47 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Aug 1 08:51:51 2005. I've seen pics of the platforms at South 4th in here.It wouldn't make sense to have bare concrete platforms and tiled mezzazines and passageways. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 10:25:04 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by VictorM on Mon Aug 1 02:43:18 2005. Someone should find that old pic at 21/Van Alst and post it next to the pic on the site that Ian mentioned. |
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