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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Oct 28 08:15:36 2012, in response to Re: Does the J Train need a Third Track?, posted by Edwards! on Sat Oct 27 22:17:44 2012. CHECK THESE OUT, PERHAPS THESE WILL HELP   
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 28 08:35:40 2012, in response to Re: Does the J Train need a Third Track?, posted by Edwards! on Sat Oct 27 22:17:44 2012. But that does not occur on the curve between Woodhaven Blvd & Forest Pkwy, which is about as sharp. Woodhaven Blvd station also has indicators of conversion to an express stop). |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 28 08:37:07 2012, in response to Re: Does the J Train need a Third Track?, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Oct 28 08:15:36 2012. Where is the first photo ? ( I forget how awful the area looked.I miss Lewis of Woodhaven, and its creeky planked floors. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 28 08:44:03 2012, in response to Re: Does the J Train need a Third Track?, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Oct 28 07:41:18 2012. It was a terminus for a year after 1917. Then turnback for Lex Ave el trains, or just storage, even in 168th Street days. However, I never remember seeing anything stored at Crescent st. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Oct 28 09:21:50 2012, in response to Re: Does the J Train need a Third Track?, posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 28 08:44:03 2012. I DO. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Oct 28 09:23:46 2012, in response to Re: Does the J Train need a Third Track?, posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 28 08:37:07 2012. sutphin blvd. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Oct 28 17:58:23 2012, in response to Re: Does the J Train need a Third Track?, posted by shiznit1987 on Sat Oct 27 17:15:48 2012. I think they want to keep the routes of the J and Z identical, with the only difference between them being which stations are skipped during skip-stop operation. Otherwise, if one was a true express and the other wasn't, the people at stations served by the local would complain, and they would transfer to the express at Broadway Junction, causing unbalanced loading of the trains. |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Oct 29 17:09:47 2012, in response to Re: Does the J Train need a Third Track?, posted by tunnelrat on Sun Oct 28 09:21:50 2012. I saw equipment for 76th Street stored there. There I am, starting something... |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Oct 29 17:13:13 2012, in response to Re: Does the J Train need a Third Track?, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Oct 25 19:22:02 2012. Then as now, that decision was deferred until they decided how they were going to deal with the structure from Alabama to Cypress Hills.If the IND QB hadn't been built, I would expect an express track there right now. |
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Posted by grand concourse on Mon Oct 29 19:02:46 2012, in response to Re: Does the J Train need a Third Track?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 25 19:38:59 2012. Well, if this is all a hypothetical, why not make Woodhaven a 2 island platform 3 track station and build a single track el from Cypress to Alabama via Jamaica av? If that doesn't entice people to pick the (Z) over the (E), then nothing will. :) |
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Posted by grand concourse on Mon Oct 29 19:05:21 2012, in response to Re: Does the J Train need a Third Track?, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Oct 26 07:38:59 2012. That would've been great. Also converting Woodhaven into an express stop could be done to appease the residents of that area to deal with the middle track 'blocking out their sunlight'. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Oct 29 20:03:11 2012, in response to Re: Does the J Train need a Third Track?, posted by grand concourse on Mon Oct 29 19:02:46 2012. Hypothetically you would install the center track from the portals, all the way to Cypress Hills. If so , you have my support.I think an el, like that used for the AIRTRAIN, would be quick, and quite. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Sun Jul 17 18:32:26 2016, in response to Re: Does the J Train need a Third Track?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Oct 27 14:18:00 2012. I am unable to tell if this is true from the following document I found online.http://www.bmt-lines.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/jamaica.pdf I sure hope it is true. |
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Re: Does the J Train need a Third Track? [Link] |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Sun Jul 17 18:34:01 2016, in response to Re: Does the J Train need a Third Track?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Oct 27 14:18:00 2012. Construction of Foundations and Structures Section 1, Jamaica Line |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Sun Jul 17 18:38:18 2016, in response to Re: Does the J Train need a Third Track?, posted by Edwards! on Fri Oct 26 12:57:41 2012. Do you have any other information on it? Are there any newspaper articles that you know of? |
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Jamaica Third Track Proposals 1960s |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Sun Jul 17 18:55:21 2016, in response to Re: Does the J Train need a Third Track?, posted by Union Tpke on Sun Jul 17 18:38:18 2016. Never mind, I found evidence.Jamaica Third Track Article 1 Jamaica Third Track Article 2 Jamaica Third Track Article 3 Jamaica Third Track Article 4 Jamaica Third Track Article 5 Jamaica Third Track Article 6 Jamaica Third Track Article 7 Jamaica Third Track Article 8 Jamaica Third Track Article 9 Jamaica Third Track Article 10 |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 17 19:59:12 2016, in response to Re: Does the J Train need a Third Track?, posted by Union Tpke on Sun Jul 17 18:32:26 2016. Here we go again resurrecting an old thread. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Sun Jul 17 20:58:05 2016, in response to Re: Does the J Train need a Third Track?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 17 19:59:12 2016. It is relevant and it is a common enough practice here. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 17 21:12:38 2016, in response to Re: Does the J Train need a Third Track?, posted by Union Tpke on Sun Jul 17 20:58:05 2016. Ok, good. |
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Posted by renee gil on Sun Jul 17 21:52:11 2016, in response to Re: Does the J Train need a Third Track?, posted by Union Tpke on Sun Jul 17 20:58:05 2016. Exactly. |
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Posted by renee gil on Sun Jul 17 22:36:53 2016, in response to Re: Does the J Train need a Third Track?, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Oct 28 08:15:36 2012. the bottom 3 pictures were taken in 1979. |
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Posted by renee gil on Sun Jul 17 22:43:13 2016, in response to Re: Does the J Train need a Third Track?, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Oct 28 08:15:36 2012. BTW, excellent pictures. When J trains terminated at Queens Blvd Station, the El continued past that station and stub ended at the west side of Sutphin Blvd & Jamaica Ave. J trains were stored on those tracks just past the now-demolished Queens Blvd Station. Remember it very clearly. |
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Re: Does the J Train need a Third Track? [Link] |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jul 18 15:19:20 2016, in response to Re: Does the J Train need a Third Track? [Link], posted by Union Tpke on Sun Jul 17 18:34:01 2016. The only thing I can’t figure out is why there were no provisions for any express stations anywhere along the line. Even though a center track was never installed, I would think that certain stations of relative importance like possibly Woodhaven Blvd or Sutphin Blvd would have been constructed like WYckoff/Myrtle with a provision for express service. The Liberty Av extension of the Fulton St el similarly lacked provisions for express service even though the portion of the Fulton St El between Franklin and Atlantic did run express service. |
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Re: Jamaica Third Track Proposals 1960s |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Jul 18 17:18:00 2016, in response to Jamaica Third Track Proposals 1960s, posted by Union Tpke on Sun Jul 17 18:55:21 2016. NIMBYs win again. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Jul 18 20:19:33 2016, in response to Re: Jamaica Third Track Proposals 1960s, posted by italianstallion on Mon Jul 18 17:18:00 2016. Groceries were nice. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jul 18 20:49:56 2016, in response to Re: Jamaica Third Track Proposals 1960s, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Jul 18 20:19:33 2016. Any local articles about 76th Street? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jul 18 21:35:48 2016, in response to Re: Does the J Train need a Third Track?, posted by tunnelrat on Sun Oct 28 09:21:50 2012. i can remember a train of B'way-Bklyn Local Standards layed up on that center track over Crescent St. |
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Posted by mike cruz on Mon Jul 18 23:20:53 2016, in response to Jamaica Third Track Proposals 1960s, posted by Union Tpke on Sun Jul 17 18:55:21 2016. I'm curious what the exact diagonal route would have been. |
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Re:Could segments be removed? Does the J Train need a Third Track? |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue Jul 19 11:01:50 2016, in response to Re: Does the J Train need a Third Track?, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jul 18 21:35:48 2016. Could segments of the unused center track of the Myrtle Avenue el structure be removed and applied to the Jamaica Avenue el?They appear to be of the "Box Girder type" , but alas, I seek expert opinion as to the possibility. Only if the donor structure is not put in jeopardy. 
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Re:Could segments be removed? Does the J Train need a Third Track? |
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Posted by Dan on Tue Jul 19 11:25:38 2016, in response to Re:Could segments be removed? Does the J Train need a Third Track?, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Jul 19 11:01:50 2016. When was the center track on the Myrtle east of Broadway removed? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 19 11:54:32 2016, in response to Does the J Train need a Third Track?, posted by E and F and sometimes J on Thu Oct 25 15:53:42 2012. I say the J needs a fourth track too, and make the Z the full-time express. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jul 19 15:01:21 2016, in response to Re: Does the J Train need a Third Track?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 19 11:54:32 2016. Why 4 tracks? Woodhaven and Jamaica neighborhoods have gone downhill, along with Cypress Hills. No need for any reverse commuting along Jamaica Ave. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 19 15:11:18 2016, in response to Re: Does the J Train need a Third Track?, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jul 19 15:01:21 2016. Jamaica will gentrify. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jul 19 15:25:46 2016, in response to Re: Jamaica Third Track Proposals 1960s, posted by mike cruz on Mon Jul 18 23:20:53 2016. From what I have been able to glean from reading the articles, it seems that it would have been unnecessarily long. It seems that it would have branched off the Fulton St portion of the line in the area of Cleveland St and connected to the Jamaica Av structure around Elderts Lane. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jul 19 15:46:45 2016, in response to Re: Does the J Train need a Third Track?, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 19 15:11:18 2016. Almost everything near a subway will gentrify. There are all these people earning good money at jobs in Manhattan, and the ones without families hate having to commute from Peekskill or some other remote place just because it's affordable. |
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Posted by Dan on Tue Jul 19 17:12:00 2016, in response to Re: Does the J Train need a Third Track?, posted by AlM on Tue Jul 19 15:46:45 2016. Not to put down Queens but Peekskill is a much nicer place to live than Jamaica. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 19 22:43:17 2016, in response to Re: Does the J Train need a Third Track?, posted by AlM on Tue Jul 19 15:46:45 2016. The ones without family are the majority as women a opposed to motherhood. |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Wed Jul 20 02:36:27 2016, in response to Re: Jamaica Third Track Proposals 1960s, posted by mike cruz on Mon Jul 18 23:20:53 2016. Mikey, imagine how different the neighborhood would have looked? I seem to remember people always pushing for the Rockaway LIRR, and better J service. In our time in Woodhaven, it made sense that they didn't do anything. They could barely make service, let alone expand. The only reason the 70's crap got finished, is because the Feds made them. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jul 20 13:05:07 2016, in response to Re: Does the J Train need a Third Track?, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 19 15:11:18 2016. I doubt it. The former shopping district on Jamaica Ave has disappeared. |
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