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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Oct 7 00:31:56 2012, in response to WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Oct 7 00:25:18 2012. Yay...another R160. Ready to be hosed out after that drunk or skell or stabbing victim lets loose with their bodily fluids. Way to raise the bar Metro. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Oct 7 01:01:46 2012, in response to WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Oct 7 00:25:18 2012. good, they figured out they are the subway. BART should order clones. |
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Posted by Mr. MTA on Sun Oct 7 02:13:23 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Oct 7 00:31:56 2012. Hey that must be why the R160's on the Q train smell strange sometimes! |
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Posted by chud1 on Sun Oct 7 05:12:20 2012, in response to WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Oct 7 00:25:18 2012. looks good.chud1 |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Oct 7 06:34:42 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Oct 7 00:31:56 2012. Yay...another R160. Ready to be hosed out after that drunk or skell or stabbing victim lets loose with their bodily fluids. Way to raise the bar Metro.Carpet on transit trains are a cleaning nightmare, which includes bodily fluids. Mopping is cheaper and faster. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Oct 7 06:37:55 2012, in response to WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Oct 7 00:25:18 2012. WMATA finally grows a brain and orders rail cars built with a body made of stainless steel and not brushed aluminum.Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Oct 7 07:18:17 2012, in response to WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Oct 7 00:25:18 2012. In my opinion this is nothing to get all excited about. This is the same piece equipment we were teased with 7 months ago. Only difference, it is now on WMATA property allowing more folks within the agency to see it and critique it.Original tease. Railcar Toured By GM Richard Sarles B roll. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Oct 7 07:33:37 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Oct 7 07:18:17 2012. Not only that, but subway cars are becoming very generic like buses in that the designs are not unque from city to city.The R160's, the new PATH cars, now these, are virtual clones of each other. Slmost like "off the shelf". |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Oct 7 07:35:48 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Oct 7 00:31:56 2012. Good make them all identical. Economies of scale will drive costs DOWN. |
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Posted by Dave on Sun Oct 7 07:38:36 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by RockParkMan on Sun Oct 7 07:35:48 2012. Keep telling yourself that. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 7 07:46:42 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Oct 7 00:31:56 2012. Would you rather be on telescopic, aero-aluminum toy trains that they have now ?The best MDBF that they can muster is on the 6K's, which is about 90,000 miles, as bad as a 48 year old R32. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 7 07:48:13 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Oct 7 07:18:17 2012. And I think they have made the decision to get more 7K's rather than rebuild the 4K's to be compatible, which are currently junk. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 7 07:53:20 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Oct 7 07:33:37 2012. The PATH cars are significantly diffrent structurally. Being FRA compliant, they have to withstand 400K lbs of buffer strength. A TA car only about 200K lbs.We are not at the point that a new car order for Baltimore, Miami, PATCO, MBTA Red, or a NY R211 would be a clone of a WMATA car. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Oct 7 08:02:24 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 7 07:53:20 2012. Just refering to appearance, not structure. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Oct 7 08:17:46 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Oct 7 07:33:37 2012. And announcements to death! |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Oct 7 08:28:16 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 7 07:48:13 2012. And I think they have made the decision to get more 7K's rather than rebuild the 4K's to be compatible, which are currently junk.To be precise, there has been a proposal to replace the 4k cars one for one with 7k cars instead rehabilitating them to be compatible with the 7k cars. The only advantage I can think of for rehabilitating 4k cars, provided they are not rehabilitated into 4 car sets, is the ability to run them with 7k cars in 6 car trains. As far as I know WMATA has not exercised any options one way or the other beyond the 164 "serial production". WMATA will at some time in the future have to replace the rest of the aluminum rolling stock. Replacing them with nothing but 4 car sets will make it imposable to run 6 car trains. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by chud1 on Sun Oct 7 09:56:38 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Oct 7 07:18:17 2012. excellent video'schud1 |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 7 11:14:45 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Oct 7 07:33:37 2012. Aren't custom designs a greater capital expense to the public, in theory? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 7 11:17:34 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Oct 7 08:28:16 2012. Imagine a wreck with a 6 car train of 4 7000's and 2 rather weak 4000's in the lead. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Oct 7 12:28:51 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Oct 7 06:34:42 2012. First the DC Metro is supposed to be a premium service for the premium riders that live in DC and its surrounds. Second there are ways to make a hybrid transit/commuter rail vehicle look better than an NYC subway car even with hard floors. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sun Oct 7 12:30:14 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 7 11:17:34 2012. If you're worried about it ride on one of the 7000's. My guess is most people won't know or care. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Oct 7 12:31:35 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 7 07:46:42 2012. Yes, yes I wound. If I wanted to ride an R160 I'd go to New York. The DC Metro cars run in a different contest and need to project a different atmosphere for the 53%ers that use it. Just like BART and the LIRR. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Oct 7 12:35:22 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 7 11:17:34 2012. Imagine a wreck with a 6 car train of 4 7000's and 2 rather weak 4000's in the lead.I imagine a system where the signaling system is meticulously maintained to designed specification to prevent collision. I would rather have a signaling system that function 100 percent of the time then one that function 99.999 percent of the time. No amount of crash worthiness will prevent death or injury in a wost case scenario. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Oct 7 13:16:54 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Oct 7 12:35:22 2012. yes!!! |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Oct 7 13:33:58 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 7 11:17:34 2012. 4Ks are NOT weak. Look at the shot Breda 4018 took in the kisser on 11/04/2004 at Woodley Park. She was back on the road inside of six months. The other car (Rohr 1077)? Telescoped all the way back to the centre door.wayne |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sun Oct 7 13:53:18 2012, in response to WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Oct 7 00:25:18 2012. As I have said before, I am very disappointed that they did not go with a 4-door-per-side design based on the R-46. The 3-door arrangement will remain a bottleneck. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 7 14:23:47 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Oct 7 12:31:35 2012. People don't care what the train looks like from the outside. They want a reliable, SAFE ride in a comfortable seat. For the former 2, WMATA doesn't deliver. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 7 14:25:16 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Oct 7 13:33:58 2012. Compare the 4K to a 7K. No contest. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 7 14:26:13 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sun Oct 7 13:53:18 2012. Bigger bottleneck is to always stop at the 8 car marker, though with all 8 car trains, that problem could go away. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Oct 7 14:44:47 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sun Oct 7 13:53:18 2012. As I have said before, I am very disappointed that they did not go with a 4-door-per-side design based on the R-46. The 3-door arrangement will remain a bottleneck.That idea was rejected because of the loss of seating capacity. The solution in not more doors, the solution is more cars. I have said it multiple times here and in other forums, WMATA has had a rolling stock shortage sense the opening of the Huntington station on 12 17 1983. WMATA doesn't have rolling stock in sufficient numbers to exploit the full capacity of the signaling system. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by zuckie13 on Sun Oct 7 17:25:49 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 7 14:26:13 2012. That problem could also go away if an operator could be trusted to remember their train length and stop at the correct marker... |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sun Oct 7 17:29:40 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Oct 7 14:44:47 2012. Seating capacity IS NOT the issue it was 37 years ago. When the system was designed, any notion that the ridership pattern would ever deviate from suburbs-downtown-and-back and circulating tourists between the Zoo and the monument core was quickly eradicated. (As plainly evidenced by the 2-track construction and routes.) Today, there is way, way more utilization by customers going only a few stops within the District. No one ever imagined there would be attractions and nightlife like Verizon Center or Nats Park. Or that anything east of Connecticut Avenue or south of Pennsylvania would ever become desirable neighborhoods and destinations. The handful of extra seats in a 3-door versus 4-door car configuration is meaningless in today's reality of the system not being a convenience for suburbanites.And, as far as there being a car shortage, that was a conscious decision on Metro's part. You have said so yourself. While the stations were built for 600' trains, the power grid was not and still is not capable of supporting them. Without the requisite power, those cars would just be collecting dust. Oh, wait...there isn't yard capacity for them, either. WMATA needs to wake the f* up and get real about the future. I am sick and tired of the constant whining about "there's no money!" Forget about the master plans from 40 and 50 years ago. Put together a goddamned master plan of what is needed to address the present day's conditions and needs, and then push to make it happen. Things like 2 new 24/7 4-track trunks coming through the center of town (one east-west and the other north-south, with connectors allowing regular service between them and the existing routes). Upgrading power generation so 8-car consists could run at all times on all routes. Extend the system to Centreville, Woodbridge, Laurel, Bowie, Upper Marlboro, and Waldorf. Implement night-owl bus service that traces the existing subway routes, and key travel corridors to encourage people to use transit over driving. The reason "there is no money" is that the public has not been engaged. With the green push, and various groups promoting "car free" and "car lite" lifestyles, this is the perfect time to get these things out there for people to make them priorities. The money will come once it's clear there is money to be made building it. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 7 17:47:24 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sun Oct 7 17:29:40 2012. What about extend the Red up along the MARC Brunswick line a little further past Gaithersburg and build a small yard ? |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Oct 7 19:02:45 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by zuckie13 on Sun Oct 7 17:25:49 2012. That problem could also go away if an operator could be trusted to remember their train length and stop at the correct marker...The problem should be solved by finishing the upgrades and replacement of the hardware the resulted in the 06 22 2009 Fort Totten wreck, then meticulously maintaining that hardware to designed specification so full automatic operation can be reestablished. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Oct 7 20:21:24 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sun Oct 7 17:29:40 2012. And, as far as there being a car shortage, that was a conscious decision on Metro's part. You have said so yourself. While the stations were built for 600' trains, the power grid was not and still is not capable of supporting them. Without the requisite power, those cars would just be collecting dust.The traction power distribution system was built to accommodate 8 car trains that had a potential gross weight of roughly 834,400 lbs, The majority of the rolling stock today has an 8 car train gross weight in the neighborhood of 896,000 lbs. Add to that the fact that the upgraded and newer rolling stock with all the bell and whistle consumes more power then the primitive preupgraded rolling stock. The traction power distribution system as I wright this has had most of the substations upgraded to accommodate those higher power requirements. Oh, wait...there isn't yard capacity for them, either. As to yard storage capacity, have you bothered to look at my track schematic, If you exclude the yard at Dulles Airport the capacity of storage tracks in all of the exiting yards is 1,453 that number is some what conservative as I did not count the tracks outside the shop buildings that are also used in some yards to store cars on. Add 68 if you include the tail tracks beyond Franconia-Springfield, Huntington, Largo and Vienna. The total is something north of 1,550, add Dulles Yard to the total you get something over 1,774. The exising fleet size is slightly short of 1,118. After all the options on the 7k cars are delivered the fleet size will be slightly short of 1,338. Yard storage capacity is not an issue. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Oct 7 20:28:50 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Oct 7 12:28:51 2012. Third, DC riders only care about getting from point A to point B and on time. They could care less about carpets.Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Oct 7 20:55:28 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 7 17:47:24 2012. What about extend the Red up along the MARC Brunswick line a little further past Gaithersburg and build a small yard ?Yard capacity is not an issue see 1180325. The 1968 ARS show a "future" extension north of Shady Grove to Germantown. Of the 9 "future" extensions shown on the map one has been built and opened, Largo. One has the first phase under construction. Dulles and will go beyond what was shown on the map. 3 will likely never get built. Lincolnia via Columbia Pike, light rail is being planed for that corridor. Burke, VRE runs in that corridor and Brandywine, light rail in envisioned for that corridor and will go beyond to Waldorf. Interestingly one of the terminal on the map shows no future extension but was built with provision for a future extension Glenmont.  John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Oct 7 21:32:21 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Oct 7 20:55:28 2012. Wasn't there a proposal for Baltimore Metro to build an extension to Laurel which would connect w/ WMATA? Think I remember reading it somewhere. Would've been cool, basically an interurban via heavy rail. I suspect that would never happen now on either side, w/ MARC now in the picture. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Oct 7 21:39:02 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sun Oct 7 17:29:40 2012. Things like 2 new 24/7 4-track trunks coming through the center of townI've never understood the weird obsession with 4 track lines. If anything, I'm leaning toward a combined S-Bahn/streetcar solution. In other words, WMATA as the heavy intra-regional service, and the streetcar providing local service on heavily used corridors within the urban core. Admittedly, that leaves MARC and VRE to serve outlying areas with lower density, and to provide some degree of "express" service within areas that have WMATA service. Centreville, Woodbridge, Laurel, Bowie, Upper Marlboro, and Waldorf FWIW, I'd argue that making MARC and VRE suck less would be better options. Centreville is admittedly easy enough as an extension of the Orange Line, but the other locations are way too low density for the high intensity capital expense of WMATA. |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Oct 7 22:56:39 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 7 07:53:20 2012. Being FRA compliant, they have to withstand 400K lbs of buffer strength.Where is this federal regulation? I cannot find any reference to any specific buff loading requirements the FRA has developed for PATH. All I can find is that PATH is waivered and that it appears to be entirely up to the Port Authority or maybe the FTA as to what the specific buff loading requirement will be. A TA car only about 200K lbs. Actually the the R131s were 400klbs as well. It seems likely they would have retained that requirement from the NTT prototypes to the production cars, particularly with the shorter length of the R143/160/179. We are not at the point that a new car order for Baltimore, Miami, PATCO, MBTA Red, or a NY R211 would be a clone of a WMATA car. Of those properties it's WMATA with a loading gauge that is radically different from the others. Baltimore, Miami, and LA (admittedly you did not mention that last one) all operate the same basic car design. Whether those other systems would be able to operate cars reduced to the respective lengths of the other properties' loading gauges without an enormous change to other measurements (as would be required for WMATA with lower platform height, lower roof height and so on) would remain to be seen. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Mon Oct 8 07:55:43 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Oct 7 21:32:21 2012. Wasn't there a proposal for Baltimore Metro to build an extension to Laurel which would connect w/ WMATA? Think I remember reading it somewhere. Would've been cool, basically an interurban via heavy rail.In the 1970s ideas like that were tossed about. Even if Baltimore had fully built out the originally planned 71 mile system and expanded to reach the WMATA compact border, through service on shared track would have never happened. The two railroad have different load gauges and platform heights. An idea that was related to me by some one at WMATA was to build a common terminal with cross platform transfers. I suspect that would never happen now on either side, w/ MARC now in the picture. The commuter rail service between the two cities predates the original proposals to build the two systems. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Mon Oct 8 11:46:57 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Oct 7 21:39:02 2012. It is not a weird obsession. 4-track eliminates the 20-30 minute delays that result from single-tracking. The side benefit of that is allowing for 24/7 operation, which in all likelihood will become an economic imperative, if not a requirement here in the next 15-20 years. Without it, the region's growth will be stymied, if not completely undermined.The other areas are growing very rapidly as a result of rapidly increasing housing costs in the District and the immediate suburban areas. New housing further out in Prince George's, Charles, and even St. Mary's has been sprouting up like mushrooms. Where the ride from Waldorf to the Beltway took about 35 minutes in rush 20 years ago, it's is now 50-60 minutes. Even on weekends, 301 and 5 can be bumper to bumper. 210/Indian Head Highway is also quite busy these days. So, the density is there now and will continue growing. Since there are only 3 main roads connecting Southern Maryland, rail would provide major relief. Furthermore, PG has embarked on major initiatives to attract business and higher-density residential development. Those *require* mass transit in order to succeed. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Oct 8 22:24:50 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 7 14:25:16 2012. That may be true of 5K and perhaps 6K as well.wayne |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Oct 9 08:54:46 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Oct 7 20:28:50 2012. If they cared about getting to places on time they wouldn't live in DC. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Oct 9 08:56:12 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 7 14:23:47 2012. First riding Metro is safer than almost any other form of transportation, second my complaint is about the inside of the vehicle losing its comfortable padded seats and floor covering. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Oct 9 13:04:12 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Oct 9 08:56:12 2012. I believe the new seats will have some padding, but more on the level of the newer buses and definitely not as much as the current seats. I think those seats are starting to be phased out by the manufacturer anyway, right?I wish they would have kept the brighter colors of the 6000s, 5000s, and rehabbed 2/3000s. Colors that actually meant something, that represented the area. I really hate this trend of gray, blue, and silver interior styling that all the transit agencies are doing these days. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 9 16:37:34 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Oct 9 08:56:12 2012. Carpeted floors are a health hazard. You can't clean them adequately and are a petri dish of bacteria. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Oct 9 16:56:26 2012, in response to Re: WMATA's Kawasaki Rail 7000-rail car series full scale model, posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 9 16:37:34 2012. as well as stink during wet weather. It has taken forty years to teach the managements of BART and WMATA that they are successful exactly at what they have tried to deny being--urban mass transit. |
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