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Re: Are Things Back to Normal on the "A" and "C" |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sun Sep 2 17:56:30 2012, in response to Are Things Back to Normal, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sun Sep 2 17:34:55 2012. I have not seen a single R32 or R42 on the "A" out here in Rockaway today. Are there any R46s on the "C" today? |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Sun Sep 2 18:12:25 2012, in response to Are Things Back to Normal, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sun Sep 2 17:34:55 2012. I rode on an R46 C train, and saw both an R32 and R42 A train (The R32 was going to the Rockaways, and the R42 was going to Lefferts).So far, the switch back has not started. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sun Sep 2 19:05:34 2012, in response to Re: Are Things Back to Normal, posted by Dj Hammers on Sun Sep 2 18:12:25 2012. You are right. Just saw an R32 en.route to Far Rockaway. Should arrive there in four minutes. |
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Posted by TimG on Sun Sep 2 22:07:26 2012, in response to Re: Are Things Back to Normal, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sun Sep 2 19:05:34 2012. Will the r32s still be on the A on Labor Day |
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Posted by FarRock on Sun Sep 2 22:11:27 2012, in response to Are Things Back to Normal, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sun Sep 2 17:34:55 2012. It is a possibility that things will remain the same until October due to an anticipated warm September...... |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Sep 2 22:17:47 2012, in response to Are Things Back to Normal, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sun Sep 2 17:34:55 2012. I just got off an R42 on the (A) about half an hour ago. |
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Posted by BarnYard on Mon Sep 3 12:34:25 2012, in response to Re: Are Things Back to Normal, posted by TimG on Sun Sep 2 22:07:26 2012. Just checked with Lefferts Blvd dispatcher.There are two or threetrains of 60 foot cars in A service at present.No further details as there was a crew problem going on. |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Mon Sep 3 12:37:09 2012, in response to Are Things Back to Normal, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sun Sep 2 17:34:55 2012. There seem to be conflicting reports (As always with this sort of matter).Some people say the switch is happening now, others say is it postponed for two weeks. So what's the real plan? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Sep 3 12:41:54 2012, in response to Re: Are Things Back to Normal, posted by Dj Hammers on Mon Sep 3 12:37:09 2012. Very simple: if R32's are running on the C, it's back to normal.If R46's are running on the C, it isn't. |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Mon Sep 3 12:45:30 2012, in response to Re: Are Things Back to Normal, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Sep 3 12:41:54 2012. haha if I were able to check now, that's exactly what I would have done XD |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Sep 3 12:48:28 2012, in response to Re: Are Things Back to Normal, posted by Dj Hammers on Mon Sep 3 12:37:09 2012. I posted last week that no official date has been set for the "normalization" of the fleets. It's likely not going to happen for the rest of the month. You can take that for what its worth. |
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Posted by BarnYard on Mon Sep 3 13:10:11 2012, in response to Re: Are Things Back to Normal, posted by Dj Hammers on Mon Sep 3 12:37:09 2012. C service is being run with R-46's this Labor Day.Think of the R-32's & their HVAC systems as being whales.They must come up to the surface for air. Running the C with R-46's is a headache in a number of ways.More cars are running up miles meaning more frequent inspections.To make service,207 & Pitkin have to keep their hold count(the number of O/S cars) down further,meaning they are probably paying OT,or worse "burying" cars until they get caught up (a B/O wiper on the 5th car of an A train isn't an issue until you cut it 4/4 for Lefferts OPTO).Additional switching personnel are required @ 168 & Euclid to relay trains in a timely manner due to the locked end doors & plug doors @ the middle.Six links ( 4 car units & not to be confused with Curly Q Links ) of R-46 have been borrowed from Jamaica,putting a similar strain on their resources. A train that could be shopped midday in the Jamaica fleet may have to wait for after the PM rush,because the Barn is unable to produce an OK replacement.Safety issues are going to the yard no matter what,but secondary things that add up will wait. Next weekend will see F's from 179 going down Fulton St,so 2 weeks is a good guess. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 3 15:38:05 2012, in response to Re: Are Things Back to Normal, posted by BarnYard on Mon Sep 3 13:10:11 2012. Septembers have been getting warmer the last few years.WOuld 6 car C's of R46's (14 pairs of A-A or A-B sets) be unacceptable ? Could they short turn a few more rush hour F's back to King Hwy to save a train set of two ? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Sep 3 18:41:16 2012, in response to Re: Are Things Back to Normal, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 3 15:38:05 2012. Too confusing, and an improper stop waiting to happen if you have some C's as 6 cars and others as 8. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 3 19:08:54 2012, in response to Re: Are Things Back to Normal, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Sep 3 18:41:16 2012. IWO, you are afraid T/O would forget length of train and stop short ?Worked on the BMT decades ago: 3, 6 and 8 car Jamaica trains, and never at any particular time during rush hours was every consist on the 15 8 cars. |
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Posted by BarnYard on Mon Sep 3 19:14:28 2012, in response to Re: Are Things Back to Normal, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Sep 3 18:41:16 2012. To run 6 R-46's on the C would involve new Car Stop markers for theMotorman & new boards for the C/R.Between Jay St & 59th St you'd need to do 6th Ave in case of reroutes,either through GO's or blockages of service. Six car R-46's ran on the N in the late 70's to early 80's (I took slides of them ),nothing bad was known to happen.But in today's world,no one would sign off on it. |
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Posted by BarnYard on Mon Sep 3 19:21:26 2012, in response to Re: Are Things Back to Normal, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 3 19:08:54 2012. When you said T/O you summed up the problem.Motormen took pride intheir job,T/O's need everything handed to them.If you messed up at one time,YOU took the hit & not your supervisor(s).This is not a gender but an attitude issue. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Sep 3 21:11:30 2012, in response to Re: Are Things Back to Normal, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 3 19:08:54 2012. You don't have motormen today, you have train operators. Back in the day you had a c/r board for only a maximum length train. Today, they need a board no matter what size train it is because the c/r has to point at it. Back in the day it wasn't as big of a deal as it is today if doors were opened outside a station. Sure it was wrong, but it was a slap on the wrist as long as nobody got hurt.Management has dumbed down the job. Memo's about everything except which leg to put into your pants first when you're getting dressed. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Sep 4 13:35:50 2012, in response to Re: Are Things Back to Normal, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Sep 3 21:11:30 2012. My opinion is the TA is dead wrong. An operator does both jobs of motorman and conductor. A motorman operates the train, a conductor handles the passenger. The TA should go back to motorman or get rid of the conductor. BTW, I believe the TA is the last system to operate a subway train with 2 people in the country. |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Tue Sep 4 17:56:46 2012, in response to Re: Are Things Back to Normal, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 3 19:08:54 2012. When the F runs via the C line to Euclid, for some reason T/Os routinely stopped at the wrong car marker. |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Tue Sep 4 17:58:47 2012, in response to Re: Are Things Back to Normal, posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Sep 4 13:35:50 2012. It should be noted that in Beijing, there are normally 2 or 3 people in the cab; one motorman and 1-2 Conductors.And 9 times out of 10, there is either an additional supervisor, or trainees in the cab as well. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Sep 4 18:07:59 2012, in response to Re: Are Things Back to Normal, posted by Dj Hammers on Tue Sep 4 17:56:46 2012. issues last night at the bottleneck Jay st caused several trains to go out of service..seemed like a switching or signal problem.. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Sep 4 18:18:08 2012, in response to Re: Are Things Back to Normal, posted by Train Dude on Mon Sep 3 12:48:28 2012. It would be stupid to do this until outside temps drop below 70 degrees on a regular basis. It's still summer. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 4 21:44:04 2012, in response to Re: Are Things Back to Normal, posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Sep 4 13:35:50 2012. What other system in this country operates 600' trains? |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Sep 5 01:16:14 2012, in response to Re: Are Things Back to Normal, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 4 21:44:04 2012. DC Metro and Bart operates longer trains. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Sep 5 04:58:12 2012, in response to Re: Are Things Back to Normal, posted by R30A on Wed Sep 5 01:16:14 2012. I can see a pissing contet coming in regards to full OPTO vs. no OPTO at all.Does DC Metro & Bart have platforms with reduced visibility meaning poles a few inches before the end of the platform ala IND? Does DC Metro and Bart have stations with dips in them, ala 34/6th? Does DC Metro and Bart have cars with so many doorways and door operators as NYC? If a train needs to have a door motor cut out, and there are many more per train in NYC, there would be a substantial delay as the t/o has to walk all the way back. I was on a Philadelphia Broad St. train the other day where the t/o had to go all the way back to the last car to attend to a door. If a c/r was there it would have been a shorter delay. |
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Posted by Broadway Buffer on Thu Sep 6 01:35:54 2012, in response to Re: Are Things Back to Normal, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Sep 5 04:58:12 2012. Likewise, a BIE investigation would take longer since the T/O will need to walk through the train to make certain that the announcement was heard in each car before descending to the roadbed. Presently the C/R's responsibility. |
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