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Posted by WillD on Sat Aug 18 01:35:27 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by Train Dude on Fri Aug 17 18:42:18 2012. You still haven't explained how installing fare gates will ensure a fare collection system which entirely eliminates shortchanging. You'd think you could use some of that duck tape your coworkers used to stick you to the wall to stick on the original topic. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 18 02:11:57 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by WillD on Sat Aug 18 01:35:27 2012. I said that Elias' idea was interesting. It takes a bit more to think of an idea that may be outside the box than to sit here and pass judgement on other people's ideas. But as long as we're talking about ideas, where did you get the idea that posing for a picture with a blue ribbon in your hair, was a good thing to do? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 18 02:13:18 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 18 02:11:57 2012. By the way, Will, I think that you are a cute little pussy. Now go home and get your fucking shine box. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 18 02:17:52 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by R30A on Fri Aug 17 22:59:33 2012. On what study do you base your assessment on? The "will" study. I can assure you that willy would fail miserably in management because of that smug (but pussified) attitude. I'm sure that had willy been around in the day, he's have told Henry Ford that hiring all those people for an assembly line is needless and wasteful. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 18 03:12:29 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 18 02:11:57 2012. I have not seen teh blue ribbon. |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Aug 18 03:33:38 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 18 02:11:57 2012. You said wrought iron fences would somehow enhance Elias' proposal to equip the LIRR with fare gates as a solution to the potential rip off Aaron illustrated in his original post. When I asked you how wrought iron would somehow fix the biggest problems with his proposal you, in true form, insulted me. But I guess you don't get stuck to a wall by your coworkers for dealing with criticism constructively. |
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Posted by CJ on Sat Aug 18 04:14:50 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by WillD on Sat Aug 18 01:31:00 2012. Sorry I don't kiss asses. Go back to your little lapdog and I do hope you enjoy the panties he's wearing that he got from his wife. Have nice day. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Aug 18 05:37:12 2012, in response to LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by aaron on Wed Aug 15 20:07:35 2012. Look at it this way. They were actually giving you a big discount. You only had a ticket for a trip between 2 stations. Without THEIR stepup policy they could have charged you the whole fare for trip between the 2 extra stations. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Aug 18 07:21:05 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by WillD on Sat Aug 18 01:32:22 2012. LOL now you want to ask me the question? Will This "high road ill now stick to the topic and show how bad the rest are "crap you are trying to play becuase you cant take the heat sickens me..Remember this though don't throw stones and don't expect folks not to throw them back ok? I'm not talking about this thread either..Run along now... |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Aug 18 07:52:13 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by WillD on Sat Aug 18 01:27:51 2012. JNR has more passengers, and this is how they do it on their commuter lines. Japan has people to push people into cars yet they have in and out fare gates. So we can say that the system does work, and work well.LION has ridden on these trains, and never noticed any delays at the fare gates. ROAR |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sat Aug 18 10:03:00 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Thu Aug 16 03:40:13 2012. The problem with that policy is that there is no incentive to tell the conductor you are going to High Bridge. Just give the conductor your ticket and see if he notices that you have stayed on past Raritan and comes back to collect the additional fare. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 18 10:15:48 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax…, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 18 03:12:29 2012. Maybe Willy will post that picture. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 18 10:19:51 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by WillD on Sat Aug 18 03:33:38 2012. Yup and of course you can post that picture right next to the one of you with the blue ribbon in your hair. Why can't you get a job in your field of expertise, willy, lad? Scraping birdshit? Really willy. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 18 10:23:01 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Aug 18 07:52:13 2012. Willy does not want to be confused by facts. His mind was made up before he even thought about what you proposed. That's why he will remain a man-boy who never amounts to anything. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 18 10:26:52 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Thu Aug 16 03:40:13 2012. The reverse is a common issue on the eastbound LIRR. Once you leave Jamaica, your ticket is checked. If you are going to Ronkonkoma (Zone 10) and your train stops in Mineola (Zone4) you can present a Zone 4 ticket to the conductor and then ride to Ronkonkoma. Chances are he'll never notice and since the tickets are collected after Jamaica, he can't ask to see your ticket again because he has it. |
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Posted by Train2104 on Sat Aug 18 10:38:27 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 18 10:26:52 2012. Very true. Riding over your ticket westbound isn't so easy, most C/R's I see make passes after couple of stations. But on the PM...its a totally different story.Question for TMP or another LIRR/MNRR conductor: what is the formal rule regarding seat checking? Everybody I've seen does it differently. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 18 10:48:47 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by Train2104 on Sat Aug 18 10:38:27 2012. A friend of mine, retired conductor always said that fare collection was a lower priority than getting the equipment to where its supposed to be, on time. Ride a Montauk train in the summer. There are times when the conductors, because of the crush loads, don't even attempt to collect fares. |
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Posted by Train2104 on Sat Aug 18 10:48:48 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 18 10:26:52 2012. And they are very blatant about it...yesterday somebody left their Mineola weekly in the clip...the conductor walked past at Westbury and didn't say a word. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 18 10:50:07 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by Train2104 on Sat Aug 18 10:48:48 2012. This is true too - eastbound fare collection is not a high priority |
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Posted by Train2104 on Sat Aug 18 10:57:21 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 18 10:48:47 2012. I understand not attempting to collect fares on a crush loaded peak train, but on the Hamptons trains they have a LONG time to do so (the express section), so why not just take your time and do it? That's a LOT of wasted revenue... |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 18 11:05:40 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by Train2104 on Sat Aug 18 10:57:21 2012. I agree. I do know that on the train that runs from Penn Station to Montauk on Friday Eve (2714), there were nights where after leaving Jamaica I had to plan my exit strategy at Islip very carefully (although sometimes a large contingent would get off at Bay Shore). Fare collection would be impossible and for some reason, once they missed that first pass after Jamaica, when the crowd lightened, they rarely attempted to collect from people who remained. |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Aug 18 12:55:46 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Aug 18 07:52:13 2012. Yes, that's precisely my point. They have many more passengers utilizing each gate, so the investment in those gate lines are amortized over a greater number of passengers. The automation of the fare collection results in a net savings when compared with the cost of providing the requisite number of conductors to enforce fares. It is virtually impossible for the LIRR to achieve the same reduction in cost when you're specifying a system where the gates will not be placed at the busiest stations. |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Aug 18 13:02:49 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by Railman718 on Sat Aug 18 07:21:05 2012. When was I ever off topic in this thread? All I asked is how Elias' barrier fare control system would prevent the problem outlined by Aaron in his original post. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Aug 18 13:06:57 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by WillD on Sat Aug 18 13:02:49 2012. When was I ever off topic in this thread?Nice try though, did i even reply to you until these last two posts?? Use some common sense Will.. Thanks for playing.. |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Aug 18 17:28:03 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by Railman718 on Sat Aug 18 13:06:57 2012. You said I wasn't sticking to the original topic. It doesn't matter if you responded or not. You read those posts. You must have because you claimed I was off topic. Which particular posts did I make where there was no portion of the text that addressed the topic at hand?And again to try to bring you back to the thread's topic, how will a barrier fare control system ensure that no passenger is dealt with in a manner that they feel shortchanges or rips them off? |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Aug 18 17:31:29 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by CJ on Sat Aug 18 04:14:50 2012. Except that you do. You've contributed nothing to this thread but trolling. You're going out of your way to kiss Train Dude's ass.Unless you have a concrete reason how a barrier fare control system will prevent the rip off Aaron outlined why don't you run along and let the adults talk? Or at least the adults plus Train Dude and Railman. |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Aug 18 17:33:52 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by Train Dude on Fri Aug 17 17:53:45 2012. I'm not interested in anything further that you have to say.And yet you continue to respond to this thread. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Aug 18 18:03:10 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by WillD on Sat Aug 18 17:31:29 2012. It will prevent the "Rip Off" because no money will be handled on the train, you will have exact fare media when you board and when you leave, and the CORRECT amount will be deducted from the media.His point becomes moot. ROAR |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Aug 18 18:26:29 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Aug 18 18:03:10 2012. Except that it won't. Will I be refused entry if my fare media is not properly encoded for the zone I'm boarding at before I enter the fare gate? How will you address upgrades? I know of at least one system which charges an upgrade on round trip tickets for both trips even if one trip was already made between the lower cost fare zone. Will you provide refunds for unused portions of the fare?Even if the gates will prevent this problem (which, again, they will not), why enforce the fare at the point with the smallest passenger flow? If you're going to squander money needlessly then why not put the gates where they'll be utilized to the fullest? |
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Posted by CJ on Sat Aug 18 18:29:13 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by WillD on Sat Aug 18 17:31:29 2012. Whatever you say ass kisser. Get your head out of your ass WillD and stop dick ridding that wannabe Terrapin Bitchstation. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 18 22:36:01 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by WillD on Sat Aug 18 17:33:52 2012. Only to your being a pussy, wilma. Why don't you get a real job? |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Aug 18 22:55:04 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by merrick1 on Sat Aug 18 10:03:00 2012. That would only work in the peak hours because off peak, everybody is seat checked to their destination... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Aug 18 23:58:27 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by WillD on Sat Aug 18 17:28:03 2012. Again i ask you Will did i reply to you?I can say what i want to say since you replied to me... Thanks for the laugh... |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Aug 19 00:15:29 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by CJ on Sat Aug 18 18:29:13 2012. Sure, you keep up the good fight against someone you think is a troll by contributing nothing and insulting those who ask very straightforward questions regarding a ludicrously expensive proposal. Maybe one day you'll figure out just how hypocritical you actually sound. |
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Posted by CJ on Sun Aug 19 02:37:11 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by WillD on Sun Aug 19 00:15:29 2012. 
Thanks for the laugh pussy it was entertainment. Keep up the ass kissing kid. Have a nice day. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Aug 19 10:02:54 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by WillD on Sat Aug 18 18:26:29 2012. A Commuter Fare is good only between two named points. If you have an open fare card, it will know what to do.ROAR |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Aug 19 11:25:28 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Aug 19 10:02:54 2012. That is a complete and utter non-answer. The TVM can just as easily be programmed to do the very same rip off Aaron outlined on the assumption that there is some sort of fare evasion going on. It can "know what to do" and still rip off customers. TVMs and fare gates do not guarantee a fare collection system which is entirely fair to the passengers. In this case you have simply proposed an extraordinarily expensive non-solution to the problem Aaron proposed. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Aug 19 15:43:09 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by WillD on Sun Aug 19 11:25:28 2012. Helicopters.... I hear the Black Helicopters.You had better run and hide! |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Aug 19 18:24:32 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by WillD on Sun Aug 19 11:25:28 2012. At that point, that's where political pressure to end the practice comes into play, the same pressure used whichever solution is used to get rid of the excuses. Otherwise, you can just give up looking for solutions, because either human or machine will still rip off customers. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 21 11:57:32 2012, in response to LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by aaron on Wed Aug 15 20:07:35 2012. He told me the step-ups are automatically rounded up because the conductor's aren't required to carry coins any longer.Good for the LIRR!! How much easier! But Just imagine if the currency meddlers got their way and we would be forced to use undesirable dollar coins..... |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Aug 21 12:12:35 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by TERRapin station on Fri Aug 17 08:13:50 2012. But then the arguments would ensue as the C/R would be carrying carrying change, recieved from step ups. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 21 12:55:40 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 21 11:57:32 2012. Good for the LIRR!! Huh? No it's not. How much easier! Easier for whom? For the people who are being forced to overpay when they shouldn't have to? Also, if you read the whole thread you'll see that the statement "because the conductor's aren't required to carry coins any longer" is not true. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 21 12:56:46 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Aug 21 12:12:35 2012. But then the arguments would ensue as the C/R would be carrying carrying change, recieved from step ups. Huh?? No arguments would ensue for that reason. Did you even read the thread?? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 21 15:10:50 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 21 12:55:40 2012. Wow, it was a joke, but okay. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Aug 21 16:47:05 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 21 15:10:50 2012. Never joke with a turtle.ROAR |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Aug 21 17:16:10 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 21 12:55:40 2012. It's not overpayment if the increase is the correct fare with the step-up. Apparently the LIRR says that is the case. |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Tue Aug 21 18:03:16 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by Train Dude on Tue Aug 21 17:16:10 2012. It is overpayment because it costs more than a through ticket. It is quite obviously a revenue generating scheme, like others implemented at the same time, and like some of those others, it is a very poor idea/solution in terms of respecting the customer. |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Tue Aug 21 18:05:34 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 21 15:10:50 2012. Part of it could have made sense as a joke if it had been based in truth. But it wasn't. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Aug 21 18:06:44 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by TERRapin station on Tue Aug 21 18:03:16 2012. BUT if the LIRR deems that to be the correct fare, even if unfairly derived, then it is no longer an overpayment. On board fares have for several years, been rounded off to the nearest dollar. It is what it is. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Aug 21 18:10:57 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Fare Ripoff Hoax..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 21 15:10:50 2012. A friend brought a cat from Alabama when she moved here. She (the cat) got out once and got knocked up. The kittens were about 2 1/2 weeks old when the cat went berserk the other day, attacking her landlord, the landlords son and her. In the end, the cat had to be put down. There's a moral to that story. |
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