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Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 17 16:09:35 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by randyo on Fri Aug 17 16:04:02 2012. She liked it specifically because of the tomato. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 17 16:10:32 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Edwards! on Fri Aug 17 16:09:16 2012. I know, but with the R30's surviving into 2001, they could have never come up north to begin with. |
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Posted by renee gil on Fri Aug 17 16:17:03 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Aug 17 10:08:46 2012. "Sometime in the 80s, the M was moved to the West End"It was in 1986. |
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Posted by renee gil on Fri Aug 17 16:20:08 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Edwards! on Fri Aug 17 16:06:13 2012. I remember when the K would relay at Atlantic Avenue after it terminated at Eastern Pkwy. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Aug 17 16:23:04 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by MainR3664 on Fri Aug 17 14:52:40 2012. Since the letter "M" indicates Myrtle, K would not have been appropriate. When the threads about combining the M with the V first started appearing on this forum, I advocated A service from jamaica Ctr to Ctl via Chrystie rather that a Met to Ctl service but that was because I felt that crewing would be easier for a service that had both ends of the line approximately 12 min away from each other. It would have also given Archer Av passengers a direct ride to the 6 Av corridor. It could have conceivably been assigned the letter "K" or used the letter "V." Either one would have been acceptable and the "Z" could have been retired. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Aug 17 16:26:49 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Edwards! on Fri Aug 17 16:06:13 2012. Even when the KK was running there were 4 KKs that laid up to Met in the AM. Although they should technically have been called "MMs" and the R-9s had "MM/Av of Americas Lcl" route signs the MM designation was never used. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Aug 17 16:42:21 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by MainR3664 on Fri Aug 17 14:35:50 2012. Unfortunately, I have 1972 & 1974 Vignelli mpas, but no 1973 copy,There wasn't one. You have the 1972 map which was the first of the Vignelli versions. This was the last map to list the KK (6Av -Jamaica) and QJ. The next map has a copyright of 1972 (2). The new schedules went into effect on December 31, 1972 which was a Sunday. As January 1 (Monday) was New Year's Day the full effect of the service changes did not take effect until Tuesday January 2. The QJ was replaced by the J and the KK was cut back to Eastern Parkway from Jamaica and became the K. Also the M was extended to Coney Island weekdays from about 6AM to 8 PM. The A would now run express Brooklyn during rush hours. The E would now run local in Brooklyn and terminate at Euclid Avenue and Rockaway Park. No more E trains to Far Rock. The next map was dated and was probably issued sometime after April 28, 1973 went the 3 Avenue El was discontinued . Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Aug 17 16:46:40 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by renee gil on Fri Aug 17 16:20:08 2012. I remember when the K would relay at Atlantic Avenue after it terminated at Eastern Pkwy.I remember that too. In that way they did not interfere with the Jamaica Expresses. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by renee gil on Fri Aug 17 17:20:04 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Aug 14 11:12:25 2012. 
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Aug 17 17:35:25 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by William A. Padron on Fri Aug 17 12:02:11 2012. On a 1988 trip out the flats from Euclid to Rkwy Park, #2974, signed "H", nearly shook itself to pieces with flat wheels, and the t/o floored it going across the bay, making matters much worse for the entire train. The noise was incredible.wayne |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Aug 17 19:50:04 2012, in response to Re: Automat, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 17 14:52:15 2012. I still can't find a closing date for the H&H on Fulton St, Brooklyn. Any luck on that one, guys? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 17 21:29:12 2012, in response to Re: Automat, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Aug 17 14:45:45 2012. Was there? I remember going to Garden State Plaza a few times right after we moved to New Jersey in 1967, but don't recall there being an Automat. OK, so I was ten at the tine.... |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 17 21:30:20 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 16 21:18:54 2012. A classic win-win situation.:) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 17 21:43:41 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 17 21:30:20 2012. For some of the folks I came out with, they were terrified of those things. :) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Aug 17 22:06:24 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 16 21:28:21 2012. Yup..way before the RJ/JJ were removed..QJ extended to Coney Island..KK began in August of 68..QJ service was problematic..at least from what my father told me..KK service was just as problematic,from many reasons..but first and foermost due to crappy trains..service being hijacked by F line supervision to cover delays in F service...gapping out Broadway Brooklyn service..often forcing QJ trains to run local... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 17 22:20:29 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Edwards! on Fri Aug 17 22:06:24 2012. In 1971, it got so bad out there that they were occasionally hijacking D trains out that way. Ten cars ... yep ... that worked. :) |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Aug 17 22:29:20 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by renee gil on Fri Aug 17 16:17:03 2012. Thanks. I figured it was 1986 or 1987, but 1987 was the N/R switch in Queens (happened shortly before I made a visit to NYC, first time I had been there in 6 years). |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Aug 17 22:31:15 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 17 15:55:27 2012. It was the TA's own fault about the car shortage..First ..they didnt order enough 143 to cover the eastern division... second..they retired WAY TOO MANY CARS[400 R 10/550 R27-30-30A] and replaced them mostly with the R68/68A..WHICH WAS Nowhere near enough to cover the loss.. The SAME situation exists today..with the retirement of the 44. The shortfall of the 160 car order[1,662 instead of the 1,700 that SHOULD have been purchased]..WHICH WILL REMAIN UNTIL the 211's are here. This "order SHOULD by all means be placed NOW.. |
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Posted by monorail on Fri Aug 17 22:48:14 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 17 21:43:41 2012. 'For some of the folks I came out with'When did you 'come out'??????????? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 17 22:53:05 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by monorail on Fri Aug 17 22:48:14 2012. For motors, April, 1971. I was fabulous! :) |
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Posted by CJ on Fri Aug 17 23:33:01 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Aug 17 17:35:25 2012. I think I somehow would of enjoyed that. ;) |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Sat Aug 18 01:23:32 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by William A. Padron on Fri Aug 17 12:02:11 2012. Brake valves were not an issue, rather a bulletin was issued in 1988 mandating a two second delay before braking after controller off. It did not help with the flat spotting. There was one test car, I am not sure if it was 3043 or 3041 that was re-equipped with J-1 relays and cast iron brake shoes. That test was not repeated |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Sat Aug 18 01:32:56 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by CJ on Thu Aug 16 15:45:33 2012. With the sagging stick railed trackage existing in the 80s, everything had the same ride quality but it was nice to get some without dead motors rolling through the Cranbury Tubes or that R10 WH motor air whine thundering over the switches north of Broad Channel. You just had to hope the reset button pulled in ALL of the overload relays when you pressed it |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Aug 18 03:55:33 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Aug 16 09:37:11 2012. When R-7/9's went through East Broadway (which had fluorescent lighting for as far back as I can remember), the cars always looked brownish black. |
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Posted by renee gil on Sat Aug 18 13:39:55 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Aug 17 17:35:25 2012. Oh yeah. I remember taking the R-10 A on the CPW Express, and I remember the train went FAST! The train was shaking! The train must of been running over 50 MPH!!! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Aug 18 13:52:56 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by renee gil on Sat Aug 18 13:39:55 2012. Best part of that trip was coming up the ramp approaching 110th St/Cathedral Parkway at full gallop! As noisy as they were, I do miss the R-10's and their original 2 tone colors. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Aug 18 14:14:14 2012, in response to Re: Automat, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 17 21:29:12 2012. Yes, there was one. My wife is almost 10 years younger than me and she even remembered H&H at the GSP. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Aug 18 16:23:22 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by renee gil on Fri Aug 17 17:20:04 2012. I remember going to that one in 1967 with one of my old girl friends. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Aug 18 16:27:18 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Aug 17 16:46:40 2012. They wouldn't have interfered with the jamaica expresses anyhow since they could have relayed into ENY Yd. |
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Posted by renee gil on Sat Aug 18 16:33:21 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by randyo on Sat Aug 18 16:27:18 2012. Trains relayed into the Atlantic Avenue station too. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat Aug 18 17:53:12 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by SLRT on Mon Aug 13 18:33:28 2012. Unless I'm missing something, I only saw two - ogee and clerestory.wayne |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Aug 18 18:20:21 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat Aug 18 17:53:12 2012. There were the 2500s, which had box vents that made them distinctive.I would call the other two slant and deck roof. In architecture, an ogee is a double curve, going from convex to concave to convex. The BMT 2000-2599 didnt have a true ogee, the Multis and R10 and R12s did. IIRC, so did Stillwell cars, like on the DL&W and the NY&B. A clerestory roof has windows or slits for the purpose of allowing light to enter. On the Standards the raised section of the roof was only for vents. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 18 18:51:04 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by SLRT on Sat Aug 18 18:20:21 2012. an ogee is a double curve, going from convex to concave to convexSee what TV does. All these years I thought it was a little girl who wanted to buy a gorilla.  |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Aug 18 20:27:57 2012, in response to Re: Automat, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 17 21:29:12 2012. It may have been gone by then. The GSP opened in 1957 as an open air mall. We watched them build it. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Aug 18 21:01:36 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Elkeeper on Sat Aug 18 13:52:56 2012. My favorite memory of the R-10 was looking out the last car as it was flying down the Fulton St express. Noisy as hell, but at least it SOUNDED fast!Another not-so-favorite memory was when I was trying to catch a beat-up R-10 A train. I tried to stick my hand in the door, except the door cushions had been cut away, and the doors closed with my hand still there! Let's just say I yanked out my hand out really fast when I realized what was going to happen (and I never purposely stuck anything in subway doors since). |
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Posted by CJ on Sat Aug 18 21:40:32 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by 3-9 on Sat Aug 18 21:01:36 2012. Thank heavens you were able to free your hand. There aren't many R10 videos around except for one from Jacob's Ladder and that video I found recently of the IND subway that shows both Green and Graffiti R10s in the Rockaways sometime in the mid 1980s. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Aug 19 13:50:31 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 18 18:51:04 2012. Ah yes, good old Magilla Gorilla."Magilla, will ya stop lifting the place up?" |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Aug 19 13:52:34 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 17 22:53:05 2012. You loved them, they loved you.:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Aug 19 13:55:59 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 17 22:20:29 2012. "People in the first and last cars will have to move if they want to get off at __________." I used to hear that all the time on trains from New York to New Haven, except at Bridgeport. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Aug 19 13:57:31 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Edwards! on Fri Aug 17 22:06:24 2012. The KK officially debuted on July 1, 1968, when the 57th St. station on the 6th Ave. line finally opened. The JJ and TT were both dropped on that same day. The RJ was gone by then, too. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Aug 19 14:00:41 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Aug 17 10:08:46 2012. IIRC the Moe intially ran express down 4th Ave., too. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Aug 19 14:03:22 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Edwards! on Fri Aug 17 16:09:16 2012. And you could even spot them in solid trains for once.:) |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Aug 19 20:59:06 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Edwards! on Fri Aug 17 22:31:15 2012. And who's idea was it to order 212 (instead of say 220)? Screwed up the numbering system for all of the R-160s (a minor detail, but still...) |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Aug 20 01:19:48 2012, in response to Re: Book of Last Runs - Hail and Farewell to the mighty Standards., posted by Edwards! on Fri Aug 17 22:31:15 2012. water the money tree or exproprite the 1% |
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