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R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by G1Ravage on Fri Aug 10 02:42:46 2012

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Go get 'em:

http://travel.mtanyct.info/serviceadvisory/routeStatusResult.aspx?tag=A&date=09%2F08%2F2012&time&method=getstatus4

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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by G1Ravage on Fri Aug 10 02:43:58 2012, in response to R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by G1Ravage on Fri Aug 10 02:42:46 2012.

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You'll have to do with night photos, unless you can get out there just as the shuttle ends, and the sun is coming up.

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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Aug 10 03:01:13 2012, in response to Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by G1Ravage on Fri Aug 10 02:43:58 2012.

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I don't think the R160 F programming has a set up to there.


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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by G1Ravage on Fri Aug 10 05:00:51 2012, in response to Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Aug 10 03:01:13 2012.

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I don't think so either....

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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by Railman718 on Fri Aug 10 07:59:34 2012, in response to R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by G1Ravage on Fri Aug 10 02:42:46 2012.

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Oh I wonder if Lefferts will be a busy terminal during the overnight with this G.O..

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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by LRG5784 on Fri Aug 10 08:46:07 2012, in response to R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by G1Ravage on Fri Aug 10 02:42:46 2012.

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Anyone know if this is the first time the (F) train is serving the same borough more than once?

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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by LRG5784 on Fri Aug 10 08:48:35 2012, in response to Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by G1Ravage on Fri Aug 10 02:43:58 2012.

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The sun is starting to rise later and later as the fall comes close so Sunday would be anyone's best bet really.

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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by mike cruz on Fri Aug 10 11:05:03 2012, in response to R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by G1Ravage on Fri Aug 10 02:42:46 2012.

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Now this is a weird one.

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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 10 13:00:58 2012, in response to Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by G1Ravage on Fri Aug 10 05:00:51 2012.

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R46's.

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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 10 13:03:30 2012, in response to Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by LRG5784 on Fri Aug 10 08:48:35 2012.

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So if the F is running to Lefferts at night, what's it doing during the day? There's no need for a special nighttime GO on the Fulton St line since only the A is needed.

This is, odd.

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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by Railman718 on Fri Aug 10 13:05:03 2012, in response to Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 10 13:03:30 2012.

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Its Going to Euclid during the day..

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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 10 13:14:46 2012, in response to Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by Railman718 on Fri Aug 10 13:05:03 2012.

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Wow, Fulton St will be overserved overnights this weekend.

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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Aug 10 13:28:00 2012, in response to Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 10 13:14:46 2012.

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It's not this weekend, but the second weekend of September.

2012-09-08 00:01 through 2012-09-10 05:00.

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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Aug 10 13:38:26 2012, in response to R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by G1Ravage on Fri Aug 10 02:42:46 2012.

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Smith-9th will reopen - - yay!!!

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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Aug 10 13:57:57 2012, in response to Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by LRG5784 on Fri Aug 10 08:48:35 2012.

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Civil twilight (when the sun is 6 degrees or less below the horizon) begins after 06:00 that whole weekend, so even twilight shots are out.

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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by FarRock on Fri Aug 10 13:59:45 2012, in response to Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Aug 10 03:01:13 2012.

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I think it does...

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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Aug 10 14:24:23 2012, in response to R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by G1Ravage on Fri Aug 10 02:42:46 2012.

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Interesting. But didn't a few R160s do revenue test service back in '06, on the A?

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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Aug 10 14:25:40 2012, in response to Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by Railman718 on Fri Aug 10 13:05:03 2012.

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And I guess the G is going to Coney Island?

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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Aug 10 14:43:03 2012, in response to Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Aug 10 14:24:23 2012.

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Yeah, both the Kawasaki and Alstom models. To whit...

R-160A-2 #8662, Lefferts Boulevard, IND Fulton Street Line, 10/21/2006.

R-160B #8713, 80th Street-Hudson Street, IND Fulton Street Line, 10/7/2006.

-William A. Padron
["(A) Wash Hts/8 Av/Fulton"]


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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by Mr Railfan on Fri Aug 10 15:56:59 2012, in response to Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Aug 10 14:25:40 2012.

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no , the (G) is short turning at Hoyt. there's no trains between Jay street and 18 ave.

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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by renee gil on Fri Aug 10 16:48:57 2012, in response to R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by G1Ravage on Fri Aug 10 02:42:46 2012.

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You're late:

Taken in 2005 during the testing of R160's:




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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by renee gil on Fri Aug 10 16:50:54 2012, in response to Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Aug 10 14:24:23 2012.

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Yep:







All taken on 10/4/2005.

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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by Mr Railfan on Fri Aug 10 17:46:05 2012, in response to Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by renee gil on Fri Aug 10 16:50:54 2012.

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They look so shinny!

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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Fri Aug 10 18:36:40 2012, in response to Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 10 13:14:46 2012.

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Believe it or not, the Fs get good ridership when they're diverted. Some stay on to/from Sixth Avenue stops.

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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by LRG5784 on Fri Aug 10 18:41:04 2012, in response to Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 10 13:14:46 2012.

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I wonder what made them decide to combine the (F) with the (A) Shuttle though.

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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Aug 10 20:30:27 2012, in response to Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 10 13:14:46 2012.

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Why? The midnight F between 179 and Stl runs every 20 minutes. So I would expect it to run every 20 minutes between 179 and Lefferts on the midnight as well. Then "cut back" to Euclid all day S/S.

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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Aug 10 20:33:31 2012, in response to Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by LRG5784 on Fri Aug 10 18:41:04 2012.

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Unnecessary to relay both OPTO A and rerouted F at the same time. Just run the F thru and no relays necessary at all.

If no sign program, just sign the F to Euclid and when it arrives there, change the sign to A, as well as announcements from the dispatchers office.

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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Aug 10 20:34:48 2012, in response to Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Aug 10 14:25:40 2012.

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G to Hoyt, relay at Bergen. Bustitution Jay to Church (or 18th).

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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by G1Ravage on Sat Aug 11 06:17:12 2012, in response to Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by LRG5784 on Fri Aug 10 08:46:07 2012.

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Hmmm....a good historical question.

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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by jabrams on Sat Aug 11 10:24:24 2012, in response to Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by Mr Railfan on Fri Aug 10 15:56:59 2012.

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Why at Hoyt, and not Bergen, since the crossover is after Bergen St.? Maybe they feel they should not strand the people at Bergen, whereas at Hoyt you have other options. Are they running shuttle buses between Hoyt and 18th Ave.?

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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Aug 11 12:30:06 2012, in response to Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by jabrams on Sat Aug 11 10:24:24 2012.

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So everybody can get the shuttle bus at Jay St., including the "express" bus. You can't do that at Bergen, plus Smith St. is a one way.

Too early for the GO to come out, when it does come out, we'll see the route of the shuttle bus and if it going to Church or 18th.

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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by Train2104 on Sat Aug 11 13:38:48 2012, in response to Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Aug 11 12:30:06 2012.

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According to the public GO it's to 18 Av.

Other busings on the same weekend...

-J Crescent-Jamaica
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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Aug 11 13:42:00 2012, in response to Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by Train2104 on Sat Aug 11 13:38:48 2012.

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Thanks, kinda figured.

But it's official when NYCT's GO comes out.

For example, one of the things they do sometimes is terminate the G @ Bed/Nost and run a single track shuttle to Hoyt to piggy back another GO if necessary.

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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by Train2104 on Sat Aug 11 16:29:57 2012, in response to Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Aug 11 13:42:00 2012.

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Why do they use 18 Av anyway? The track that needs to be taken out of service is the Viaduct, so why can't they use Church Ave?

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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by jabrams on Sat Aug 11 19:34:03 2012, in response to Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Aug 11 12:30:06 2012.

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It looks like if your on the G, you have to wait for the F (or the A) at Hoyt and take it one stop to Jay, and then wait for the shuttle bus.

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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Aug 11 20:10:43 2012, in response to Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by Train2104 on Sat Aug 11 16:29:57 2012.

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Because preliminary signal work was being done at Church Ave.

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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Aug 11 20:20:40 2012, in response to Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by jabrams on Sat Aug 11 19:34:03 2012.

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Short waits.

You have a choice between the A and F, so you have no longer than a 4-5 minutes during the day. Even on the midnight, 6 trains per hour each direction.

The shuttle buses run very frequently too.

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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by FarRock on Sat Aug 11 23:45:15 2012, in response to Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Aug 10 03:01:13 2012.

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SB at Euclid reprogram it for the shuttle, NB from Lefferts manual announcements to Euclid. Simple.

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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Sun Aug 12 01:02:27 2012, in response to R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by G1Ravage on Fri Aug 10 02:42:46 2012.

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You mean the Liberty Ave El?

R160s already run on the Fulton St El......;-)

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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by randyo on Sun Aug 12 17:59:01 2012, in response to Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by FarRock on Sat Aug 11 23:45:15 2012.

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Since electronic signs aren't limited by physical space like roll signs, they should be programmed to allow for any route to go from any station to any station by any route and in any classification of service.

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Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!

Posted by randyo on Sun Aug 12 18:06:27 2012, in response to Re: R-160s on the Fulton Street El!, posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Sun Aug 12 01:02:27 2012.

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Even though the el structure is on Liberty Av, it is historically part of the Physical entity known until 1956 as the "Fulton St El" evn though in its last years, it didn't run on Fulton St at all during midnights and weekends. The present el structure that does run over Fulton St is not the "Fulton St El' but is a constituent part of the "Jamaica Line." The so called "Nassau St Line" actually has very little mileage under Nassau St itself, the major portion of the line actually being under Centre St.

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