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Posted by monorail on Sat Jul 28 14:26:19 2012 Anyone know the routing and/or other info? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jul 28 16:40:13 2012, in response to Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by monorail on Sat Jul 28 14:26:19 2012. Lite: 207 Yard to 59, cross to 8th Ave. local to W.4th, then F line to n/Jay, then back to A line to make reverse move to museum.Trip participants @11 AM: A line to 80/Hudson relay, then back to Jay. Relay via F to Coney Island. You can stay on the train or go chasing. Then it will go into the middle track @ Ave. X, run to 18th Ave., back to Ave. X and back to 18th Ave again. From there back to Stillwell where everybody else has to get off. GO says it lays up to CIYD till 4:30 PM. Reboard on the Q line platform, Brighton line to DeKalb, D line to 125, A line to 175 where the trip ends. Train lays up to 207 YD. |
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Posted by monorail on Sat Jul 28 18:01:52 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jul 28 16:40:13 2012. thanks Bill from Maspeth!!! |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jul 28 18:36:59 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by monorail on Sat Jul 28 18:01:52 2012. I'm not riding, but I may be on the F line watching and taking a photo or 2, then hang out at Stillwell during the layover.I'll see. |
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Posted by Abba on Sat Jul 28 23:23:53 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jul 28 16:40:13 2012. When is it expected to be at Avenue X? |
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Posted by monorail on Sun Jul 29 01:54:07 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by Abba on Sat Jul 28 23:23:53 2012. depends on which part of the trip you mean? |
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Posted by BMRR on Sun Jul 29 05:59:15 2012, in response to Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by monorail on Sat Jul 28 14:26:19 2012. What/where is 80/Hudson relay? |
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Posted by monorail on Sun Jul 29 06:05:05 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by BMRR on Sun Jul 29 05:59:15 2012. a turning point80 St-Hudson St( A line) going in one direction- going out the another |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 29 07:13:02 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by Abba on Sat Jul 28 23:23:53 2012. GO does not say. |
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Posted by overclocked on Sun Jul 29 12:09:52 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jul 28 16:40:13 2012. Since there is track rehabilitation going just north of Dekalb, how would it be possible for R9 to use Brighton line to return to bridge? |
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Posted by overclocked on Sun Jul 29 12:26:16 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jul 28 16:40:13 2012. Since there is track rehabilitation going just north of Dekalb, how would it be possible for R9 to use Brighton line to return to bridge? |
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Posted by jabrams on Sun Jul 29 17:06:04 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by BMRR on Sun Jul 29 05:59:15 2012. I guess that is to increase the time of the trip, as Bway Juction is usually manned, if they don't take a T/O from Hoyt to unlock Lafayette. |
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Posted by YoungNYCSubwayFan on Sun Jul 29 19:20:37 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by overclocked on Sun Jul 29 12:26:16 2012. It didn't. Instead, when the train left CIYD, it ran via the N (Sea Beach) to Dekalb Avenue, then the D to 125, A line to 175...... |
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Posted by monorail on Sun Jul 29 20:38:36 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by overclocked on Sun Jul 29 12:09:52 2012. by going on a different route.... |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jul 30 20:57:24 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by YoungNYCSubwayFan on Sun Jul 29 19:20:37 2012. We crawled at a snail's pace aling the Sea Beach, then did reasonably well along 4th Ave. Just as we reached the subway portal, one of the crew members changed the front signd fron 4/Sea Beach/57th St. Manhattan via Bridge to D/6th Ave./Concourse 205th St.The old timers really unwound along the 6th Ave express tracks, thundering and blazing all the way. As we pulled out of 7th Ave. and made the turn towards 59th-CC, the front signs were changed once again to A/Wash. Hts 207th St. I hadn't ridden on a train of old timers along the CPW express since December of 1969, so it was a real treat to experience it again. All in all a most delightful day and a rare opportunity to be in the area when a nostalgia run is scheduled. LOVE THOSE OLD TIMERS! Love 'em!! |
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Posted by monorail on Tue Jul 31 01:55:08 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jul 30 20:57:24 2012. glad you enjoyed the 'old-timers'!!!but what about the R1/9's? |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Tue Jul 31 02:13:52 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jul 30 20:57:24 2012. I wonder why only 5 cars were used..... are the other 3 still alright operationally? |
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Posted by CJ on Tue Jul 31 02:58:39 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jul 30 20:57:24 2012. I can tell you liked the R9 cars. Your going to like seeing them when they were in revenue service.Not my video. |
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Posted by CJ on Tue Jul 31 03:01:49 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by CJ on Tue Jul 31 02:58:39 2012. There are also several shots of R10s thrown in that video as well. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jul 31 04:55:04 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by Dj Hammers on Tue Jul 31 02:13:52 2012. The other 3 "belong" to the museum.They are borrowed each December. |
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Posted by chud1 on Tue Jul 31 05:09:14 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by CJ on Tue Jul 31 02:58:39 2012. excellent video.like da part of da concourse yard which i lived near. chud1 |
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Posted by CJ on Tue Jul 31 08:34:12 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by chud1 on Tue Jul 31 05:09:14 2012. And there is plenty more where that came from. |
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Posted by chud1 on Tue Jul 31 10:55:39 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by CJ on Tue Jul 31 08:34:12 2012. excellent, more please, pretty please.chud1 |
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Posted by CJ on Tue Jul 31 11:21:31 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by chud1 on Tue Jul 31 10:55:39 2012. Sure. All these videos unfortunately do not have any sound except for the third one. In this video you will see Hi-Vs and Lo-Vs as well as R17-R36s that would replace these cars. The other videos show various elevated lines in both color and in black and white. Enjoy and once again these are not my videos. |
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Posted by chud1 on Tue Jul 31 14:10:37 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by CJ on Tue Jul 31 11:21:31 2012. 5 stars out of 5 stars on these great videos'i rode da old 3rd ave el from 1971-73 before they were stopped and torn down. i was in high school at that time and rode it on a saturday from gun hill rd to 149th st back to bedford park blvd where i lived. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 31 20:57:18 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by monorail on Tue Jul 31 01:55:08 2012. Those ARE the old timers!:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 31 20:58:36 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jul 31 04:55:04 2012. Hopefuly 103 will be able to join its sibling units eventually. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 31 21:10:34 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by CJ on Tue Jul 31 02:58:39 2012. I RODE on the R-1/9s in revenue service in the late 60s through 1971. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 31 21:11:38 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by CJ on Tue Jul 31 02:58:39 2012. I RODE on the R-1/9s in revenue service in the late 60s through 1971. |
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Posted by CJ on Tue Jul 31 22:40:02 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 31 21:10:34 2012. That had to have been a very good experience for you to do back then and you had such a good amount of time riding them. |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Tue Jul 31 23:12:23 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 31 21:10:34 2012. Not to try and top you, but I had the pleasure of choosing to ride the R1/9s (and 10s-17s) every school day from 1955 to 1959, along with Hi and LoVs, Gate Cars, Standards, D-Types and Steinways (hope I didn't forget anything) since my school was in midtown Manhattan and I lived in Queens, but the ultimate in pleasure were the Multis. To this day, nothing, in my opinion, even comes close to them for acceleration and probably top speed. Unforttiunately, none were saved..... |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Aug 1 01:10:18 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 31 20:58:36 2012. don't hold yer breath |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Wed Aug 1 16:31:33 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by Joe Saitta on Tue Jul 31 23:12:23 2012. gate cars on the myrtle ave.EL.nothing could beat that feeling. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Aug 1 18:14:12 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by tunnelrat on Wed Aug 1 16:31:33 2012. While it was a great ride, it was rather slow. |
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Posted by mrw on Wed Aug 1 19:20:11 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jul 30 20:57:24 2012. Did the train make stops and regular passengers able to get on? Just wondering if changing the destination signs was just for fun or to actually assist those in the stations. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Aug 1 19:43:46 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by mrw on Wed Aug 1 19:20:11 2012. This was a transit museum premium fare event.So regular passengers were not allowed. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Aug 1 22:19:15 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by CJ on Tue Jul 31 22:40:02 2012. They were literally music to my ears. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Aug 1 22:22:05 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Aug 1 18:14:12 2012. Say Kev, wasn't there a breaker in one of the R-1/9 cabs that turned off the side destination signs? The side signs were not illuminated during Sunday's excursion while during Holiday Special runs they always are. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Aug 1 22:23:48 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by Joe Saitta on Tue Jul 31 23:12:23 2012. I can only imagine how the multis would have fared on the CPW express dash. Even the R-10s couldn't have matched what the multis were capable of in terms of speed. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Aug 1 22:27:23 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Aug 1 22:22:05 2012. I believe so ... been a while. And switch ... those weren't breakers. Arnines had fuses. Signs would also be dark if you centered the reverser or removed the bulbs too. :) |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Aug 1 22:28:25 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Aug 1 22:23:48 2012. You're so right. If I go to heaven, maybe the good Lord will reward me! Does anyone actually know if they ever ran to Park Row. They had destination signs (I have them) for Sands Street and Park Row, but I've never seen any evidence of their being at those locations. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 3 21:57:45 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Aug 1 22:27:23 2012. I get the impression that they were simply turned off for whatever reason.Oh and guess what? I met Steve Davis! Even shook his hand. Really nice guy. Didn't say anything about corresponding with his dad, though. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 3 22:12:39 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 3 21:57:45 2012. Probably were off. After all, it was daylight. I've talked to Steve in the past ... he sure does love doing this. :) |
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Posted by YoungNYCSubwayFan on Sat Aug 4 00:19:20 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 3 22:12:39 2012. Yep he does...the Daily News even wrote an article about it a few years ago...http://www.nydailynews.com/news/vintage-nostalgia-train-run-v-line-subway-service-holidays-article-1.272602Enjoy! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Aug 5 06:50:48 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 3 22:12:39 2012. Indeed he does. He talked about how he wound up qualifying to run the old timers.A funny thing happened at 59th-CC. We stopped to let a young lady get off the train (Bill Wall keyed open one leaf) and as we pulled in, he yelled to Steve, "Don't forget to stop!" You could hear Steve yell back from inside the cab, "I know! I know!" Had it not been for those WDs before 125th, it would have been a six-minute run. We rocketed past 72nd, 81st and 86th. The 6th Ave. express run was very fast. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 5 06:56:03 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Aug 5 06:50:48 2012. Heh. You ALWAYS got hit by timers in the home stretch both ways back in the day too, but WD's? Heh. I guess they had a box of spares laying around. There was never any need for that with all those two-shots. :( |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Aug 5 17:17:55 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 5 06:56:03 2012. The R-10s used to take the curve before 125th n/b at a good clip. I heard the reason that whole business was put in was to prevent a runaway train from roaring into 125th. Locals go tearing around that curve. Go figure.There's a similar deal going n/b along 4th Ave. in Brooklyn. Regardless of the equipment, expresses build up a good head of steam to the point where they're screaming past 9th St., then abruptly hit the brakes and plod the rest of the way to Pacific St. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 5 17:42:37 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Aug 5 17:17:55 2012. Yep ... as long as you kept the timers clearing ahead of you, you could enter at about 2/3 the speed you ran up there with. Southbound, about 1/2. What makes me giggle about the WD's though is that the timers worked just as well ... I consider it typical overkill. Timed zones were waiting for you even if nothing had passed them for a half hour.Don't mind me, I can see the point of them for unusual reroutes like what happened at 14th Street that horrible night. And with CWR down there now, and windows closed and sealed, you don't exactly have track joints to tell you how fast you're moving anymore. But to put those damnable things on a mainline with straight iron ahead ... wow. :( |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Aug 5 22:25:14 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 5 17:42:37 2012. Not to mention gear pitch. For whatever reason, C# above middle C seems to be the "sweet spot" for tunnel reverb with the old timers; that pitch comes through loud and clear. At higher speeds, even with the windows open, the gear pitch was hard to hear. Once we got going up CPW, the gears were at about Ab above middle C - we were moving, no question about it. The good old days all over again.1000 had a hung door; its guard light would stay on and crew members were busy jostling door leaves until the indication fairy smiled. There wasn't a whole lot of cap slapping - not until we were on our way back to Manhattan, anyway. We stopped at Pacific, W4th, 34th, 42nd, 47-50 (keyed open one leaf) and 59th (keyed open one leaf) before those of us who were still on board were let off at 175th. Hey, I wasn't about to pass up a chance at a CPW express dash - hadn't been on one of those on the prewar cars since December of 1969. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 5 22:48:58 2012, in response to Re: Tomorrow's R 9 trip, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Aug 5 22:25:14 2012. Well ... when running them, yardmasters were generally kind enough to ensure that the #2 end of the car was at the lead and the tail, and inside the cab you got your growl loud and clear when that was the case. So hearing the motors was rarely an issue unless some idiot pointed the 1 end out. And as to the doors, heh ... if that pin didn't drop into the hole, the indication fairy was out on a comfort break. A small beating usually solved that. If they didn't have to swing panels, then it was still a good door. :)If I'd had enough advance warning, probably would have come down for it and busted yer chops personally. Heh. |
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