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Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Chicago Union Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 25 20:05:33 2012

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Allegedly going to "triple passenger capacity" (whatever that means) and to feed the pipe dream of turning the station into a "high speed rail hub". Corruption knows no end, does it . . . say, maybe they shouldn't have closed all those other stations like Dearborn, Central (IC) and Grand Central (B&O), the latter two having been razed by liberals (particularly Daley's machine, and with Amtrak's help since they moved operations out of those three stations)? Talk about slitting one's throat and then wanting to eat.

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Amtrak to propose $7 billion overhaul at Union Station

By Jonathan O'Connell and Ashley Halsey III
Published: July 24, 2012
Amtrak is proposing a $7 billion transformation of Union Station, intended to triple passenger capacity and transform the overcrowded station into a high-speed rail hub for the Northeast.

The plan, to be unveiled Wednesday afternoon, calls for doubling the number of trains the station can accommodate and improving the passenger experience at what is the second-busiest Amtrak station in the country, with 100,000 passenger trips per day.

The building’s corridors, concourses and platforms — many dating to the station’s 1907 opening — are regularly jammed during rush hour and major tourist events. The station’s overcrowded tracks hinder Amtrak and regional train operators from adding new trains despite growing demand.

But what the proposal lacks is a vision for financing the plan, which even in stages probably would require huge government funding commitments.

Joseph H. Boardman, Amtrak president and chief executive, said in an interview that the rail line is reimagining what it will take to make rail a vital, viable part of the region’s transportation infrastructure.

“The problem that we have is that we’ve got a lack of balance and investment in a mode that moves a lot of people, that is an environmentally responsible mode, and that changes the way that people are going to be able to travel in the future with the technology that is available today,” Boardman said.

Much of Union Station’s expansion would come below ground, where Amtrak plans to add new platforms, tracks and shopping, all of which would enjoy natural light from a 50-foot-wide, 100-foot-long glass-encased main concourse.

Six tracks dedicated to high-speed rail would be added. The high-speed lines could mean travel times as short as 94 minutes to New York City’s Penn Station by 2030 — that’s 66 minutes faster than today’s Acela trains.

District-based developer Akridge also plans a $1.5 billion complex of offices, residential towers and a hotel. The development, to be constructed on a deck built over the tracks behind Union Station, would link Capitol Hill to the NoMa neighborhood.

Dubbed Burnham Place after Union Station architect Daniel Burnham, the 3-million-square-foot project would include a rebuilt H Street bridge and an expanded street grid that would welcome pedestrians to a large new northern entrance to the station. Pedestrian access would be added on all sides of Union Station.

Akridge paid $10 million in 2006 for the right to build above the tracks. “We are now finally getting to see the potential for what Union Station should be,” said Matthew J. Klein, Akridge president.

The agency’s pitch for funding arrives during a period of sharp political disagreement over transportation investment, and Amtrak and its partners have said little about how to raise the $6.5 billion to $7.5 billion it estimates the upgrades would cost.

The federal budget for all surface transportation in recent years has been about $54 billion. As revenues from the long-time transportation funding source — the federal gas tax — have dwindled, some House Republicans have said the money should be devoted primarily to building and maintaining highways and bridges. A long-term transportation bill proposed in the House this year died after urban Republicans broke ranks in opposition to a plan to cut transit out of gas tax revenues.

Boardman said the plan’s intention was to set a course for the station, and that funding discussions would begin once stakeholders agree on its principles.

“If you don’t have a vision for the future, they’re not going to give you the dollars to develop that view of the future,” he said.

Art Guzzetti, vice president of policy and research at the American Public Transportation Association, said the station’s many users may be asked to help foot the cost.

“Certainly you have a lot of people using that station. The rail lines use that station, people use that station, people shop at that station, real estate is around that station. You have a private sector who uses that market there. So I would say you use all of those people. Union Station is an economic generator — how do you turn an economic generator into a revenue raiser?”

District Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton (D), said she expects to be the plan’s biggest advocate on the Hill. “There’s nothing I can do without being able to say look at where they want to go and this amount of money will get them there efficiently,” she said.

In advance of Amtrak’s expected unveiling of its vision Wednesday, local leaders praised the plan for demonstrating how high-speed rail would come to Washington and for addressing some of passengers’ most frequent complaints about Union Station.

The first phase of the overhaul would take place between 2013 and 2017 and cost $200 million to $300 million. It would include replacement of Concourse A, where passengers are often left waiting in winding lines before entering the track, while shoppers and other travelers struggle to pass.

“It is a state-of-the-art design that they are bringing in,” said Victor Hoskins, D.C. deputy mayor for planning and economic development. “It’s going to allow for light and air and flow in the train station like never before.”

John Pocari, U.S. deputy secretary of transportation, said Amtrak had put forth “a strong, clearly articulated vision for the whole Northeast corridor and the Union Station part of it is an integral element of it.”

Former District mayor Anthony Williams, in his new role as chief executive of the Federal City Council, said, ”I’m very impressed with it. I think it’s the vision that the city needs for the next generation of transportation improvements.”


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Re: Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Chicago Union Station

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 25 20:28:21 2012, in response to Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Chicago Union Station, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 25 20:05:33 2012.

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Nice to see Christie's money going to some use somewhere. :)

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Re: Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Chicago Union Station

Posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Jul 25 20:29:08 2012, in response to Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Chicago Union Station, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 25 20:05:33 2012.

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The story talks about Capitol Hill and the "District", so it sounds like this is about Washington's Union Station, not Chicago's.

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Re: Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Chicago Union Station

Posted by 5119 on Wed Jul 25 20:31:32 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Chicago Union Station, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Jul 25 20:29:08 2012.

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Instead of using the money to overhaul the NE Corridor and speed up the Acela Local, OOps, I mean express!

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Re: Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Chicago Union Station

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 25 20:32:01 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Chicago Union Station, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Jul 25 20:29:08 2012.

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Shhhhh! Don't disturb Olog while he's looking for Germans. :)

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Re: Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of DC's Union Station

Posted by italianstallion on Wed Jul 25 20:40:17 2012, in response to Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Chicago Union Station, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 25 20:05:33 2012.

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HaHaHaHa. Olog has caught Chris-itis - chronic failure of reading comprehension.

Mayor Daley was mayor of "the District," - same district represented by Eleanor Holmes Norton? LOLOL.

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Re: Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Washington Union Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 25 20:40:42 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Chicago Union Station, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Jul 25 20:29:08 2012.

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OK, pwn3d mys3lf. That's what happens when I'm rushing to feed the kittehs.

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Re: Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Washington Union Station

Posted by italianstallion on Wed Jul 25 20:43:11 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Washington Union Station, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 25 20:40:42 2012.

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Good of you to man up.

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Re: Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Chicago Union Station

Posted by mike cruz on Wed Jul 25 21:37:22 2012, in response to Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Chicago Union Station, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 25 20:05:33 2012.

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Just build a damn HSR from DC to Orlando or Tampa so I can make trips to NY alot easier LOL.

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Re: Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Washington Union Station

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Jul 25 22:14:15 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Washington Union Station, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 25 20:40:42 2012.

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Re: Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Washington Union Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 25 22:23:54 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Washington Union Station, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Jul 25 22:14:15 2012.

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I'm still mad that I haven't seen a bobcat after living in NEPA for almost a decade. Several black bears, foxes, one copperhead (I think), even the occasional coyote, but no bobcats yet.

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Re: Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of DC's Union Station

Posted by Sand Box John on Wed Jul 25 23:26:00 2012, in response to Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Chicago Union Station, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 25 20:05:33 2012.

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Union Station Master Plan (13.8 MB PDF file)
Washington DC
Executive Summary 07 25 2012
Prepared by Parsons Brinckerhoff

Word over at Greater Greater Washington is "It first gave an exclusive to the Washington Post, though the paper's article didn't include many details of the actual plan (and a couple of errors) and I encourage readers to look at the plan itself first."

John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore.

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Re: Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Washington Union Station

Posted by Dave on Thu Jul 26 06:43:36 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Washington Union Station, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 25 22:23:54 2012.

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Bobcat

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Re: Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Chicago Union Station

Posted by orange blossom special on Thu Jul 26 10:25:31 2012, in response to Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Chicago Union Station, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 25 20:05:33 2012.

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Does the drawing have to look like a big bus station?

I mean I like modern, but I keep seeing the same modern everywhere. Chicagos station at least currently looks like a station.

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Re: Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Washington Union Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 26 10:55:51 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Chicago Union Station, posted by orange blossom special on Thu Jul 26 10:25:31 2012.

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I got the station wrong; attention was divided at the time. They want to do this to WAS.

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Re: Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Chicago Union Station

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Jul 26 11:34:55 2012, in response to Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Chicago Union Station, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 25 20:05:33 2012.

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Grand Central Station Chicago was abandoned by C&O/B&O in 1969 before Amtrak was even a bill in Congress. Secondly, the drive to shove all LD passenger trains in Chicago into a "real" union station was underway in the 30s. Having to change stations was a PITA.

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Re: Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Chicago Union Station

Posted by WillD on Thu Jul 26 12:48:38 2012, in response to Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Chicago Union Station, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 25 20:05:33 2012.

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Phase 1 of the project sounds rather sensible and fairly economical, and something which will greatly improve passenger access to the trains over the current airport style concourse. But I guess if you can't be bothered to read the article to determine which city you're talking about then expecting any railfan to read the implementation phases is simply asking far too much. Headlines are the only part of a story which have to be read, apparently.

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Re: Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Chicago Union Station

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jul 26 13:27:37 2012, in response to Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Chicago Union Station, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 25 20:05:33 2012.

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It's.....HIDEOUS.

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Re: Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Chicago Union Station

Posted by 3-9 on Thu Jul 26 18:08:55 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Chicago Union Station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jul 26 13:27:37 2012.

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AGREED, it doesn't hold a candle to the current Union Station.

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Re: Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Chicago Union Station

Posted by Alan Follett on Thu Jul 26 22:39:29 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Chicago Union Station, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Jul 26 11:34:55 2012.

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There were a number of proposals, as late as a mid-Fifties scheme to combine Grand Central, LaSalle, and Dearborn into a single facility just west of the existing LaSalle...which would have left Chicago with four main-line stations, still an improvement over six. And then there was the 1920's proposal, for which I've seen very detailed drawings from IC files, for a truly monumental station on approximately the Central Station site, supposedly just for the IC and its Michigan Central and Big Four tenants, but surely big enough and appropriately sited to have accommodated everything except perhaps C&NW and Milwaukee. And before those there was the Burnham Plan's suggestion for a single grand station west of the river, between Clinton and Canal Streets. (Though even this, I think, would have worked better for commuters if supplemented by two or three suburban stations on the IC east of Michigan Avenue, perpaps with a tunnel under the Chicago River to permit through operation with electrified C&NW and CM&StP suburban services.)

Amtrak did a Good Thing in 1971-72 when it consolidated all remaining intercity service into Union Station, though that facility as it now exists has been outgrown for both intercity and commuter traffic.

Alan Follett

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Re: Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Chicago Union Station

Posted by 3-9 on Fri Jul 27 12:01:28 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Chicago Union Station, posted by Alan Follett on Thu Jul 26 22:39:29 2012.

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Amtrak may have done a Good Thing then, but how good was it in the long term if expansion is an expensive PITA?

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Re: Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Chicago Union Station

Posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 27 16:09:08 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Chicago Union Station, posted by 3-9 on Fri Jul 27 12:01:28 2012.

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All that glass. Some is necessary for natural light, but stil over done.
It will be nicknamed Washington Union Airport or the Corning Glass Center at the Capital.

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Re: Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Washington Union Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 27 17:15:33 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak proposing colossal $7 billion for overhaul of Chicago Union Station, posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 27 16:09:08 2012.

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More fixing what ain't broken. If the Acela Express had steps and trapdoors, they wouldn't be jamming up the upper level high platforms.

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