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Posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Jul 15 02:30:49 2012 video:link: http://newyork.cbslocal.com/video?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=7483656 Driving in Midtown is going to get even more difficult. Mayor Michael Bloomberg has plans for yet another car-free pedestrian mall. This one is proposed for near Grand Central Terminal on Vanderbilt Avenue, CBS 2’s Marcia Kramer reported. After building pedestrian malls all around the city, Bloomberg is finally coming clean about why he’s doing it. In his heart of hearts he believes streets are for feet — not cars. “I think you gotta stop and say what are the streets for? They are for transportation. What is the basic first kind of transportation? It’s walking. And then you should look after that and see whether other things can fit in,” Bloomberg said. The mayor made his strongest anti-car pronouncement to date while discussing the city’s latest plan for a pedestrian mall — closing Vanderbilt to traffic from 47th Street to 42nd Street. Vanderbilt abuts Grand Central and, as CBS 2’s cameras observed, gets lots and lots of traffic from cars, taxis and trucks. However, in hizzoner’s eyes that’s not true. He said he thinks it’s okay to close it because in his mind it’s the road less traveled. “Vanderbilt is a street that gets virtually no traffic. There’s some but very small,” the mayor said. Some people welcome the idea of another car-free zone. “[It’s a] great idea. There’s more places you can walk and fewer cars,” said Upper East Side resident Mark Kirsch. “I think it’s an excellent idea. We need to have a little more place for people to walk. It’s just crazy. Look at the traffic,” added Indra Ramlogan of Ozone Park. But if you ask taxi drivers dropping off fares at Grand Central, you’ll get an altogether different response. “This is not good idea. This is a bad idea because so many times people have too many luggage, not able to walk,” driver and Corona, Queens, resident Pir Hassan said. Then there was the Fed Ex delivery man who spoke to Kramer. “It’s gonna make it more difficult for us to work,” said Brian Arno, who lives in Harlem. And then there are some of the people who commute to the city every day and don’t have time to walk around. “I think it’s terrible,” said Dr. Mortimer Feinberg of Croton-On-Hudson, N.Y. “The problem with the mayor is he’s not running for re-election. Otherwise, I’d say I would not support him.” Metropolitan Transportation Authority spokesman Aaron Donovan said the use of Vanderbilt “is critical to emergency responses at Grand Central Terminal. The safety of MTA customers is paramount.” Critics also wonder what will happen to the spaces reserved for law enforcement on Vanderbilt. Where will they park? The mayor insisted that emergency vehicles will still be able to get to Grand Central, but since there are no design plans yet, it is unclear how. ----http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/07/09/here-he-goes-again-bloomberg-wants-pedestrian-mall-on-vanderbilt-near-grand-central/ |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 15 03:03:11 2012, in response to Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Jul 15 02:30:49 2012. Not really on-topic, but good story.Makes no sense putting a pedestrian mall there. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 15 04:05:06 2012, in response to Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Jul 15 02:30:49 2012. Time to say bye-bye to the party-flipper. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Sun Jul 15 04:56:56 2012, in response to Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Jul 15 02:30:49 2012. Let's close Bloomberg's street so his private cars can never again drop him off in front of his home. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jul 15 06:17:24 2012, in response to Re: Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by G1Ravage on Sun Jul 15 04:56:56 2012. You can't do that because that street is a major crosstown thoroughfare. |
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Posted by chud1 on Sun Jul 15 06:23:26 2012, in response to Re: Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jul 15 06:17:24 2012. CLOSE DA STREET TO DA DICTATORS HOME!.chud1 |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Jul 15 08:07:40 2012, in response to Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Jul 15 02:30:49 2012. This is why economically successful people should not be allowed to hold public office. Like someone who thinks eggs come from the supermarket, not the chicken, they have lost touch with what it takes to make society function. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sun Jul 15 11:01:07 2012, in response to Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Jul 15 02:30:49 2012. I think its a good idea. I see no reason the city should be organized for the convenience of cab drivers and delivery people. |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Sun Jul 15 11:39:37 2012, in response to Re: Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by RockParkMan on Sun Jul 15 08:07:40 2012. Thank God he wasn't around when plans for the subway was being discussed, we probably would never had the subway built with him there. Karl |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Sun Jul 15 12:15:45 2012, in response to Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Jul 15 02:30:49 2012. I said it before, I'll say it again: Michael Bloomberg, GET THE HELL OUT OF NEW YORK! |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Jul 15 12:18:35 2012, in response to Re: Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Sun Jul 15 11:39:37 2012. In those days, the wealthy worked together with Government to better society to everyones benefit, today that is no longer the case. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Jul 15 12:23:00 2012, in response to Re: Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by mcorivervsaf on Sun Jul 15 12:15:45 2012. Look at how he got his loot. A total dirtbag. His companies should be dismantled and his employees put on EBT. They produce NOTHING. |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Jul 15 15:30:58 2012, in response to Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Jul 15 02:30:49 2012. So the consensus on this board, with one notable exception, is that we want mass transit, but we also want to make sure that every square meter of available street space is given over to the automobile. Yeah, that makes perfect sense :/ |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 15 17:04:14 2012, in response to Re: Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jul 15 06:17:24 2012. So was Broadway around Times Square. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Jul 15 17:22:56 2012, in response to Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Jul 15 02:30:49 2012. I don't recall which street(side of GCT) this is, so I can only say generically pedestrian malls make sense, and some of them should be done, or at least bigger sidewalksbut the quote he gives for his reasoning sounds lame. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 15 17:30:40 2012, in response to Re: Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jul 15 06:17:24 2012. Didn't stop Bloomberg from "creating" Times Square (Pedestrian) Plaza. |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Jul 15 17:36:34 2012, in response to Re: Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 15 17:30:40 2012. Since when is Broadway a cross town street? |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Sun Jul 15 17:48:24 2012, in response to Re: Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by WillD on Sun Jul 15 17:36:34 2012. Not a crosstown street, but a major thoroughfare. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 15 18:07:36 2012, in response to Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Jul 15 02:30:49 2012. something is seriously wrong with this man..we need to send him a strong message.." you are not our mother,stop trying to be.." |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 15 19:10:57 2012, in response to Re: Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by WillD on Sun Jul 15 15:30:58 2012. Scary that I was thinking the same thing. If you're pro trains, you should also be pro pedestrian. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Jul 15 19:39:02 2012, in response to Re: Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by WillD on Sun Jul 15 15:30:58 2012. Genius, how are you going to make deliveries to that area? |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sun Jul 15 20:03:11 2012, in response to Re: Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by WillD on Sun Jul 15 15:30:58 2012. With a push cart. FedEx uses them in Manhattan. |
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Posted by LA Scott on Mon Jul 16 19:18:24 2012, in response to Re: Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by WillD on Sun Jul 15 15:30:58 2012. Many people here don't care at all about transit, they just like to look at trains on the weekend.I love pedestrian plazas and sidewalk extensions. In my neighborhood, the closing of northbound 4th avenue for the tiny block between Atlantic and Flatbush has made things nicer for me. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 16 19:42:05 2012, in response to Re: Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by R36 #9346 on Sun Jul 15 17:48:24 2012. The new system is better. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 16 19:43:19 2012, in response to Re: Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by RockParkMan on Sun Jul 15 12:18:35 2012. That was back when people made their wealth from useful industry, and not worthless, wealth-taking arbitrage. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 16 19:44:03 2012, in response to Re: Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by RockParkMan on Sun Jul 15 12:23:00 2012. They created a financial information system. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Jul 16 19:44:15 2012, in response to Re: Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by orange blossom special on Sun Jul 15 17:22:56 2012. I actually like his idealistic reason... in the documentary "Taken for a ride" one politician fighting the interstate highway system said basically the same thing, something like "Are cities for people or for motorcars?" |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Mon Jul 16 20:08:36 2012, in response to Re: Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 15 18:07:36 2012. He should have never been allowed a third term. |
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Posted by chud1 on Tue Jul 17 03:51:45 2012, in response to Re: Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by LRG5784 on Mon Jul 16 20:08:36 2012. da people of nyc voted twice on a bill no limit da mayor to 2 consective terms.he forced da city coumcil to drop that. chud1 |
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Posted by chud1 on Tue Jul 17 03:56:20 2012, in response to Re: Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by chud1 on Tue Jul 17 03:51:45 2012. make that to limit.chud1 |
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Posted by merrick1 on Tue Jul 17 06:52:27 2012, in response to Re: Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by chud1 on Tue Jul 17 03:56:20 2012. The people did vote to reelect him. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 17 07:20:07 2012, in response to Re: Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by merrick1 on Tue Jul 17 06:52:27 2012. . . . including dead people and dead dogs? |
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Posted by merrick1 on Tue Jul 17 07:28:35 2012, in response to Re: Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 15 19:10:57 2012. I'll bet that a thousand times as many people cross Vanderbilt Avenue walking to and from Grand Central as drive down Vanderbilt Ave. There is often a huge crowd at the corner of 42nd St and Vanderbilt Ave. waiting to cross. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 17 08:54:30 2012, in response to Re: Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by R36 #9346 on Sun Jul 15 17:48:24 2012. Not a crosstown street, but a major thoroughfare.Broadway and Seventh Avenue through Times Square were virtually the same street with a median separating half of the lanes. All the pedestrian plaza did was rationalize the traffic pattern and make the signals operate more efficiently. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 17 08:55:50 2012, in response to Re: Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Sun Jul 15 11:39:37 2012. Thank God he wasn't around when plans for the subway was being discussed, we probably would never had the subway built with him there.On the contrary, I think he would have been the "Robert Moses of the subways" that people here wished New York had. Light rail, too. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 17 09:38:29 2012, in response to Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Jul 15 02:30:49 2012. Vanderbilt abuts Grand Central and, as CBS 2’s cameras observed, gets lots and lots of traffic from cars, taxis and trucks. However, in hizzoner’s eyes that’s not true. He said he thinks it’s okay to close it because in his mind it’s the road less traveled."Lots and lots" is subjective. It carries about a quarter of the traffic of Madison Avenue and about a tenth of the traffic of Third Avenue. And then there are some of the people who commute to the city every day and don’t have time to walk around. The city shouldn't cater to those people. “I think it’s terrible,” said Dr. Mortimer Feinberg of Croton-On-Hudson, N.Y. “The problem with the mayor is he’s not running for re-election. Otherwise, I’d say I would not support him.” LOL. Whether Bloomberg was running or not, what difference does a non-resident's support make? But if you ask taxi drivers dropping off fares at Grand Central, you’ll get an altogether different response...Then there was the Fed Ex delivery man who spoke to Kramer...The mayor insisted that emergency vehicles will still be able to get to Grand Central, but since there are no design plans yet, it is unclear how. It's 40 feet curb to curb. Leave a 20 foot service lane for taxis, deliveries, and emergency vehicles only. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 17 09:41:17 2012, in response to Re: Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by R36 #9346 on Sun Jul 15 17:48:24 2012. It was a major thoroughfare? News to me. |
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Posted by chud1 on Tue Jul 17 09:45:56 2012, in response to Re: Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by merrick1 on Tue Jul 17 06:52:27 2012. that is true but he did not win by much.chud1 |
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Posted by merrick1 on Tue Jul 17 19:01:20 2012, in response to Re: Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 17 09:38:29 2012. Most of the new pedestrian plazas have moveable furniture. I would only take a few minutes to move it out of the way for emergency vehicles. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Tue Jul 17 19:04:31 2012, in response to Re: Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 16 19:44:03 2012. We don't need it. We don't need the employees. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 17 19:19:34 2012, in response to Re: Bloomberg Wants Pedestrian Mall On Vanderbilt Near Grand Central Terminal, posted by merrick1 on Tue Jul 17 19:01:20 2012. You think you have a "few minutes" in a real emergency? |
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