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Posted by R32_3672 on Fri Jul 13 02:16:32 2012, in response to Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Fri Jul 13 01:58:55 2012. basically there going back to single with cabs again? |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Fri Jul 13 02:23:28 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by R32_3672 on Fri Jul 13 02:16:32 2012. Yes. |
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Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Fri Jul 13 02:28:06 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by G1Ravage on Fri Jul 13 02:23:28 2012. Yeah the small cabs 1651-1825, 1831-1840 will remain as 5 car units just no more F/W cabs. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Fri Jul 13 02:28:34 2012, in response to Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Fri Jul 13 01:58:55 2012. I personally don't mind, but people are gonna be maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.The problem here is that the Department of Car Equipment is embarking on an adventure to link together most of the remaining R-62A single cars. Corona Yard now has more linked sets than singles, so they need more flexibility to create usable and CONSISTENT 11-car sets. By removing all transverse cabs, they can arrange the consists in any way that they want, without restricting passenger movement in an emergency. It'll also add seats AND standing room for the passengers.... Only one set so far has had its cab knocked down. In fact, we still have one set with a transverse cab on the NORTH end. But the (7)'s gonna be a lot more interesting soon.... |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 13 02:39:45 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by G1Ravage on Fri Jul 13 02:28:34 2012. who's gonna be mad? the crews?I asked myself if this could mess with the current C/R position and boards. I don't think it will. |
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Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Fri Jul 13 03:06:21 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 13 02:39:45 2012. The way it is now is kind of messing up the boards only on the south bound side. The north bound side is fine. The new way soon will have everything back to normal. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Fri Jul 13 03:27:41 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 13 02:39:45 2012. Yes, the crews.Some of the boards might be a little off. When the R-62A's first hit the (7) line, a lot of the boards were WAY off, since they were set up for the redbirds with their single cabs, and we were eventually using tranvserse cabs on the R-62A's. A certain SubChatter was key in getting the boards finally adjusted for the R-62A's in their *current* setup. Now they might have to be moved again.... They should bring back the alternate indication boards while they're at it.... |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Fri Jul 13 05:10:17 2012, in response to Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Fri Jul 13 01:58:55 2012. Whoa, great news, but I know that's gonna piss off Train Operators on the 7 line for all too obvious reasons! |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Fri Jul 13 05:39:45 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by mcorivervsaf on Fri Jul 13 05:10:17 2012. It'll piss off the Conductors more. The T/O's already do it one way.... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 13 05:44:17 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by G1Ravage on Fri Jul 13 05:39:45 2012. Do they still teach how to properly stand by the storm door in school car anymore? :) |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Jul 13 07:46:02 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by mcorivervsaf on Fri Jul 13 05:10:17 2012. I remember one time I was at the RFW of a southbound 1 train at 242nd Street (when a bunch of Corona singles were up there), the T/O, a gentleman with a somewhat larger than average waistline, gets on. Upon seeing his operating position, he begins muttering to himself about the size of the compartment. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Jul 13 07:49:19 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Jul 13 07:46:02 2012. Didja have to help him get in the cab? Y'know, push the door closed like you're sitting on a suitcase to close it? LOLyour pal, Fred |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jul 13 07:59:40 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Jul 13 07:46:02 2012. That's they I felt when I worked with the R44s... |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Fri Jul 13 08:03:59 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 13 05:44:17 2012. 3 points of contact on cross over!! |
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Posted by handbrake on Fri Jul 13 08:35:49 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by Railman718 on Fri Jul 13 07:59:40 2012. Going back to telephone booth sized cabs will make the R46 cabs look like the Texas back 40.... Now, where to hang all those backpacks??? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jul 13 08:37:42 2012, in response to Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Fri Jul 13 01:58:55 2012. Wow...well, with the long outdoor run covering so many varied neighborhoods, the 7 was always a great line to railfan. So was the J, and the A to Far Rock... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jul 13 08:40:14 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by handbrake on Fri Jul 13 08:35:49 2012. I started in the A Div back in 2001 I got used to small cabs that's where I learned how to keep it moving standing.. With my backpack now the R44 it was more of sitting with my chest at the effing console and that reverser toooo close for comfort! |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jul 13 08:41:42 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jul 13 08:37:42 2012. You can still catch a R42 on da J line though all year round... |
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Posted by handbrake on Fri Jul 13 08:44:48 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by Railman718 on Fri Jul 13 08:40:14 2012. An R68 is no bargain either. I could not get over how close the R68 windsheild was to the operators nose. Funny, motormen back in the day were a slender lot. Must be the fast food... |
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Posted by handbrake on Fri Jul 13 08:47:11 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by Railman718 on Fri Jul 13 08:41:42 2012. Yes, a 42 on the No 1 end does have room to spare. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jul 13 08:50:07 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by handbrake on Fri Jul 13 08:44:48 2012. Actually my height was the issue with the R44s I know of a few TOs on the heafty side who had no problems with them.. R68s same thing height the single car cabs on the R62s I just liked a lot... |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Jul 13 13:23:34 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by G1Ravage on Fri Jul 13 03:27:41 2012. Do the conductor controls still work for the "blind" cabs? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 13 16:15:10 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Fri Jul 13 08:03:59 2012. You betcha!I wonder if anyone knows what "off-side" means? :) |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Fri Jul 13 17:14:08 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Jul 13 07:46:02 2012. I'll bet a lot of expletives were muttered. Who could blame him? |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 13 18:54:54 2012, in response to Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Fri Jul 13 01:58:55 2012. At which position are the C/R boards in each direction ?Are there any for 10 car trains ? |
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Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Sat Jul 14 02:14:31 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 13 18:54:54 2012. There never were any 10 car C/R boards when the 7 ran 10 car sets. There were 10 car markers.....all since removed. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Sat Jul 14 03:41:07 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Sat Jul 14 02:14:31 2012. No, most of the 10-Car Markers are still up. As well as the other sizes.... |
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Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Sat Jul 14 04:30:37 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by G1Ravage on Sat Jul 14 03:41:07 2012. 1651 and 1655 now have the half width cabs. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 14 05:30:30 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Sat Jul 14 04:30:37 2012. So the purpose of all this is consist flexibility, or is it more standing room ?Is this likely to happen on the mainline ? What happens when the #1 & #7 swap cars, as they often seem to do ? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jul 14 09:04:11 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by mcorivervsaf on Fri Jul 13 05:10:17 2012. Not just T/Os, conductors too. They have to go back to switching between cars depending on the side. And unlike all other car classes where that is required, the cab doors open outward, meaning passengers get in the way. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Jul 14 10:32:47 2012, in response to Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Fri Jul 13 01:58:55 2012. I think many people here would be very interested to see either photographs or a real, live video of the main steps of this process as it is performed on one car from start to finish. It would be far more interesting than most of what is on television these days. |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Sat Jul 14 10:44:20 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jul 14 09:04:11 2012. Yeah, that was actually a typo on my part, not mentioning the Conductors, that was implied, but I didn't put that in after typing it. Damn iPhone! |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Jul 14 11:49:25 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Jul 14 10:32:47 2012. Agreed. Another interesting question that they could answer is where they've been keeping all those extra seats for all this time. It's not like the fold out of the wall or anything. |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Sat Jul 14 12:05:41 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Jul 14 11:49:25 2012. I think they might have kept them all this time after the conversion to full width cabs, in the event of potential replacements for existing damaged seats from abuse, but that's just my theory. |
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Posted by Outside the Box on Sat Jul 14 12:22:02 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 14 05:30:30 2012. Southbound Flushing can use the extra standing space in the first car. 74th-Broadway has a set of stairs right by the first car southbound. 33rd-Rawson also has a set of stairs near the front. Transfers at Queensboro Plaza to and from the BMT Broadway has a heavy first car contingent. Court Sq's stair is also has its stairs by the first car. Grand Central, 5th Ave, and the future 34th St-11th Ave all have stairs by the 1st car. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jul 14 12:27:58 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 13 16:15:10 2012. Something tells me it has nothing to with slapping caps.:) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 14 12:28:09 2012, in response to Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Fri Jul 13 01:58:55 2012. Good. Those cabs occupy space needed when trains are at crush load levels. They should do the same thing to all the R62's, and move some over to the East Side. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 14 13:33:28 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jul 14 12:27:58 2012. Actually, even there it does. Your "normal side" is the same side the motorman is on. Off-side is when you have to cross over to the other cab or in OPTO, have to get out of your seat and cross the cab to the door controls. You get your exercise on a local. :) |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jul 14 14:39:59 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jul 14 09:04:11 2012. Exactly, it affects conductors more than t/o's.You have no idea how many passengers have attitudes when a c/r is operating a piece of equipment which requires him to go in and out of the cab to change sides. Couple that to the improper design of the R62A single cab doors. Obviously MTA/NYCT did not learn their lesson since the R21/22's were designed that way too. Wait a minute, if one of those bureaucrats was a c/r, he would know it was a mistake to design those cab doors that way and would not have made the same mistake on the 62A's. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jul 14 16:01:42 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jul 14 14:39:59 2012. The cab door design that way though allows for easily turning them into full width cabs... so I can see why they did it.What they *could* do is leave the vertical pole the wall and cab door lock into, and not put the seats back in. Converting the cabs then becomes quick/easy enough that the crew could do it. If a full width found its way to the middle of a train whoever is making up the consists could convert it back. As an added bonus there is more standing room. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Jul 14 16:37:45 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jul 14 16:01:42 2012. "As an added bonus there is more standing room."Or space for a wheelchair or stroller. |
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Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Sat Jul 14 16:43:04 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jul 14 16:01:42 2012. As of yesterday 1 consist was running minus 2 F/W cabs S 1766*-1770* 2047 1656-1660 N. * cabs not taken down yet. Also, 1651-1655 have lost their F/W cabs as well. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jul 14 16:45:18 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jul 14 16:01:42 2012. Actually, as originally designed, the R-68s were supposed to have cabs that could be easily convertible from corner to transverse and vice versa sort of like the way the rear portion of a Lo-V cab folds out from the rear bulkhead. The design was changed to the present "cab and a half" during manufacture. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jul 14 16:46:37 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jul 14 14:39:59 2012. Until the R-62s, the only car class with backwards cab doors was the R-21. The R-22s had "normal" cab doors. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jul 14 16:49:35 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 14 12:28:09 2012. Since OPTO on the mainlines seems to be a long way off, that is a distinct possibility. I also assume that the cabs will retain their new configuration when the Pelham and Flushing swap fleets. |
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Posted by Handbrake on Sat Jul 14 17:17:34 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by randyo on Sat Jul 14 16:49:35 2012. As I have heard from a few retired veterans, an agreement between NYCT & the TWU limits OPTO operation a train no longer than 300 feet. TWU delegates please welcomed to comment... |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jul 14 18:57:07 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jul 14 16:01:42 2012. When the cars were built, I doubt if it ever entered into the minds of any MTA/NYCT suit that one day the cabs would be converted into transverse ones.That goes for linking the R62, 62A, 68 and 68A cars. If so, they would have came out of the factory already linked, thereby saving money on the initial price of the cars. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jul 14 18:57:57 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by randyo on Sat Jul 14 16:46:37 2012. I sit corrected. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jul 14 19:07:10 2012, in response to Re: Railfan windows return to the 7, posted by Handbrake on Sat Jul 14 17:17:34 2012. That is correct. That is why when NYCT tried to shove OPTO up our collective *** for weekends on the L, the union filed a grivance and won.Where the contract is consistently violated is loading guidelines: a c/r is needed if the total passenger load is more than 50% of the standing load. In other words, if each car has 50 seats, there can be no more than 25 standees. Ride the Franklin Shuttle in the AM rush when school is open to see multiple daily violations. Why the union doesn't squawk is beyond me. |
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