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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Jul 4 09:46:24 2012, in response to Official Stance on What to do if someone Falls on the Tracks?, posted by E and F and sometimes J on Wed Jul 4 09:42:43 2012. I dont think there is a "Official" stance regarding this... |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 4 10:00:57 2012, in response to Official Stance on What to do if someone Falls on the Tracks?, posted by E and F and sometimes J on Wed Jul 4 09:42:43 2012. There is no official policy except for employees for several reasons.As to "Who is right"? I'd say that it depends on the circumstances. Keep in mind that it looks far easier than it is for you to pull yourself up from the roadbed to the platform. The last resort is to go down. If the person falls or is pushed and is coherent and uninjured or slightly injured, help them up without going down yourself. If you do go down, remember that in most cases you will not be safe trying to get under the platform if a train approaches and getting into a niche in the wall, to the extent that they still exist, will usually mean crossing over and then standing next to a 3rd rail as the train passes. If you can, the best bet is to notify a station agent or call 911 and hope for the best, |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Jul 4 10:10:30 2012, in response to Re: Official Stance on What to do if someone Falls on the Tracks?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 4 10:00:57 2012. That sounds about what ones gut feeling should be. Folks don't know how deep that is till they get down there . |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Jul 4 10:43:01 2012, in response to Re: Official Stance on What to do if someone Falls on the Tracks?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 4 10:00:57 2012. If getting into a niche is not possible, then my my suggestion is to have the person lay flat in the track trough, if one exists, and, even though they will get dirty, they'll probably not get hit by the train. If I were standing on the platform, I'd run for the emergency power cut-off box and stand there activating it until help arrived, telephoning the control center if possible. Someone else could notify the station agent or other personnel. There are other things I could do, depending on the location of the fallen person and when the next train might arrive, but it's best not to mention them here. |
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Posted by Dan on Wed Jul 4 10:45:57 2012, in response to Re: Official Stance on What to do if someone Falls on the Tracks?, posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Jul 4 10:43:01 2012. I'd try to flag down an incoming train by waving my arms. Not many good choices here. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jul 4 10:47:15 2012, in response to Re: Official Stance on What to do if someone Falls on the Tracks?, posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Jul 4 10:43:01 2012. Running 300' on a crowded platform takes time.It takes 18 seconds for a train to enter the station. Cut the power the train can still coast into the station. ROAR |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 4 11:02:14 2012, in response to Re: Official Stance on What to do if someone Falls on the Tracks?, posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Jul 4 10:43:01 2012. EABs are 600' apart and could be located on any one of 2, 3 or 4 tracks. Crowds will complicate your efforts and you'll likely have to go to the roadbed to get to the EAB when you find it. |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Jul 4 13:32:33 2012, in response to Re: Official Stance on What to do if someone Falls on the Tracks?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 4 11:02:14 2012. My immediate thought were the ones located just outside the station platforms. Actually, there is no definitive answer for this type of situation, and never will be. Each incident must be quickly assessed and remedial action taken, if that is at all possible. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Wed Jul 4 13:54:54 2012, in response to Re: Official Stance on What to do if someone Falls on the Tracks?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 4 11:02:14 2012. The Montreal Metro has power cut-off switches on the platforms. Scroll down to "Assistance Stations" and "Fire Equipment Cabinets."I was surprised the first time I saw this but I've never heard that they have a problem with vandals turning the power off. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jul 4 13:59:25 2012, in response to Re: Official Stance on What to do if someone Falls on the Tracks?, posted by merrick1 on Wed Jul 4 13:54:54 2012. Because the ridership respects the system a lot more than here. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jul 4 14:50:26 2012, in response to Official Stance on What to do if someone Falls on the Tracks?, posted by E and F and sometimes J on Wed Jul 4 09:42:43 2012. What does the booth agent do exactly. And how long does it take the agent to do what they are supposed to do. |
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Posted by E and F and sometimes J on Wed Jul 4 15:06:18 2012, in response to Re: Official Stance on What to do if someone Falls on the Tracks?, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jul 4 14:50:26 2012. Telephone? Radio? Flip-a-switch?You're asking me? |
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Posted by Handbrake on Wed Jul 4 17:57:07 2012, in response to Re: Official Stance on What to do if someone Falls on the Tracks?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 4 11:02:14 2012. The assumption is that the EA box & telephone work. Seeking help from the CB station agent may waste valuable time, not to mention is the station agent know what telephone number to call at either the RCC or PCC. |
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Posted by Handbrake on Wed Jul 4 18:00:22 2012, in response to Re: Official Stance on What to do if someone Falls on the Tracks?, posted by E and F and sometimes J on Wed Jul 4 15:06:18 2012. It is best to call 911, assuming that there is a nearby & working telephone at the station or via cellular telephone service if available. |
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Posted by handbrake on Wed Jul 4 18:06:16 2012, in response to Official Stance on What to do if someone Falls on the Tracks?, posted by E and F and sometimes J on Wed Jul 4 09:42:43 2012. "My reasoning is, that if you immediately try to pull the person up you waste critical time before the train enters the station and the third rail re-energizes and you will end up with the person being run over or electrocuted." Why are you under the impression that the contact rail will re-energize when a train enters the station? Regenerative braking? The contact(3rd) rail is always energized (Hot), and available to power traction equipment, bank of lights, or other ancillary DC devices. What is you impression of how NYC subway traction power is taken from the contact rail? |
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Posted by E and F and sometimes J on Wed Jul 4 20:19:21 2012, in response to Re: Official Stance on What to do if someone Falls on the Tracks?, posted by handbrake on Wed Jul 4 18:06:16 2012. Maybe re-energize was not the correct word. The 3rd rail does make an audible snap when a train is nearing the station, to me it seemed like the 3rd rail was inactive before the train approaches or not at full power all of the time.Power is taken from the 3rd rail by conductive shoes attached to the bottom sides of the train cars. If an electric train loses all of her shoes, that electric train doesn't move. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 4 20:47:22 2012, in response to Re: Official Stance on What to do if someone Falls on the Tracks?, posted by Handbrake on Wed Jul 4 17:57:07 2012. New policy was that phones were checked 2x per week of something of that nature. Reported inoperative phones was made a big deal. |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Thu Jul 5 00:12:15 2012, in response to Re: Official Stance on What to do if someone Falls on the Tracks?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 4 20:47:22 2012. Here's just a thought. In school car, motormen, working together, are taught how to jump trains should one stall between third rail sections, using a heavy cable. Would it not be possible to have, at each station, a similar, well insulted cable that could be used to "short out" the signal system on a section of track where someone had fallen or if it were otherwise be necessary to stop a train? This cable would have to be manned by two people who would remain on the station platform; one end of the cable would only have to be touched to the inside web of the rail furthest from the station, and the other end of the cable to the top of the rail closest to the platform. Of course, extreme care would have to be used and personnel trained not to go near the third rail with the cable. If this suggestion were adopted, all operating TA personnel, including the police, would have to be trained to perform this operation in an emergency. By doing this, the signals in a block would change to red, and the trips arms would rise, forcing the train to stop, most likely before it even entered the station. |
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Posted by MGL on Thu Jul 5 21:56:42 2012, in response to Official Stance on What to do if someone Falls on the Tracks?, posted by E and F and sometimes J on Wed Jul 4 09:42:43 2012. The best thing to do is to stay on the platform, walking in the direction a train is most likely to arrive, being prepared to wave anything that you can, in the face of an oncoming train to signal an emergency.This is the only simple, sure way, to attempt to stop an oncoming train. Once you are in position to signal train operator of an emergency, only then should someone else seek help in another fashion. Michael |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Jul 6 13:38:32 2012, in response to Re: Official Stance on What to do if someone Falls on the Tracks?, posted by E and F and sometimes J on Wed Jul 4 15:06:18 2012. Maybe, usually someone who knows for sure answers.You're the one who claimed to tell the booth, but with such frequent headways, I'm curious what that accomplishes. I get the feeling that the booth person has to go up another level or two before something is done. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Jul 7 15:43:46 2012, in response to Re: Official Stance on What to do if someone Falls on the Tracks?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jul 4 13:59:25 2012. Even in low-respect New York the trains have emergency brakes in each car, and it's pretty rare for them to be abused.My blog |
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