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Posted by Allan on Fri Jun 29 19:45:22 2012 On July 1, 1937, the Brodaway station opened to the public.Actually all stations on the IND Brooklyn-Queens Crosstown line from Nassau St to Bergen St opened on this date. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sat Jun 30 14:06:05 2012, in response to 75 years ago this Sunday, posted by Allan on Fri Jun 29 19:45:22 2012. Yes, "BRODAWAY" is still there in tile form, as I rode the "G" line going southbound (in R-68A car #5192) from Metropolitan Avenue-Grand Street to Hoyt-Schermerhorn Streets yesterday (6/29/12) to acknowledge the anniversary of that route's connecting extension. By the way, it's Nassau Avenue [not Street] you are referring to.-William A. Padron ["Myrtle...Willoughby"] |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jun 30 14:14:28 2012, in response to 75 years ago this Sunday, posted by Allan on Fri Jun 29 19:45:22 2012. While the "GG" is a unique subway route, I wish that they had taken the money for that route- and for the Concourse, and put it towards the 2nd Ave subway. |
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Posted by Allan on Sat Jun 30 14:56:39 2012, in response to Re: 75 years ago this Sunday, posted by William A. Padron on Sat Jun 30 14:06:05 2012. Sorry about that, I was heading to lower Manhattan after I made the post and I had Nassau St on my mind. |
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Posted by sitechboy on Sat Jun 30 15:04:16 2012, in response to 75 years ago this Sunday, posted by Allan on Fri Jun 29 19:45:22 2012. 2 related questions.Was the construction on South 4th done simultaneously? How was Bedford Nostrand intended to operate? I've spent some time in that tower recently, and been scratching my head as to how E3/E4 would see service |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jun 30 15:12:39 2012, in response to 75 years ago this Sunday, posted by Allan on Fri Jun 29 19:45:22 2012. Didn't the MTA take over the subways on July 1st, 1968? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jun 30 15:18:04 2012, in response to 75 years ago this Sunday, posted by Allan on Fri Jun 29 19:45:22 2012. On this date (7/01) in 1918, the 6th and 9th ave els began service to the Bronx and the express track from 125th St-155th St was opened on the 6th/9th ave els. |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sat Jun 30 15:28:05 2012, in response to Re: 75 years ago this Sunday, posted by sitechboy on Sat Jun 30 15:04:16 2012. E3/4 would have been a terminal track like Whitehall, with southbound trains terminating staying on "E3" from the Lafayette Av line. Heading back "north," they would have switched onto "E4" after departing. Through service from/to Lafayette would have used the constructed switches n/o B-N to the current mainline tracks. I used quotes around the track designations because I don't know what the Lafayette line would have been chained as. |
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Posted by sitechboy on Sat Jun 30 17:04:27 2012, in response to Re: 75 years ago this Sunday, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sat Jun 30 15:28:05 2012. i need to check again, but i feel like those diamonds aren't north of the station (like the track map site shows)that was my confusion about the thru service. seemed like the middle track would need to be bi-directional. |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sat Jun 30 20:58:49 2012, in response to Re: 75 years ago this Sunday, posted by sitechboy on Sat Jun 30 17:04:27 2012. I'm pretty sure the switches are there, otherwise they wouldn't be able to turn trains when they short-line at B-N without 2 reverse moves.The middle track connects to both tails like Whitehall, just a slightly different layout. |
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Posted by David on Sat Jun 30 21:14:46 2012, in response to Re: 75 years ago this Sunday, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jun 30 15:12:39 2012. No...it was March 1 of that year.David |
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Posted by gbs on Sat Jun 30 21:18:38 2012, in response to Re: 75 years ago this Sunday, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sat Jun 30 20:58:49 2012. The switches are there, north (really, east) of the station. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jun 30 22:13:48 2012, in response to Re: 75 years ago this Sunday, posted by David on Sat Jun 30 21:14:46 2012. Something happened on either July 1st, 1967 or July 1st, 1968, involving the subways. I can't remember what! |
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Posted by VictorM on Sat Jun 30 22:35:10 2012, in response to Re: 75 years ago this Sunday, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jun 30 22:13:48 2012. The KK started running on July 1, 1968 using the brand new Chrystie St connection from the Willy B (now used by the M). |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sun Jul 1 09:26:01 2012, in response to Re: 75 years ago this Sunday, posted by gbs on Sat Jun 30 21:18:38 2012. I was almost certain of that but since it has been over 30 years since I rode through there and saw them. Knowing Transit's penchant for removing switches, I wouldn't have put it past them to have done so and required a Chinese fire drill to turn service at B-N. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jul 1 13:30:43 2012, in response to Re: 75 years ago this Sunday, posted by VictorM on Sat Jun 30 22:35:10 2012. Thanks! Didn't "B" service begin, also? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jul 1 13:48:53 2012, in response to Re: 75 years ago this Sunday, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jul 1 13:30:43 2012. 57th St/6th Av opened on 7/01/68? |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sun Jul 1 13:52:17 2012, in response to Re: 75 years ago this Sunday, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jul 1 13:48:53 2012. Yes, 57th Street/6th Avenue opened on this date 44 years ago on July 1, 1968, with non-rush hour "B" and rush hour "KK" trains using the station as their northern terminal in Manhattan. Stayed that way until the weekend of October 28-29, 1989.-William A. Padron ["57th Street"] |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sun Jul 1 13:58:10 2012, in response to Re: 75 years ago this Sunday, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jun 30 14:14:28 2012. The Crosstown line was originally planned as a BMT route leaving Queensborough Plaza on an elevated structure along the same route as the IND was to have been up until Broadway. Then, it was to have follow along several streets until it reached the Franklin Avenue Line, and connecting with it at Fulton Street.The provisions could be seen at the intersection of Jackson Avenue and Queens Boulevard where you might see the steel track support coming out eastward. Credit (or maybe blame) Mayor John Hylan by seizing the route away from the BMT and place it under control as an IND subway route. -William A. Padron [">-To Crosstown Line->"] |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sun Jul 1 14:01:27 2012, in response to Re: 75 years ago this Sunday, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sun Jul 1 09:26:01 2012. Whenever there have been track reconstructions or service delays along this route, "G" trains can be turned back in the middle track at Bedford-Nostrand. The switches are still there, but I have never seen the two pocket lay-up tracks east of the station being used to store trains.-William A. Padron ["B'klyn-Queens. Lcl."] |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sun Jul 1 14:03:54 2012, in response to Re: 75 years ago this Sunday, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jun 30 15:18:04 2012. And 79 years ago today on July 1 in 1933, the IND Concourse line was opened from 145th Street-Saint Nicholas Avenue in Manhattan to 205th Street-Norwood in the Bronx. When it first opened, "C" express and "CC" local trains used that route.-William A. Padron ["Concourse/Fordham"] |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sun Jul 1 16:54:56 2012, in response to Re: 75 years ago this Sunday, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Jul 1 14:01:27 2012. I recall seeing them ramp-down right after the switches from the RFW of a n/b GG and then they were gone from view because of the tunnel veering left right after that ramp. I think Peter's diagram gives the wrong impression about them being at the same level and dead-ending before the turn into Marcy. IINM, they end at Marcy, below the revenue portion. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Jul 1 17:06:19 2012, in response to Re: 75 years ago this Sunday, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jun 30 14:14:28 2012. Its a good thing the IND built the Concourse, the areas it serves is densely populated and even though the (4) runs along side it both lines have GREAT ridership. The (4) would have been really overcrowded if the IND didn't build a subway there. And they serve different parts of Mantthan.I agree with you about the Crosstown line. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jul 1 21:10:26 2012, in response to Re: 75 years ago this Sunday, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Jul 1 17:06:19 2012. The City decided to build the Concourse line instead. Otherwise, they would have had to either condenm the 2nd Ave el (a la 6th Ave el) or underpin the pillars from 129th St to 23rd Street. Either way, it would have been expensive. But, at least we would have had a 4 track subway under 2nd Ave, unlike this 2 track compromise thing with the stations far apart! |
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Posted by gbs on Tue Jul 3 02:56:26 2012, in response to Re: 75 years ago this Sunday, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sun Jul 1 16:54:56 2012. There's a similar error on the track map at 2 Av (F), where it looks like the tail tracks end before the north-bound track, when in reality the north-bound F track dips below the tail tracks and rises as it enters the 2 Av station.I pointed this out several years ago, and it may have been corrected in the newer editions of the book, but the online map still has the error. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jul 3 07:04:54 2012, in response to Re: 75 years ago this Sunday, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Jul 1 17:06:19 2012. Although there have been threats over the years to get rid of the Jerome Ave Line- fist, the IND was supposed to replace it..and then again inthe early 80s there I beleive there was talk of eliminating it to save money, and in the early-mid 90s, a plan to close some of its stations, including Mt. Eden Avenue. The last one I actually remember, from before there was an easily accessible public internet...Good that none of these things actually happened. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jul 3 07:16:55 2012, in response to Re: 75 years ago this Sunday, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Jul 1 13:52:17 2012. I truly hate to argue with your, sir,---but in fact, the K disappeared after 8/27/76, so from then until sometime in 1978, the B had 57/6th to itself. Then the JFK Express came along, which used 57th/6th as its terminal until 21st/Queensbridge opened.Fro 6 months or so, from the opening of 21st/Queensbridge until the death of the JFK, it provided regular-fare service between 57th/6th & Queensbridge (premium-fare service the rest of the route). |
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Posted by chud1 on Tue Jul 3 08:59:02 2012, in response to Re: 75 years ago this Sunday, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jul 3 07:04:54 2012. this i heard also, good thing it never happened. da IND Concourse line would have been packed if they closed da Jerome Ave #4 line.chud1 |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Jul 3 09:34:06 2012, in response to Re: 75 years ago this Sunday, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jul 3 07:16:55 2012. And weekdays daytime, the Q served that section with the F/Q train running midnight hours. Between the last B until the first F/Q, the JFK was the only available service in those days.There also was the Grand St shuttle pre-Dec. 1988. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Jul 3 11:34:40 2012, in response to Re: 75 years ago this Sunday, posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Jul 3 09:34:06 2012. Yes, and all of your statements are correct, so no argument from me on this topic. The original statement that I made should have been carefully worded as being the "B" and rush-hour "KK" trains first using that station when it opened back then. All the changes in service you mentioned are true.To clarify also, it remained basically as a *terminal* station until the opening of the 63rd Street Extension, but the tunnel provision north of 57th Street (up to a point near 5th Avenue) was laid out with tracks previously in the earlier part of the decade. I recall for the 50th Anniversary IND celebration in September 1982, the museum R-1/9's was able to come in southbound from the 63rd Street tunnel as their "entrance" recorded by the TV cameras back then. -William A. Padron ["The Music Box"] |
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