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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Jun 24 18:54:01 2012, in response to R44's on Barges?, posted by Dj Hammers on Sun Jun 24 18:47:30 2012. These might be the R44s that did not go through GOH and were stored revenue inactive.wayne |
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Posted by bklyntekgeek on Sun Jun 24 19:18:45 2012, in response to R44's on Barges?, posted by Dj Hammers on Sun Jun 24 18:47:30 2012. Those are indeed R-68 / R-68A's not R-44s. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 24 19:28:21 2012, in response to R44's on Barges?, posted by Dj Hammers on Sun Jun 24 18:47:30 2012. Those are clearly new R68's. Not sure why they are being barged, I was under the impression they arrived via rail from upstate via the NYCRR. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 24 19:33:34 2012, in response to Re: R44's on Barges?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 24 19:28:21 2012. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R68_(New_York_City_Subway_car)The cars were built in France from 1986 to 1988 and shipped to New York Harbor. I was unaware the hippo bodies were made in France. I thought they were manufactured in Canada. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 24 20:36:19 2012, in response to Re: R44's on Barges?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 24 19:33:34 2012. I remember reading they could be seen throughout the rural French countryside on flatbed trucks. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Mon Jun 25 12:25:52 2012, in response to R44's on Barges?, posted by Dj Hammers on Sun Jun 24 18:47:30 2012. Those are R68s being delivered. The R68As had number boards behind the motorman's cab windows. I thought the R68s were delivered through Greenville and NYCH same as the overhauled cars and scrap car routing to 2nd Avenue. What shipping routing would these cars need to be proceeding South under the Brooklyn Bridge if they came through either Port Newark like the R62s or it this a typical NYCH routing since there is a freight car aboard? |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jun 25 13:08:07 2012, in response to Re: R44's on Barges?, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Jun 24 18:54:01 2012. Take a look at the window arrangement. They are either R-68s or 68As. |
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Posted by Allan on Mon Jun 25 14:15:09 2012, in response to R44's on Barges?, posted by Dj Hammers on Sun Jun 24 18:47:30 2012. They are definitely R44's.You have to look at the description placed on them as a clue (gives a date of 1987) but also if you look at this pic and you'll see that the number plates are black with 3 white numbers on them.  As to the windows on the head end, I think that they were placed as "single" cars on the barge with the cab end facing forward rather than as married pairs with the non-cab ends facing each other. http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/imgdate |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 25 14:32:17 2012, in response to Re: R44's on Barges?, posted by Allan on Mon Jun 25 14:15:09 2012. I zoomed in and see the number plates really look 3-digit. Only one problem: no R44 (or R46) has cab windows at both ends of their cars. Either they have one (A) or none (B):
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jun 25 14:39:56 2012, in response to Re: R44's on Barges?, posted by Allan on Mon Jun 25 14:15:09 2012. Take a good look at the window configuration. R-44s and 46s had a cab and associated window at only one end of the car. The cars in this photo have a cab window at bothe ends of the car which R-44/46s don't have. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 25 14:40:41 2012, in response to Re: R44's on Barges?, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 25 14:39:56 2012. I see we concur. There is absolutely no doubt these are R68/68A's. |
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Posted by Mr. D - Type on Mon Jun 25 14:41:24 2012, in response to Re: R44's on Barges?, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 25 13:08:07 2012. Randyo, you are correct those are 68's, no doubt about it. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 25 14:46:42 2012, in response to Re: R44's on Barges?, posted by BLE-NIMX on Mon Jun 25 12:25:52 2012. I think the latter. Now that I think about it, the only logical way to have them enter the city via rail is via the NYCHR, since there's really no rail crossing (except in Albany) across the Hudson. And if they came directly from France, they would have been offloaded in the "port" of New York, which in recent years means New Jersey. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 25 14:51:43 2012, in response to Re: R44's on Barges?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 25 14:46:42 2012. This would also concur with my observations in 1987 of new R68's sitting on the Bay Ridge ROW near where you normally see freight cars lined up, near the BQE. However, these cars were fully built, with 4 digit number boards and rollsigns. |
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I have to agree (Re: R44's on Barges?) |
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Posted by Allan on Mon Jun 25 16:03:03 2012, in response to Re: R44's on Barges?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 25 14:40:41 2012. After closer look, I have to agree that they are R68/68As.Another clue is the placement of the number plates on the side. R44 and R 46 cars had the back number plate mounted close to the end of the car. |
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Posted by CJ on Mon Jun 25 16:10:02 2012, in response to R44's on Barges?, posted by Dj Hammers on Sun Jun 24 18:47:30 2012. These are R68/68As. |
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Re: I have to agree (Re: R44's on Barges?) |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Mon Jun 25 18:37:12 2012, in response to I have to agree (Re: R44's on Barges?), posted by Allan on Mon Jun 25 16:03:03 2012. Another tell: The storm door on the 44/46 is flush with the car body; the 68 is recessed like the 40M/42. |
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Captions fixed (Re: R44's on Barges?) |
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Posted by Allan on Mon Jun 25 19:40:42 2012, in response to R44's on Barges?, posted by Dj Hammers on Sun Jun 24 18:47:30 2012. The captions at nycsubway.org have been adjusted to read R68. |
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Re: Captions fixed (Re: R44's on Barges?) |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Mon Jun 25 20:04:48 2012, in response to Captions fixed (Re: R44's on Barges?), posted by Allan on Mon Jun 25 19:40:42 2012. Except the image info still says that they are R44's under the "car" section. |
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Re: Captions fixed (Re: R44's on Barges?) |
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Posted by Queens Surface 295 on Mon Jun 25 20:27:47 2012, in response to Re: Captions fixed (Re: R44's on Barges?), posted by Dj Hammers on Mon Jun 25 20:04:48 2012. It will be fixed soon, I'm sure. |
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Re: I have to agree (Re: R44's on Barges?) |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Mon Jun 25 21:57:39 2012, in response to Re: I have to agree (Re: R44's on Barges?), posted by Dupont Circle Station on Mon Jun 25 18:37:12 2012. Another clue: they look like 68s and not 46s!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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