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Georgia DOT: High Speed Rail Network 'Feasible' |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Jun 24 18:21:14 2012 But details are sorely lacking.None but HNTB's finest handwaving engineering: Georgia DOT Presentation Curiously absent are mentions of maximum speeds, average speeds, headways, or ridership assumptions which must have been made to arrive at the conclusions about operational and capital costs, and ticket prices that they reached. But from the cost estimates either they're massively overestimating the cost of a 110mph diesel line, or slightly underestimating the cost of a 186-220mph new build electric line. A 2009 study by GDOT foolishly recommended the construction of a 150mph diesel line, completely ignoring the onerous requirements of the FRA's Tier II regulations. Even more unfortunate, that study performed nothing in the way of ridership studies to confirm that the ridership and revenue would more than likely triple or even quadruple with a 200mph corridor's halving of travel times when compared to 90mph line. Unfortunately from the cost estimates for both studies it looks like they may be plotting a new-build, diesel high speed rail line. If Georgia DOT is counting on manufacturers to deliver on a Tier II compatible, fossil fueled locomotive for their HSR they're going to be waiting a *very* long time as even Bombardier has sworn off those beasts after the JetTrain fiasco. They'll end up with units like the NJT DPs, with a premium price that completely erases the supposed capital cost reduction from not electrifying, while providing none of the operational cost savings the electrification and corresponding bump in performance would bring with it. But I suppose if the Red States figure they can get a few more pork barrel dollars out of the Feds with their own High Speed Rail lines, and if it'll break the Republican obstructionism to anything and everything rail based, then it'll be worth it in the long run, even if Georgia's plan may be the worst yet floated. |
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Posted by kp5308 on Mon Jun 25 11:38:52 2012, in response to Georgia DOT: High Speed Rail Network 'Feasible', posted by WillD on Sun Jun 24 18:21:14 2012. Curiously absent are mentions of maximum speeds, average speeds, headways, or ridership assumptions which must have been made to arrive at the conclusions about operational and capital costs, and ticket prices that they reached. But from the cost estimates either they're massively overestimating the cost of a 110mph diesel line, or slightly underestimating the cost of a 186-220mph new build electric line.It ain't "curious". They are telling us they are making assumptions which may or may not be grounded in some sort of reality. When there is such a big swing between the low & high amounts to build each phase basic decisions & calculations have not been made. But we can get a little insight from THIS . A little clip: A consultant presented the study to the state transportation board Wednesday, estimating the proposed route's cost between $5 and $16 billion. To give you some idea how much that figure is, ten counties in Metro Atlanta could levy a proposed one-cent transportation sales tax and over ten years, it would raise an amount near the low estimate of the rail link's cost. This is good. Let those that are going to pay for the construction know a little about the financial decision they will need to make (since little is known at this point). Unfortunately from the cost estimates for both studies it looks like they may be plotting a new-build, diesel high speed rail line. IMO it is a good start. The system can be speeded up with electrification if it proves to be an attractive alternative. But I suppose if the Red States figure they can get a few more pork barrel dollars out of the Feds with their own High Speed Rail lines, and if it'll break the Republican obstructionism to anything and everything rail based, then it'll be worth it in the long run, even if Georgia's plan may be the worst yet floated. Some of the early returns on this are not too promising . Take note of the responses to the article. But, of course it will be entirely the Republicans fault. Never mind this little statement: But the state has been reluctant to fund rail for decades. |
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Re: Georgia DOT: High Speed Rail Network 'Feasible' |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 25 13:29:48 2012, in response to Georgia DOT: High Speed Rail Network 'Feasible', posted by WillD on Sun Jun 24 18:21:14 2012. Wow. A study supporting the spending of massive amounts of money and leading to an unprecedented growth of power and size to the government body which will oversee both construction and operation of a high speed rail network that was commissioned by the very same body?Can't wait to see that Vatican study demonstrating conclusively that Jesus Christ existed and was the Son of God. |
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Re: Georgia DOT: High Speed Rail Network 'Feasible' |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Mon Jun 25 15:48:41 2012, in response to Re: Georgia DOT: High Speed Rail Network 'Feasible', posted by kp5308 on Mon Jun 25 11:38:52 2012. You automatically oppose any rail project unless it is a giveaway for a welfare sucking class 1 freight line. America will NEVER progress until the curse of Reagan is exeorcised from the nation. This includes the ceremonial degradation and recycling of that aircraft carrier. |
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Re: Georgia DOT: High Speed Rail Network 'Feasible' |
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Posted by kp5308 on Mon Jun 25 17:12:37 2012, in response to Re: Georgia DOT: High Speed Rail Network 'Feasible', posted by Rockparkman on Mon Jun 25 15:48:41 2012. You automatically oppose any rail project unless it is a giveaway for a welfare sucking class 1 freight line.Uhhhh...only one of the options is sharing track with the freight carriers. Do we need to print it in German for you? |
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Re: Georgia DOT: High Speed Rail Network 'Feasible' |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 25 17:19:07 2012, in response to Re: Georgia DOT: High Speed Rail Network 'Feasible', posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 25 13:29:48 2012. No; the Vatican won't do that because that's a matter of faith.Liberal politicians do feel compelled to overtly lie, though. |
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