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NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by via Pelham on Sat Jun 16 10:39:33 2012

http://www.ny1.com/content/news_beats/transit/163215/long-island-city-residents-frustrated-with-lirr-noise

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by 3-9 on Sat Jun 16 11:05:56 2012, in response to NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by via Pelham on Sat Jun 16 10:39:33 2012.

Neighbors of a Long Island Railroad rail yard say they have had it with the constant noise.

a) Move, and b) use this experience to DO YOUR DAMN HOMEWORK NEXT TIME.

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by andy on Sat Jun 16 13:21:12 2012, in response to NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by via Pelham on Sat Jun 16 10:39:33 2012.

That yard has been there since 1860. If any of today's residents can prove they were in their current dwelling units in 1860, then they can file a lawsuit.

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jun 16 13:53:59 2012, in response to Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by andy on Sat Jun 16 13:21:12 2012.

You do, of course, realize that they will forthwith wheel a 160-year-old retired collier into court, who will state for the record that he complained the steam engines were bothering his horses when the yard was built, to no avail...LOL!

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by Dj Hammers on Sat Jun 16 14:04:36 2012, in response to NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by via Pelham on Sat Jun 16 10:39:33 2012.

They have no valid argument.

If the yuppies living there were stupid enough to buy an apartment next to an active rail yard, then they had it coming.

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jun 16 14:57:05 2012, in response to NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by via Pelham on Sat Jun 16 10:39:33 2012.

They're singing that song again?

Damn hipsters!

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by G1Ravage on Sat Jun 16 14:58:43 2012, in response to NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by via Pelham on Sat Jun 16 10:39:33 2012.

Aww, poor babies.

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 16 15:03:25 2012, in response to NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by via Pelham on Sat Jun 16 10:39:33 2012.

Nobody asked you to move next to a 140 year old railroad yard. Enjoy your diesel tinged views, hipster asswipes.

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jun 16 15:25:31 2012, in response to NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by via Pelham on Sat Jun 16 10:39:33 2012.

Maybe the agent closed the blinds and drew the curtains on the LIRR side! LOL!

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Jun 16 15:39:10 2012, in response to NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by via Pelham on Sat Jun 16 10:39:33 2012.

I hope the LIRR doesn't do a damn thing to improve the situation.

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Sat Jun 16 18:13:19 2012, in response to NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by via Pelham on Sat Jun 16 10:39:33 2012.

Fuck them yuppie assholes. Smh.

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sat Jun 16 21:19:50 2012, in response to Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Jun 16 15:39:10 2012.

Yup. Fuck those NIMBYs!

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by WayneJay on Sun Jun 17 01:36:27 2012, in response to NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by via Pelham on Sat Jun 16 10:39:33 2012.

Damn morons care about nothing and no one except themselves and their selfish desires.

I have absolutely no sympathy for them.

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by vfrt on Sun Jun 17 09:09:31 2012, in response to Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by WayneJay on Sun Jun 17 01:36:27 2012.

I thought the MTA had worked out something to reduce the noise.

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jun 17 14:23:00 2012, in response to Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jun 16 13:53:59 2012.

That's what these people don't realize.

That yard was there LONG before they were.

That's what happens when you move into a neighborhood that was completely (or almost all) industrial for many, many years before many buildings were converted to livable lofts and newer buildings were built.

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jun 17 14:24:17 2012, in response to Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sat Jun 16 21:19:50 2012.

I know if I lived there, I would know that before I ever signed a lease.

Goes back to the oldest rule in the book: Know the neighborhood before you move there.

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by 3-9 on Sun Jun 17 14:32:17 2012, in response to Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jun 17 14:23:00 2012.

Oh, they realize it alright. However, because it's "the LIRR" they feel that it's OK to disrespect it and bash it. If it was a highway, they wouldn't ask to stop running cars on it, they would simply move out.

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Jun 17 15:04:45 2012, in response to Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sat Jun 16 21:19:50 2012.

Fuck the LIRR!

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by 3-9 on Sun Jun 17 15:39:36 2012, in response to Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by vfrt on Sun Jun 17 09:09:31 2012.

I guess they already tried it (e.g., storing trains away from Borden Ave.), but the railyard and former industrial site isn't the residents' little piece of suburbia yet.


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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by randyo on Sun Jun 17 20:13:40 2012, in response to Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by 3-9 on Sun Jun 17 14:32:17 2012.

Actually, if it were a highway, they would demand that some sort of protective barriers be installed to block the noise similar to those recently built along the Staten Island Expwy.

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by Joe Saitta on Sun Jun 17 20:20:32 2012, in response to Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by randyo on Sun Jun 17 20:13:40 2012.

Yes, build barriers as high as the apartments and let sunlight be blocked in addition to the alleged noise! There's a grade crossing about 100 or so feet east of Vernon boulevard used primarily by industrial vehicles; my suggestion is for the LIRR to have the engineers blow the standard long-long-short-long whistle as loud as they can whenever it's necessary to do so. The LIRR can then say they're providing free music or the neighborhood yuppies.....

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Jun 17 22:50:44 2012, in response to Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Jun 17 15:04:45 2012.

Why?

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by Amanda on Sun Jun 17 23:59:06 2012, in response to NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by via Pelham on Sat Jun 16 10:39:33 2012.

I'll take one of the condo units for cheap if they don't want them anymore. Would make a nice place to go nap in between work appointments and events.

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by EastSideRider on Mon Jun 18 02:04:47 2012, in response to Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by Amanda on Sun Jun 17 23:59:06 2012.

*High five*

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jun 18 07:20:58 2012, in response to Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by andy on Sat Jun 16 13:21:12 2012.

Doesn't matter politically. They'll get some elected official to take up their sob story and do a "Jamaica El" on the yard. If not this year, then the year after next...

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 18 09:56:27 2012, in response to Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by Joe Saitta on Sun Jun 17 20:20:32 2012.

Interesting thing about noise barriers: they CAN utterly destroy the character of a city. My family lives in Henderson, Nevada, where EVERY main (four-lane) street has noise barriers on both sides of the street, from one end of a loooong block to the other, endlessly. That's what you see as you drive along: solid beige noise walls. No houses, stores, or anything else to distinguish one block from the next. It's just depressing. It's like driving through an open cut.

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by Railman718 on Mon Jun 18 11:30:31 2012, in response to NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by via Pelham on Sat Jun 16 10:39:33 2012.

Awww give the wussies some tissue...

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by Joe Saitta on Mon Jun 18 11:42:06 2012, in response to Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 18 09:56:27 2012.

Agree. In Queens, along the BQE in the Jackson Heights area, same thing. They destroyed that neighborhood. Funny you should mention the color beige - that's the color on the BQE.

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jun 18 13:15:08 2012, in response to Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by Joe Saitta on Mon Jun 18 11:42:06 2012.

sound walls, feh! if they were built as sound absorbers they wouldn't be so heinous. All they do is redirect the noise.

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by 3-9 on Mon Jun 18 13:25:58 2012, in response to Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 18 09:56:27 2012.

With noise barriers like that, for all intensive purposes, you've CREATED a barrier 4 lanes wide right through the neighborhood, worse than just having the street. Why would they want to look at a frickin' wall?

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by Fred G on Mon Jun 18 13:51:25 2012, in response to NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by via Pelham on Sat Jun 16 10:39:33 2012.



your pal,
Fred

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jun 18 13:55:49 2012, in response to Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by 3-9 on Mon Jun 18 13:25:58 2012.

Time to read the 50th Anniversary reissue of The Other America by Michael Harrington.

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by WayneJay on Mon Jun 18 14:07:02 2012, in response to Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by 3-9 on Sun Jun 17 15:39:36 2012.

Agreed. The problem (for these residents) is that there's an active railyard in the area. Obviously, the yard needs to operate, but in typical NIMBY fashion, they think the railyard needs to conform to their desires.

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by G1Ravage on Mon Jun 18 16:18:46 2012, in response to Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 18 09:56:27 2012.

Yes, most of the Vegas-area communities are cordoned off like that. But it creates a nice realm of privacy within, with plenty of cul-de-sacs, creating a safe place for children to play.

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by bklynsubwaybob on Mon Jun 18 17:25:54 2012, in response to Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 18 09:56:27 2012.

And don't forget that it provides a huge canvas for the vandals to graffiti to their hearts content. I-80 in Jersey looks like crap.

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by Michael549 on Tue Jun 19 12:29:40 2012, in response to Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 18 09:56:27 2012.

There is an aspect of complaining about urban planning - where the tendency is to support the idea of "Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything" - a kind of "everything in its own place" method of planning.

Mike

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by Streetcarman1 on Tue Jun 19 12:37:26 2012, in response to Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by 3-9 on Sat Jun 16 11:05:56 2012.

IAWTP....

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by Streetcarman1 on Tue Jun 19 12:38:35 2012, in response to Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by Dj Hammers on Sat Jun 16 14:04:36 2012.

IAWTP

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jun 19 12:39:16 2012, in response to Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by Michael549 on Tue Jun 19 12:29:40 2012.

We need a transit version of Robert Moses to get things done. Moses never let NIMBY's stand in his way.

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by Streetcarman1 on Tue Jun 19 12:39:23 2012, in response to Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jun 16 14:57:05 2012.

Hipsters? lol.....too expensive to live there for a NYC hipster.

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by Streetcarman1 on Tue Jun 19 12:40:11 2012, in response to Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by G1Ravage on Sat Jun 16 14:58:43 2012.

Actually they have complained in the past about the diesel fumes and the affects on their kid's health.....

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by Streetcarman1 on Tue Jun 19 12:41:00 2012, in response to Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 16 15:03:25 2012.

Hispters don't live there...yuppies do! hipsters can't afford to live in those expensive condos.

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by Streetcarman1 on Tue Jun 19 12:41:54 2012, in response to Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jun 16 15:25:31 2012.

They probably told them some line that the railroad was closing the yard down and moving somewhere else I bet. Anything to get them to sign the contract.

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by Joe Saitta on Tue Jun 19 14:12:37 2012, in response to Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by Streetcarman1 on Tue Jun 19 12:41:54 2012.

Now that's an excellent and probably very true post.

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 19 16:55:46 2012, in response to Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jun 19 12:39:16 2012.

I have said that many times in related threads!

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 19 16:59:15 2012, in response to Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by Streetcarman1 on Tue Jun 19 12:41:54 2012.

That sounds like the incentive that real estate brokers in the 1930s used to sell houses in Marine Pk Bkln by promising that the IRT Nostrand extension to Sheepshead Bay would be built "soon."

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Tue Jun 19 17:02:20 2012, in response to Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by randyo on Tue Jun 19 16:55:46 2012.

+1!!!

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by 3-9 on Tue Jun 19 17:28:53 2012, in response to Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jun 19 12:39:16 2012.

Actually, didn't he try to make a move on Tavern in the Green in Central Park? I remember the neighborhood got together and stopped whatever was going to happen. The case was kind of a landmark, and set the stage for more challenges.

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by Joe Saitta on Tue Jun 19 18:14:54 2012, in response to Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by randyo on Tue Jun 19 16:59:15 2012.

Only an idiot would believe that the LIRR will abandon its LIC station/yard. The whole thing has recently been modernized. Just a cursory glance by anyone could see that it has all new facilities. The real estate brokers really made fools out of a lot of people.

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Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 19 18:33:29 2012, in response to Re: NIMBYs Strike Again!, posted by Joe Saitta on Tue Jun 19 18:14:54 2012.

You underestimate the power of NIMBY?

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