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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Jun 11 10:12:09 2012 Ok Dutch Trainman Paul what gives with yer Bosses saying this...Somebody isnt aware of the Rules im guessing |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Mon Jun 11 10:38:31 2012, in response to Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by Railman718 on Mon Jun 11 10:12:09 2012. I posted that yesterday. He responded something about decertification if the glass is covered up. They should cover the glasses now. Every good engineer there is going to become a live peepshow if they don't. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Jun 11 10:38:41 2012, in response to Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by Railman718 on Mon Jun 11 10:12:09 2012. MTA can say all they want, its MNCR that does rule making on MNCR. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Jun 11 10:40:42 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Jun 11 10:38:41 2012. So one hand dont wash the other then i guess huh? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Jun 11 10:41:56 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Jun 11 10:38:41 2012. Did you read the article BTW? |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Jun 11 11:29:04 2012, in response to Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by Railman718 on Mon Jun 11 10:12:09 2012. No one likes someone looking over their shoulders when they work. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Jun 11 11:38:47 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by Railman718 on Mon Jun 11 10:41:56 2012. yup, nothing new under the sun.As for MNCR rules, expect a new timetable special instruction regarding the covering of cab windows. |
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Posted by NJCL2308 on Mon Jun 11 11:41:05 2012, in response to Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by Railman718 on Mon Jun 11 10:12:09 2012. Don't the M7As have a pull-down shade on the window, ala the LIRR M7s, Arrows, and Silverliner IIs? |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Jun 11 11:54:08 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by SLRT on Mon Jun 11 11:29:04 2012. That's true, but if a person is doing his job and not reading a Goddamn newspaper while operating a 100 ton train consist at 60 miles per hour with the lives of passengers at stake, that person should have nothing to hide.Sure, paper over the windows. Then the T/O's can get blowjobs in the cab next. What's to stop them? |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Jun 11 11:58:20 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by NJCL2308 on Mon Jun 11 11:41:05 2012. no, on MNCR the windows are not to be covered because front and rear door of train are emergency exits in park avenue tunnels.even the Bombardiers had their sliding window cover removed years ago. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Jun 11 12:01:44 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Jun 11 11:54:08 2012. Noone can see in cockpit of plane, yet no one is worried about pilots sleeping at the stick or intoxicated pilots or pilots surfing internet while flying(yes they do have WiFi for their laptop), do we know or care what that steward(ess) does in cockpit ??yet no one complaints and supervision is done by supervisors, not by passengers. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 11 12:10:31 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Jun 11 11:54:08 2012. It's still annoying to be watched, especially by people who think you are there to service their needs. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Jun 11 12:12:41 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Jun 11 12:01:44 2012. Because a commercial flight usually has a co-pilot and a navigator, and the stewardesses - ahem, I mean flight attendants, are usually in and out of the cockpit taking food orders and such from the pilots. The pilots are not locked in for the entire flight.There is no reason passengers can't watch the T/O's. What if this knucklehead's window had been papered over and then he ended up derailing because of an obstruction on the tracks that he didn't see because he was reading the Goddamn sports section? |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Jun 11 12:16:12 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 11 12:10:31 2012. Tough shit. If I can't trust T/O's to do their jobs, I want to be able to watch them. When I'm a passenger on your train, I want to feel safe and believe that someone is watching the tracks for signals, damage or the unexpected. This clown ruins it for the rest of the hardworking T/O's.BTW, more than once I have seen civilians in the cabs of LIRR trains. I once saw a healthily-endowed young woman in a tube top in there. I've never complained because I never saw the T/O take his eyes off the tracks in those situations. But if this guy does it, maybe others do too. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Mon Jun 11 12:47:47 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Jun 11 12:12:41 2012. It would have happened anyway because the guy you are supporting only filmed and whined later, he didn't take IMMEDIATE action |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Jun 11 12:51:28 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by BLE-NIMX on Mon Jun 11 12:47:47 2012. That's true, but also besides the point. If the window had been papered over, there'd be no way we could have known what the T/O was doing. That's the important thing.Look, I'm not interested in making the cab into some kind of peep show. But on the other hand, if I can't trust that the T/O is doing his job properly and may be putting others at risk, then there is no choice. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 11 13:04:17 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Jun 11 12:51:28 2012. Well, what about locomotive-hauled trains? Will you avoid those because you can't see inside the cab? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 11 13:20:35 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Jun 11 11:54:08 2012. Thou art nuts. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 11 13:24:17 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Jun 11 12:16:12 2012. I am not defending this practice, I am saying what drives it is entirely human. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Jun 11 13:31:14 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 11 13:24:17 2012. Absolutely. |
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Posted by trains61 on Mon Jun 11 13:43:30 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Jun 11 12:01:44 2012. I was going to say the same thing DNR, but didn`t want to spur the Aviation naysayers on.I also didn`t want to incur the wrath of Cortelyounext and tell tales outta school ;-) The Lurkers Guild |
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Posted by trains61 on Mon Jun 11 13:51:40 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Jun 11 12:12:41 2012. There is no access to the Flightdeck without FlightDeck crew interaction, for obvious reasons. Access is strictly controlled by the folks upfront and they lock themselves in at the beginning of the flight.Sorry your arguement and comparison do not hold up. |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Jun 11 14:19:06 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Jun 11 11:54:08 2012. Lack of a date? |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Jun 11 14:24:13 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Jun 11 12:12:41 2012. No U.S. airline still uses navigators. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Jun 11 14:29:22 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 11 13:04:17 2012. No, but I will be concerned. What else can I do?I'm not saying that the MTA should make all cabs visible to passengers. I am just saying that the ones that are already visible should remain so. Papering the windows over will just encourage more bad behavior. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Jun 11 14:30:14 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by trains61 on Mon Jun 11 13:51:40 2012. Oh? Was I wrong about the co-pilot and the navigator also being in the cockpit? |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Jun 11 14:35:12 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by Dave on Mon Jun 11 14:24:13 2012. That depends on how old the planes are. Some still require three person crews. Also, even with a two-person crew, there are seats available on the flight deck for other people, including trainees, FAA personnel, et al. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 11 14:57:06 2012, in response to Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by Railman718 on Mon Jun 11 10:12:09 2012. Do rest assured, a reminder notice forbidding such will be forthcoming. |
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Posted by bwestendline on Mon Jun 11 16:25:19 2012, in response to Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by Railman718 on Mon Jun 11 10:12:09 2012. The FRA should step in and tell all train service that window must not be covered up. it is our right and duty to report these moron for endangering the safety of the riders. they need to do that as well on NJTRANSIT. Remember , if you think you could get away with it, one of these days you will be caught redhanded(especially with all technology today). The other way can be done is have 24 hours monitoring camera in each cab, so that their bosses will be watching them as well.This is IMO. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Mon Jun 11 16:34:00 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Jun 11 11:58:20 2012. Interesting. So why is Long Island Rail Road different? Wouldn't their end cars also be used for evacuation in the event of an emergency in the East River Tunnels? |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Jun 11 16:47:30 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by bwestendline on Mon Jun 11 16:25:19 2012. hmm so how many bosses are we gone hire to watch those camera's on 380 Engineers and 1500 or more condutcors ?and are you willing to pay the price in extra fare ? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 11 17:03:14 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Jun 11 16:47:30 2012. You do not need bosses but you obviously need more road supervision. It's pretty clear that this is happening based on this video and the previous one of the NYCT T/O texting while operating her train across the Williamsburg Bridge. It's pretty clear that engineers and train operators are not complying with the rules or using common sense on their own. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Jun 11 17:28:20 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 11 17:03:14 2012. so your gone run up cost, to go after maybe 2% of people that break rules ??They will get caught sooner or later without the extra measures. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jun 11 18:36:41 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Jun 11 11:38:47 2012. I would also expect that LIRR management will remove the metal screens from its M-7s and institute a similar directive due to the bad publicity form this incident. The NYCTA will probably also start enforcing is rule regarding not covering cab door glasses more strictly. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Jun 11 19:55:52 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Jun 11 14:29:22 2012. Instead of putting up paper, put up one way mirror film on the inside of the cab, with the mirror side in the cab.This way the operator won't see who is watching over his or her shoulder. If It is good enough for NCIS then it should be great for Metro North. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Jun 11 20:40:47 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 11 18:36:41 2012. One could hope... |
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Posted by Ble-nimx on Mon Jun 11 20:41:42 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Jun 11 12:51:28 2012. There is a choice. Don't ride the train. Or don't think about it. We are trained professionals who have been for the most part doing the right thing. I taught my daughter how to drive recently and sometimes it pains me to have someone else driving my pride and joy I drove for years without an accident but she will not be a better driver with me nagging her or taking over the wheel and looking over her shoulders. You are in no position to better your life because you need to be a backseat driver over a vehicle you are not qualified to operate. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Jun 11 20:42:14 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Jun 11 19:55:52 2012. That would require dim lighting in the front half of the first car to be effective...I like it! |
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Posted by Ble-nimx on Mon Jun 11 20:45:27 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Jun 11 20:42:14 2012. That is a security no-no. Since only authorized personal are permitted in the cab, the man in the cab must know who is knocking. PA 5 s have nothing for you to see but that peephole is there to see you. |
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Posted by VictorM on Mon Jun 11 20:58:46 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 11 18:36:41 2012. But at night or in a tunnel couldn't light from inside the car get reflected off the windshield, interfering with the T/O's (or Engineer's) vision? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 11 21:00:54 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Jun 11 17:28:20 2012. When safety is involved, yeah! The sooner the better. It's too bad that some engineers are not so concerned with the safety of their passengers. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Jun 11 21:04:40 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by SLRT on Mon Jun 11 11:29:04 2012. Excellent post. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 11 21:05:00 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by VictorM on Mon Jun 11 20:58:46 2012. That is the exact reason why there is a defuser of sorts in the glass. It permits light to lass through only perpendicular to the glass. Light entering at an angle (which would reflect off the vision glass) is blocked. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Jun 11 21:57:50 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by SLRT on Mon Jun 11 11:29:04 2012. No one likes someone looking over their shoulders when they work.Speak for yourself... Sometimes i do have people "looking over my shoulder" I.E TSS's.. I deal with it it does not bother me. Heck i could care less if folks wanna press their noses against a subway car cab door window with god knows what kinds of germs on it.. |
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Posted by LA Scott on Mon Jun 11 22:01:36 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by SLRT on Mon Jun 11 11:29:04 2012. There are not many jobs in large organizations where people work in complete privacy anymore.In modern corporate America, you often have to be a third or fourth tier manager to get an office, and even then chances are it has windows so people can look in. On the very top levels of the company have truly private offices. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 11 22:14:09 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by Railman718 on Mon Jun 11 21:57:50 2012. Ah for the good old days of quarter cabs. Slam, clack. :) |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Jun 11 22:15:26 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 11 22:14:09 2012. R32's and R42's still got em! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 11 22:16:28 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by Railman718 on Mon Jun 11 22:15:26 2012. I loved my broom closets. :) |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Mon Jun 11 22:41:43 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 11 21:05:00 2012. And they work very well on the tech trains.It doesn't bother me on the R-62(A)'s because I'm not very tall, so the little window box reflection is well above my field of vision. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Mon Jun 11 22:42:42 2012, in response to Re: Metro North Cab Windows Covered Up after Video Airs, posted by Railman718 on Mon Jun 11 22:15:26 2012. And the Flushing-bound (7)! |
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