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LA to LV High Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Jun 10 17:54:30 2012 From Victorville Daily Press
It's unfortunate that the article repeats Vartabedian's lies about the CHSRA, but with this development they're well on the way to having a high speed rail line between downtown LA and Las Vegas. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 10 18:19:37 2012, in response to LA to LV High Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by WillD on Sun Jun 10 17:54:30 2012. To paraphrase: If you build it, it will fail. |
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Posted by The Silence on Sun Jun 10 18:22:11 2012, in response to LA to LV High Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by WillD on Sun Jun 10 17:54:30 2012. title corrected |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Jun 10 18:22:53 2012, in response to Re: Victorville to LV High Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by The Silence on Sun Jun 10 18:22:11 2012. You obviously didn't read the article. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jun 10 18:49:38 2012, in response to Re: LA to LV High Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 10 18:19:37 2012. If you build it, they will foam. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 10 18:52:51 2012, in response to Re: LA to LV High Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by Easy on Sun Jun 10 18:49:38 2012. But will the gamblers use high speed rail to get to Las Vegas if they have to take another means of travel from LA to Victorville before boarding the high speed train. I think not many will. |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Jun 10 20:04:29 2012, in response to Re: LA to LV High Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 10 18:52:51 2012. As was stated in the article, DesertXpress will now be integrated into the Pearblossom Highway between Victorville and Palmdale where a connection will be available to Metrolink in the near future and a direct ride to LAUPT will be provided once the CHSRA builds their line. |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Jun 10 20:07:38 2012, in response to Re: LA to LV High Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by R30A on Sun Jun 10 18:22:53 2012. I can almost understand not reading the article, what with them big confusing words and so on. But I made sure I included a map of the extension to the DesertXpress line precisely for these two posters. |
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Re: Palmdale to LV High/Low Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 10 20:33:48 2012, in response to Re: LA to LV High Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by R30A on Sun Jun 10 18:22:53 2012. No, you didn't. Metrolink isn't high speed. Nobody will be impressed by that connection at all. |
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Re: Palmdale to LV High/Low Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Jun 10 21:23:58 2012, in response to Re: Palmdale to LV High/Low Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 10 20:33:48 2012. It may not be high speed, but their expresses do the LA-Palmdale run in about 1 hour, 30 minutes. With 30 minutes to do the 60 mile run from Palmdale to Victorville at 150mph and another 1 hour 30 minutes to get from Victorville to Vegas that's a total LAUPT to LV trip time of 3 hours and 30 minutes. That's nearly a hour faster than the same trip can be completed with a car. Even if we stop the train at Palmdale to add a diesel locomotive with which to complete the trip to LAUPT it'd still be faster than driving.And it goes without saying that as CHSRA gets its system over Tehachapi and builds the route down Soledad Canyon and into the San Fernando Valley the disparity between driving and riding the HST would become even greater. Eventually the CHSRA system will provide a 27 minute trip between LA and Palmdale, which would result in an hour reduction in trip time over what is available today and make the line extremely competitive with the many airliners that currently ply that route. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Jun 10 21:31:38 2012, in response to Re: LA to LV High Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by WillD on Sun Jun 10 20:04:29 2012. And one might remember the most residents of the LA Metro are not near LAUPT so getting to Palmdale may be as easy for them as going downtown. |
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Posted by The Silence on Sun Jun 10 21:46:12 2012, in response to Re: LA to LV High Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by R30A on Sun Jun 10 18:22:53 2012. Who needs to read it, i was mocking it. who cares if it's palmdale or victorville, it's STILL the wrong side of the San Gabriels. |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Jun 10 21:47:15 2012, in response to Re: LA to LV High Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Jun 10 21:31:38 2012. Oh definitely, that's a good point. Of course as the DesertXpress is planned today with the terminal in Victorville, that's just 30-40 minutes from LA's eastern suburbs between Pomona and Redlands. They're already quite likely to utilize the DesertXpress line, and the extension to Palmdale only opens up other markets.Once the CHSRA connects the southern end of the ICS in Bakersfield with Palmdale over Tehachapi the DesertXpress line will gain access to the San Joaquin Valley's population. A 4 hour 15 minute trip between San Francisco and Las Vegas will be possible after the ICS is connected to the Caltrain corridor. |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Jun 10 21:53:16 2012, in response to Re: LA to LV High Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by The Silence on Sun Jun 10 21:46:12 2012. Nice backpedal.Palmdale and Victorville are worlds apart as far as DesertXpress' terminus is concerned. Palmdale offers a larger population and direct connections to transit services that serve Los Angeles, and eventually the remainder of the state. More importantly it opens up the possibility of providing a one seat ride between LA and LV when DesertXpress opens, or in a 6-8 years when CHSRA builds their connection between Los Angeles and Fresno. |
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Posted by The Silence on Sun Jun 10 22:12:21 2012, in response to Re: Palmdale to LV High/Low Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by WillD on Sun Jun 10 21:23:58 2012. you're argument is based on a long string of "ifs", starting with "IF CHSR actually gets built". Sure, CHSR is great idea on paper, but it's being handled by morons.Second if is "if the price actualy ends up to be resonable". Acela can get me to washington in 3 hours, sure, but it's about $200 one way. what good does that do me? I can fly to Orlando for less than that. a third if, smaller than the others, but still, i"s if the timetables work out". How long am I gonna end up sitting in Palmdale? |
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Posted by The Silence on Sun Jun 10 22:12:54 2012, in response to Re: LA to LV High Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by WillD on Sun Jun 10 21:53:16 2012. you mean 60 to 80... |
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Re: Palmdale to LV High/Low Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Sun Jun 10 22:43:33 2012, in response to Re: Palmdale to LV High/Low Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by The Silence on Sun Jun 10 22:12:21 2012. "Second if is "if the price actualy ends up to be resonable". Acela can get me to washington in 3 hours, sure, but it's about $200 one way. what good does that do me? I can fly to Orlando for less than that. "That's the problem with all these high speed rail projects. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE AFFORDABLE TO RIDE and thus are going to be one big tax payer financed hump or turd. Acela is the perfect example. Most people prefer to have their money in their pocket and ride the bus. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Jun 10 22:45:23 2012, in response to Re: LA to LV High Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by The Silence on Sun Jun 10 22:12:54 2012. You know, it's pretty funny (if not so sad) at how you guys want to see CHRSA and all other high speed rail lines killed, then lament how it's never going to be built. |
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Re: Palmdale to LV High/Low Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Jun 10 22:54:40 2012, in response to Re: Palmdale to LV High/Low Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by brightonr68 on Sun Jun 10 22:43:33 2012. Your argument doesn't hold any water as the Acelas tend to run sold out. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 10 23:17:38 2012, in response to Re: LA to LV High Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Jun 10 21:31:38 2012. Yes, Just as convenient as me driving to Philadelphia to take Acela to Washington and almost as much sense |
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Posted by The Silence on Mon Jun 11 00:00:04 2012, in response to Re: LA to LV High Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Jun 10 21:31:38 2012. the fact that most residents aren't near LAUPT techincly is correct.however, the center of population (the center point of the area's population densidy) of the LA area is in the other direction, near Disneyland. |
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Re: Palmdale to LV High/Low Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built |
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Posted by Concourse Express on Mon Jun 11 00:37:35 2012, in response to Re: Palmdale to LV High/Low Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by brightonr68 on Sun Jun 10 22:43:33 2012. NYP-WAS on Acela is under 3 hours, unless there are delays (I rode Acela round-trip on Fri and it was under 2 hr 50 min even with the stop in Metropark). Also, minimum price for a one-way Acela NYP-WAS ticket is $145.AFAIK depending on seats available and other factors, price varies as follows: MIN -- $145 / $169 / $194 / $218 / $242 -- MAX* *Prices $109 higher for first class. To add to R30A's point on patronage, the Acela Express trains (along with the Regionals) actually turn a profit thanks to high ridership. Hence, there is a demand for HSR; the key is investing in heavily populated corridors conducive to demand. visit my blog! |
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Re: Palmdale to LV High/Low Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Mon Jun 11 00:49:48 2012, in response to Re: Palmdale to LV High/Low Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by R30A on Sun Jun 10 22:54:40 2012. NYC Washington is a special case where both cities have many high income people traveling on "business" and their was already a airplane shuttle that charged sky high prices. High speed rail in certain markets will work but not in the willy nilly way Oboma want to roll it out.Both trains also go to where the crowd is going Middle and low income folks are taking the bus and can not afford $100 plus a ticket when the bus gets you there for less than $30 a head or driving even less(if you already own the car) I hope it works out. I LOVE TRAINS and make a ride on all trains in any city i visit( my significant other is supportive) Oboma is behind high speed rail for all the wrong reasons. That is my fear |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Mon Jun 11 00:52:16 2012, in response to Re: Palmdale to LV High/Low Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by Concourse Express on Mon Jun 11 00:37:35 2012. Once again NYC to DC is a special case with many high income riders, many of them single professionals whose employer pays the cost of the ticket.Many low income and middle income can not afford $145 plus a head for a short weekend trip. |
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Posted by blue8irt on Mon Jun 11 00:52:17 2012, in response to LA to LV High Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by WillD on Sun Jun 10 17:54:30 2012. Oh Oh! Palmdale. Frank Zappa sang about Palmdale in his song called "Sun Village" on "Live From The Roxy and Elsewhere." Did you hear it? |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Mon Jun 11 00:55:02 2012, in response to Re: LA to LV High Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by 3-9 on Sun Jun 10 22:45:23 2012. I want them built if there is defined ridership no this Oboma green agenda where we think people will take the train for what reason?IF there is demand then build it but first waive all the silly reviews that line the pockets of the lawyers and suck the tax payer dry. This can not be another big dig fiasco |
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Posted by The Silence on Mon Jun 11 01:14:38 2012, in response to Re: Palmdale to LV High/Low Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by R30A on Sun Jun 10 22:54:40 2012. tend to sell out, to people who can afford it. I can't, that's for sure... |
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Posted by WillD on Mon Jun 11 01:19:52 2012, in response to Re: Palmdale to LV High/Low Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by The Silence on Sun Jun 10 22:12:21 2012. you're argument is based on a long string of "ifs", starting with "IF CHSR actually gets built".If it isn't going to be built then you're guaranteeing California will shell out even more money for highways and airports while the idea of high speed rail in America will die. Sure, CHSR is great idea on paper, but it's being handled by morons. Not doing that argument much favor if you can't keep you're and your straight. But fine, if you're qualified to claim they're morons then clearly you must know exactly how do improve the project to get it built. What specifically would you change? Second if is "if the price actualy ends up to be resonable". Acela can get me to washington in 3 hours, sure, but it's about $200 one way. what good does that do me? I can fly to Orlando for less than that. Prices will be set by the market. Experience indicates that the operational expense is far lower than any competing mode. a third if, smaller than the others, but still, i"s if the timetables work out". How long am I gonna end up sitting in Palmdale? Why would you force a transfer at Palmdale? An extension of the high speed line to Palmdale does not mean Palmdale will be the terminus. The DesertXpress trains are slated to be compatible with the FRA's Tier I requirements. It would be very simple to couple a diesel locomotive to the trainset at Palmdale and haul it to LAUPT. All it'd really take is specifying the HST be capable of receiving HEP from another unit, and some negotiation with Union Pacific. |
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Posted by Concourse Express on Mon Jun 11 01:25:39 2012, in response to Re: Palmdale to LV High/Low Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by brightonr68 on Mon Jun 11 00:52:16 2012. NYC to DC may indeed be "special," but methinks the NE Corridor isn't the only viable HSR market (of course, even Acela isn't "true" HSR, given its 150 MPH limit; faster speeds than this involve many challenges e.g. upgrading ROW to Class 8/9 where possible, catenary upgrades, higher-speed fleet, and of course the cost of any of these).As for price, I believe HSR is meant to compete with airlines so they'll probably be priced similarly (probably a bit higher); you're probably not gonna win much of the poorer crowd unless you run lower-cost local services making intermediate stops in tandem with the HSTs (e.g. the Acela - Regional model). visit my blog! |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Jun 11 01:26:06 2012, in response to Re: Palmdale to LV High/Low Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by The Silence on Mon Jun 11 01:14:38 2012. Then you aren't the intended market. I am. I have ten thousand miles so far this year on the Amtrak trains you claiming are useless. All of them had loads of people on them. Many sold out. |
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Posted by WillD on Mon Jun 11 01:28:11 2012, in response to Re: LA to LV High Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by brightonr68 on Mon Jun 11 00:55:02 2012. I want them built if there is defined ridership no this Oboma green agenda where we think people will take the train for what reason?Ah yes, your Obama Derangement Syndrome again. They'll take it because it's faster between LA and LV than driving. IF there is demand then build it but first waive all the silly reviews that line the pockets of the lawyers and suck the tax payer dry. Which is exactly what Governor Brown has proposed to keep NIMBYs and Republicans from obstructing the project. Also, aren't you a teacher? How would you mark a student's paper if he or she turned something into you which looked like that? |
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Posted by WillD on Mon Jun 11 01:51:40 2012, in response to Re: Palmdale to LV High/Low Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by brightonr68 on Mon Jun 11 00:49:48 2012. NYC Washington is a special case where both cities have many high income people traveling on "business" and their was already a airplane shuttle that charged sky high prices.Yes, not at all like the groups of elderly people travelling between LA and LV on tickets provided to them by the casinos today riding the bus but a very viable market for DesertXpress. Middle and low income folks are taking the bus and can not afford $100 plus a ticket when the bus gets you there for less than $30 a head or driving even less(if you already own the car) Middle income people certainly can. I'd classify myself as being very much lower middle income, yet I can readily afford Amtrak's fares. And of course you're getting what you pay for in the case of DesertXpress as it will get you there an hour before a bus would be able to make the same trip. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jun 11 02:21:53 2012, in response to Re: LA to LV High Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 10 23:17:38 2012. No, a better analogy would point to someone living in Staten Island going to Newark rather than Penn for a trip to Philly. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Jun 11 02:46:21 2012, in response to Re: Palmdale to LV High/Low Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by brightonr68 on Mon Jun 11 00:49:48 2012. Willy nilly? So far all the high speed rail projects targeted corridors with considerable traffic. Outside of the Northeast, one of the other main corridors is California. Connecting major population centers in that state hardly sounds "willy nilly". |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jun 11 07:19:47 2012, in response to LA to LV High Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by WillD on Sun Jun 10 17:54:30 2012. It seems ot me that to make CHSR work, you need to connect MAJOR destinations...and LA to LV certainly meets that test. Good luck to them. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jun 11 07:21:56 2012, in response to Re: LA to LV High Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 10 18:52:51 2012. Maybe3 I misunderstood...to make it work, no doubt you gotta go directly from Downtown LA to the Strip. If you tell folks to drive to Victorville (presumably an LA suburb?) first, they'll just drive to Vegas, and we could wind up with the West Coast NYWB. Beutifully overbuilt- and useless. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 11 07:41:55 2012, in response to Re: LA to LV High Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jun 11 07:21:56 2012. That's exactly the point. Drive or take multiple slower trains to Victorville, the most congested part of the trip so you can catch a high speed train. Victorville is only 80 or 90 miles IIRC from Downtown LA. Of course when you get to Victorville and your conventional train is 20 minutes late, they've held the hourly High Speed train for the connection so that train is effectively no longer high speed OR you have to wait for the next High Speed Train in 40 minutes so you might as well drive and save some time and money. Yeah, I see this working really well. Yes I do. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 11 07:47:12 2012, in response to Re: Palmdale to LV High/Low Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by WillD on Mon Jun 11 01:51:40 2012. "I'd classify myself as being very much lower middle income, yet I can readily afford Amtrak's fares. "And your monthly mortgage payment is? And you spend how much for childcare monthly? and how much do you spend for your children's cloths? How much did you spend to heat/cool your home? You are far from an average American. When fantasyland closes and you come home to realityville, let us know. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 11 08:08:07 2012, in response to Re: LA to LV High Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 11 07:41:55 2012. And the "high-speed" train as currently advertised operates at speeds "up to" a mere 150 mph. Makes not a bit of sense if you're building a dedicated right of way, since that's the speed that'd be permitted on a traditional right of way so long as the track is upgraded to Class 8, you have a trainset that meets Tier II specs, and you have all the associated signaling, blah blah. If the expense of building the dedicated ROW is going to be engaged in, one would expect a train running at 186 mph or faster. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 11 08:10:32 2012, in response to Re: LA, er Palmdale to LV High Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 11 08:08:07 2012. Now you are going to get WillD.s knickers in a knot |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Jun 11 13:25:38 2012, in response to Re: LA to LV High Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 11 07:41:55 2012. Of course when you get to Victorville and your conventional train is 20 minutes late, they've held the hourly High Speed train for the connection so that train is effectively no longer high speed OR you have to wait for the next High Speed Train in 40 minutes so you might as well drive and save some time and money.And you're assuming that going there by car or bus will never have any problems? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 11 15:57:44 2012, in response to Re: LA to LV High Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by 3-9 on Mon Jun 11 13:25:38 2012. On the contrary BUT the segment of the trip with the worst traffic is the segment from LA to Victorville. Once you've driven that 80 or 90 mile segment, the utility of high speed rail goes way down. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 11 16:33:40 2012, in response to Re: LA to LV High Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 11 15:57:44 2012. . . . and after that, speeds of "up to" 150 mph. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 11 16:35:04 2012, in response to Re: LA to LV High Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by Easy on Sun Jun 10 18:49:38 2012. They will foam until it fails. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 11 16:36:25 2012, in response to Re: LA to LV High Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by Easy on Sun Jun 10 18:49:38 2012. They'll foam anyway. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 11 16:42:55 2012, in response to Re: LA to LV High Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 11 16:33:40 2012. Yes and 150 MPH hardly makes this "High Speed Rail" in the rest of the world. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 11 16:43:39 2012, in response to Re: LA to LV High Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by Easy on Sun Jun 10 18:49:38 2012. But they are foaming with our tax dollars. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Jun 11 17:12:45 2012, in response to Re: LA to LV High Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 11 15:57:44 2012. Be that as it may, how bad, really, is the conventional train connection compared to that? Unless it chronically butts heads with freight carriers or is seriously mismanaged, it should be able to match the performance and experience of driving to Victorville. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 11 17:17:10 2012, in response to Re: LA to LV High Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by 3-9 on Mon Jun 11 17:12:45 2012. It borders on misrepresenting the product. Think of advertising a Supersonic flight from LA to Paris and then tell the customer that you need to fly conventional jet from LA to New York where you will get on the SST for the remainder of the trip. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 11 17:20:33 2012, in response to Re: LA to LV High Speed Rail Link Closer to Being Built, posted by 3-9 on Mon Jun 11 17:12:45 2012. how bad, really, is the conventional train connection compared to that?Amtrak isn't running LA-LV right now. |
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VICTORVILLE • A high-speed train from Victorville to Palmdale has inched one step closer to reality.
high-speed rail network,” DesertXpress CEO Tony Marnell II said in a statement. “This commitment to work together is an important step toward delivering on that vision.”