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Restore The R-44s Already!!! |
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Posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Sat May 26 18:32:50 2012 OK,Folks-It is great that the R32s and R42s will be operating on the "A" Line once again this Summer.With that said,i think it is high time that the R-44s that are still operable be restored to service."Train Dude" did mention that there are 80 or so cars that can be restored to service.I am sure with some work that additional cars can be restored to service as well.Well,why not? They are just sitting dormant.Why waste them when there is clearly a need for additional equipment,especially in the Summer months when the A.C. is needed.Yes,i understand that this will require quite a bit of work but the end result will be worth it in the end.It is quite sad to read just why the R-44s met their untimely end.Once again,the ones who make policy never see the end results of thir decisions.Lets think about this a second:We have 80 somewhat serviceable cars just sitting there,while other car classes are run into the ground(read:R32s and R46s)I have operated Pitkin's and 207's R46s and they just do NOT operate as well as Jamaica's fleet.Sorry,thats the way it is; Pitkin's R-46s have PLENTY of dead motor's and cut out doors.Excess power,no dynamic brakes i have seen it all.Resurrecting at least some of the R-44s will take some of the strain off of the R-32 and R-46 fleet operating out of Pitkin and 207.I KNOW it can be done.Its just a question of how..."Train Dude":what say you??? |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Sat May 26 18:38:37 2012, in response to Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Sat May 26 18:32:50 2012. He already answered here.The 80 cars left are the ones that were not 'enhanced', hence they are not worth returning to service. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat May 26 21:46:46 2012, in response to Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Sat May 26 18:32:50 2012. I just don't see NYCT spending the money.As per TD, good parts were taken out of the 44's to SMS the R68's, saving $$$. |
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Re: Tear Down the Culver El! (Restore The R-44s Already!!!) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 27 02:14:41 2012, in response to Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Sat May 26 18:32:50 2012. So thair. |
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Posted by Mr. D - Type on Tue May 29 09:13:37 2012, in response to Re: Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by RailBus63 on Sat May 26 18:38:37 2012. To quote the Undertaker " Let them rest / rust in Peace". |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue May 29 09:42:18 2012, in response to Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Sat May 26 18:32:50 2012. What happened to all of the A.C. units that were in the cars that went swimming?Were all of those A.C. units bad, beyond reuse, or rebuilds? |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue May 29 09:43:44 2012, in response to Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Sat May 26 18:32:50 2012. What happened to all of the A.C. units that were in the cars that went swimming?Were all of those A.C. units bad, beyond reuse, or rebuilds? How many types of A.C. Units were there? Which cars shared the same type of A.C. unit? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue May 29 09:47:28 2012, in response to Re: Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by Avid Reader on Tue May 29 09:43:44 2012. AC units from all car classes were removed before reefing. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue May 29 11:11:47 2012, in response to Re: Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by Train Dude on Tue May 29 09:47:28 2012. Were they saved for service or rebuilds? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 29 12:26:35 2012, in response to Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Sat May 26 18:32:50 2012. OK,Folks-It is great that the R32s and R42sSpeak for yourself. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue May 29 13:48:55 2012, in response to Re: Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by Avid Reader on Tue May 29 11:11:47 2012. I guess that they were saved for parts or scrap. Lots of copper in the motors, pipes and condensers. The condensers can be re-used if needed but since the motors were DC motors and most of the current equipment has AC motors, I think they will be scrapped. BTW all freon (22) is recovered as well. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Tue May 29 20:29:31 2012, in response to Re: Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by Train Dude on Tue May 29 13:48:55 2012. BTW all freon (22) is recovered as well.That's cool. Heh Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue May 29 21:00:30 2012, in response to Re: Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by Newkirk Images on Tue May 29 20:29:31 2012. tsk tsk tsk |
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Posted by Westcode44 on Tue May 29 22:35:01 2012, in response to Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Sat May 26 18:32:50 2012. What ya mean>> ..."Train Dude":what say you???Should be "WE-44" what do YOU say,,,??? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue May 29 23:03:12 2012, in response to Re: Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by Westcode44 on Tue May 29 22:35:01 2012. They really have no idea how much you know about those cars. BTW: TMBA Dinner/meeting is June 7th. Shall I save you a seat? |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Wed May 30 09:17:36 2012, in response to Re: Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by Newkirk Images on Tue May 29 20:29:31 2012. IF IT WERE TO BE RELEASED INTO THE ATMOSPHER IT WOULD BE A CHILLING EVENT. ENVIRONMENTALLY SPEAKING. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed May 30 09:26:50 2012, in response to Re: Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 29 12:26:35 2012. LOL, LOL. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 30 12:48:46 2012, in response to Re: Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed May 30 09:26:50 2012.  Sue me, I like forward facing seats. |
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Posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Wed May 30 17:53:52 2012, in response to Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Sat May 26 18:32:50 2012. Greetings all!!! I guess not everyone here shares my sentiment for the restoration of the R-44s.Realistically,too much time may have passed for their return.However-There they ALL sit,dead and unused while the R-32s,R-42s and R-46s are run into the ground.I know that there are still "Live" R-44s here and there,but most have now been stripped just to save a few $$$ on the R-68 SMS.Yes,some R-44s had the rotted frame problem,but most did not.So to tar an entire car class for what was a small problem seems wasteful to me,especially when the "MDBF" was at an all time high.I realize it seems far fetched to see their return,but i can dream,cant i? It seems sad to think that none of them will ever make the "Dash" over the "Flats" ever again.But-like they say,"You never know"...Peace,everyone! |
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Posted by Amtrak guy on Wed May 30 18:45:24 2012, in response to Re: Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Wed May 30 17:53:52 2012. Hey man I feel the same way you do. I was totally surprised myself when I stopped seeing the r-44's. It seems that it came out of nowhere that they were retired as well as some r32's. Why I feel both were stupid decisions considering the situation the mta is facing with this car shortage. I'm here with you in wanting the r-44's back in service however we have seen them for the last time in passenger service. |
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Posted by CJ on Wed May 30 21:57:06 2012, in response to Re: Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by Amtrak guy on Wed May 30 18:45:24 2012. What I really hope happens is that some are set a side for the museum. Would be a shame to see none of them make it to the museum. |
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Posted by Gold_12TH on Wed May 30 22:02:20 2012, in response to Re: Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by CJ on Wed May 30 21:57:06 2012. they could steal a set from Staten Island. :) |
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Posted by Westcode44 on Wed May 30 22:51:50 2012, in response to Re: Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by Train Dude on Tue May 29 23:03:12 2012. YES and give me a call on the mag,,,WE-44 |
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Posted by CJ on Thu May 31 00:06:04 2012, in response to Re: Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed May 30 22:02:20 2012. If Staten Island, it has to be the one of the cars numbered #388-399. If they do save any of those I could hope they save motors from the NYCT R44s and implant them back into those cars. They were former NYCT cars that were transferred to Staten Island. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Thu May 31 10:42:58 2012, in response to Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Sat May 26 18:32:50 2012. So after all of this, can any parts, os systems be recovered from the remaining M-1,M-2,M-3,M-4's to enhance ans resuscitate the R-44's.I' just asking? |
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Posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Thu May 31 19:41:41 2012, in response to Re: Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by Amtrak guy on Wed May 30 18:45:24 2012. Thanks "Amtrak Guy"!!! I thought i was all alone out here-LOL; Its a shame to think that the 50 R-42s still left are the "VERY LAST" cars still in service built by the once mighty St.Louis Car Company.Meanwhile the R-44s rot away.And Yes,i would like to see some R-44s preserved-a A-B-B-A Set at best,but a A-B set at the very least.100-159 perhaps? Just a thought...Peace! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu May 31 19:57:45 2012, in response to Re: Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Thu May 31 19:41:41 2012. Just to clarify, cars 100 through 159, the first 60 cars produced, had compromised frames and were the catalyst for the mothballing of the entire fleet. |
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Posted by CJ on Thu May 31 22:17:05 2012, in response to Re: Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by Train Dude on Thu May 31 19:57:45 2012. So that's basically out of the question. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu May 31 23:21:39 2012, in response to Re: Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Thu May 31 19:41:41 2012. Its a shame to think that the 50 R-42s still left are the "VERY LAST" cars still in service built by the once mighty St.Louis Car Company.Not to pick nits but there are still 60 or so R-44s plying the rails on Staten Island... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jun 1 13:21:05 2012, in response to Re: Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by Train Dude on Tue May 29 13:48:55 2012. I would imagine that Freon recovery was a good part of the reason not to send the A/C units swimming...probably kind of illegal to dump that stuff.. |
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Posted by CJ on Fri Jun 1 14:47:52 2012, in response to Re: Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu May 31 23:21:39 2012. That's true. Now if ENY Blitz 5107 said "Very last subway cars" then yes what he said would also be true. Actually it really doesn't matter though both of you are correct any way. ;) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 1 15:45:52 2012, in response to Re: Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jun 1 13:21:05 2012. I would think so, In addition, it's very expensive and 100 Lb. tanks of recovered Freon were like gold during the HVAC season in previous years. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Fri Jun 1 16:07:23 2012, in response to Re: Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Thu May 31 19:41:41 2012. That's what happens when you screw your biggest customer. |
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Posted by bklyntekgeek on Fri Jun 1 19:39:25 2012, in response to Re: Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Wed May 30 17:53:52 2012. Same here. I miss the R-44's as well. Miss hearing them arrive at Grant before making that run into queens. |
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Posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Fri Jun 1 23:28:21 2012, in response to Re: Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Thu May 31 19:41:41 2012. To Clarify:I was thinking out loud and i meant to say that car #s 100 and 159 should be saved,as both cars ran together Pre GOH; AND-The 50 R-42s remaining are the LAST cars still in service in the NYC Subway that were built by the St.Louis Car Company.I was not counting the 50 or so R-44s still in service on SIRT.So,altogther that is about 100 cars left from this builder? Peace,All... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jun 4 08:13:24 2012, in response to Re: Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 1 15:45:52 2012. yeah...also, while I'm not an HVAC professional (so I'll accept correction from anyone with superior knowledge), I believe that "old" stryle Freon is no longer manufactured, and yet the extant AC systems that run on it can;t accept "new" freon.Accordingly, any "old" freon that's out there would have a ready market for re-use in older systems, no? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jun 4 08:17:22 2012, in response to Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Sat May 26 18:32:50 2012. Whatever the merits of trying this, I came to dislike them a lot. They looked very deteriorated. I'm speaking just to my personal likes and dislikes. I'll let you pros out there debate the cars' actual mechanical and physical merits.But also, let's consider a financial aspect- to me, it's not a good plan to spend whatever it wuld take to get these cars back on the road for just a few years...it would make more sense, I think, to speand the $$ to get the R179s into production and in service. |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Mon Jun 4 09:36:54 2012, in response to Re: Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu May 31 23:21:39 2012. Not to pick nits but there are still 60 or so R-44s plying the rails on Staten Island...And also the PCC streetcars in San Francisco. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon Jun 4 15:39:05 2012, in response to Re: Restore The R-44s Already!!!, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jun 4 08:17:22 2012. As I understand it, there are still 80 or so R44s which could be put into service without TOO much work. Getting those cars running for just the summertime, instead of shuffling the entire A/C fleets and moving around cars from Jamaica and ENY might make sense... or might not. But 80 cars is 10 trains, which would eat up a good chunk of the C.Meanwhile, SIRT keeps their R44s trucking along with no end in sight. |
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