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Posted by kp5308 on Tue May 29 17:08:42 2012, in response to When a New Transit Project Is Announced, Expect Delays, posted by Gold_12TH on Tue May 29 16:43:56 2012. Maybe. We’ll first have to see who else in government and politics are prepared to toss away the rose-colored glasses they love to wear whenever they announce big projects.They rose colored glasses don't get tossed until after the project starts. Anybody remember the Philly Center City Commuter Tunnel? IIRC it ran about 50% more than advertised. The next mess will be California's HSR project, if it starts. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue May 29 20:46:54 2012, in response to Re: When a New Transit Project Is Announced, Expect Delays, posted by kp5308 on Tue May 29 17:08:42 2012. This haappens in the private sector too. See Riverside South. Too big and complicated you say? Look at City Point.This happens all the time with construction, especially as the projets get larger and more complicated. it's not exclusive to Public Works. |
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Posted by kp5308 on Tue May 29 22:04:14 2012, in response to Re: When a New Transit Project Is Announced, Expect Delays, posted by J trainloco on Tue May 29 20:46:54 2012. I've been in construction all my adult life. It does not happen "all the time". I have long time friends who have been involved with BIG projects. It does not happen "all the time". Was the BNSF Abo Canyon project like this? |
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Posted by kp5308 on Tue May 29 22:05:25 2012, in response to Re: When a New Transit Project Is Announced, Expect Delays, posted by J trainloco on Tue May 29 20:46:54 2012. Too big and complicated you say?I didn't say that. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 29 22:24:39 2012, in response to Re: When a New Transit Project Is Announced, Expect Delays, posted by kp5308 on Tue May 29 22:04:14 2012. How many New Yorkers in Abo canyon? :) |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue May 29 22:53:21 2012, in response to Re: When a New Transit Project Is Announced, Expect Delays, posted by kp5308 on Tue May 29 22:04:14 2012. And, believe it or not, but public works projects come in on time and under budget sometimes as well. The point of the post was that, despite your ranting, cost overruns are common to building projects in both public AND private sectors, and its due to many factors. You frequently paint a picture of public works projects that conveniently ignore this because it doesn't suit your agenda. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Wed May 30 07:35:50 2012, in response to Re: When a New Transit Project Is Announced, Expect Delays, posted by J trainloco on Tue May 29 22:53:21 2012. Even the most trivial construction project can have delays. The contractor hired by the private landlord to replace the carpet where I work ran out of carpet part way through the job and stopped for a month. Apparently it is possible to miss the estimate of how much carpet you need by about 5000 square feet. The carpet they had to "special order" does not perfectly match the rest. |
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Posted by JRice on Wed May 30 10:41:26 2012, in response to Re: When a New Transit Project Is Announced, Expect Delays, posted by J trainloco on Tue May 29 22:53:21 2012. NYCT's 63rd Street Connector was on time and under budget.Of course some will complain that it is not the super-express, but it serves a more realistic function and reduced congestion. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Wed May 30 11:59:43 2012, in response to When a New Transit Project Is Announced, Expect Delays, posted by Gold_12TH on Tue May 29 16:43:56 2012. There were several tunnels for the Second Avenue Subway-Queens Super-Express project that were started and completed in the 1970's on-time and budget. I mention the rail tunnels under Second Avenue in East Harlem, Chinatown, and the whole Archer Avenue project, as well as the 63rd Street double-decked tunnel under the East River.The MTA reported that the Eastside Access Project major problem has to do with with the switch plant and trackage at the Harold Interlocking in Queens - NOT the tunnels under 63rd Street, or to/through Grand Central station. Weaving new track and switch connections through a huge working trackage junction is not an easy task - just think about the switch that was done to connect the 63rd Street to the Queens Blvd line - something that was never in the original plans. The devil is always in the details, when the rubber meets the road, in any kind of a large project. Being clear on the details, matter. Mike |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed May 30 17:23:23 2012, in response to Re: When a New Transit Project Is Announced, Expect Delays, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 29 22:24:39 2012. How many New Yorkers in Abo canyon? :)One Michael Bloombag vacations there. :-) Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 30 17:32:41 2012, in response to Re: When a New Transit Project Is Announced, Expect Delays, posted by Newkirk Images on Wed May 30 17:23:23 2012. Well THERE'S yer problem ... |
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Posted by kp5308 on Wed May 30 17:50:19 2012, in response to Re: When a New Transit Project Is Announced, Expect Delays, posted by J trainloco on Tue May 29 22:53:21 2012. Ahhh, so this is an agenda. Not based in reality due to my 25 years of experience I suppose. And I am ranting to boot! Must be hitting some nerves with you. Although I will give you the "under budget sometimes" comment. Care to share a few of the public projects with us? |
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Posted by kp5308 on Wed May 30 17:51:40 2012, in response to Re: When a New Transit Project Is Announced, Expect Delays, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 29 22:24:39 2012. I'll hafta stop by with the Mrs. We'll take a count :o) |
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Posted by kp5308 on Wed May 30 17:54:19 2012, in response to Re: When a New Transit Project Is Announced, Expect Delays, posted by kp5308 on Wed May 30 17:50:19 2012. Care to share a few of the public projects with us?My bad.....let us go back, say 30 years. |
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Posted by kp5308 on Wed May 30 18:08:41 2012, in response to Re: When a New Transit Project Is Announced, Expect Delays, posted by merrick1 on Wed May 30 07:35:50 2012. Apparently it is possible to miss the estimate of how much carpet you need by about 5000 square feet.And you should get fired if you estimate that far off. That is the exact point I'm trying to make here. This kind of stuff matters! The title of this thread appears to make delays & massive overruns the rule rather than the exception. This is fundementally wrong. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Wed May 30 18:47:55 2012, in response to Re: When a New Transit Project Is Announced, Expect Delays, posted by kp5308 on Wed May 30 17:50:19 2012. Ahhh,so this is an agenda.The way you are always beating the same drum, especially related to CAHSR, leads me to that conclusion. Not based in reality due to my 25 years of experience I suppose. Cool, what role in particular? Understand that having 25 years of experience in an inustry doesn't mean that you can't have an agenda. The way you constantly beat up on CAHSR, with no real reason for doing so other than 'funding is uncertain'. I have pointed out numerous times that funding for large projects is almost NEVER obtained in full before construction starts, but you never present any additional arguments to support your viewpoint. What else am I supposed to believe? Although I will give you the "under budget sometimes" comment. Care to share a few of the public projects with us? A simple Google search will turn up the answer to that query. |
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