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R-179 order is delayed, again....protest

Posted by Gold_12TH on Fri May 18 20:24:38 2012


ALSKAW = Alstom & Kawasaki, joint venture


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Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri May 18 21:41:36 2012, in response to R-179 order is delayed, again....protest, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri May 18 20:24:38 2012.

This keeps up, the R-32s will make it to 60 years of service LOL

(I'm exaggerating of course, but they will make it to 50 and them some).

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Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest

Posted by Mike Cruz on Fri May 18 21:55:57 2012, in response to Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri May 18 21:41:36 2012.

Now maybe they will realize that they can't just throw all the old stuff away and worry about things later.

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Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest

Posted by Train Dude on Fri May 18 22:42:04 2012, in response to R-179 order is delayed, again....protest, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri May 18 20:24:38 2012.

I wonder if the delay has to do with the alleged ethics violations that involved the selection of the winning vendor.

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Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 18 22:58:15 2012, in response to Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri May 18 21:41:36 2012.

LET ME DIE WITH DIGNITY ALREADY!


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Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest

Posted by Joe V on Sat May 19 07:01:17 2012, in response to Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 18 22:58:15 2012.

The TA finds is more difficult to apply some silver paint than to do a procurement. Though the part around the bottom looks fresh.

So what's going on with the R32 SMS ? The silence is deafening.

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Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest

Posted by Widecab5 on Sat May 19 07:30:52 2012, in response to Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest, posted by Joe V on Sat May 19 07:01:17 2012.

As of May 11, 2012:

82 cars (of 222) in.

74 cars (of 222) out.

36 cars (at least) in service.

Regards,

George Chiasson Jr.
(Widecab5@aol.com)

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Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest

Posted by Joe V on Sat May 19 09:59:35 2012, in response to Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest, posted by Widecab5 on Sat May 19 07:30:52 2012.

Are you saying there are only 10 train sets of R32's in service on the C ?

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Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest

Posted by error46146 on Sat May 19 10:05:11 2012, in response to R-179 order is delayed, again....protest, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri May 18 20:24:38 2012.

No, Alstom needs to get their bitch ass out and stop dumping their garbage here. We already have too many Alstom cars. Redesign the R179 if necessary.

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Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest

Posted by Widecab5 on Sat May 19 11:50:12 2012, in response to Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest, posted by Joe V on Sat May 19 09:59:35 2012.

There are:

82 R-32's that entered the SMS. Of 222. That means there are 140 that have not yet been in the SMS program but still out there somewhere.

74 R-32's that have completed SMS. Of 222.

(Revised to May 19), there are 52 SMS'd R-32's back in service.

Hope this clariifes things.

Regards,

George Chiasson Jr.
(Widecab5@aol.com)

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Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest

Posted by Joe V on Sat May 19 13:03:25 2012, in response to Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest, posted by Widecab5 on Sat May 19 11:50:12 2012.

Now I get it - I misunderstood.
Are there any visual differences of the SMS cars ?
Are they mixed with the others?

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Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest

Posted by Joe V on Sat May 19 13:04:33 2012, in response to Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest, posted by error46146 on Sat May 19 10:05:11 2012.

Imagine splitting a small order of 300 cars among 2 or 3 builders. They would all lose money on it.

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Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest

Posted by Widecab5 on Sat May 19 14:53:01 2012, in response to Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest, posted by Joe V on Sat May 19 13:03:25 2012.

No and Yes.



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Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest

Posted by Alex L. on Sat May 19 17:33:48 2012, in response to Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 18 22:58:15 2012.

The R38s have no dignity left - they just need to die.

But why did you post this when FYBklyn was talking about the R32s?

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Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest

Posted by Gold_12TH on Sat May 19 17:55:26 2012, in response to Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest, posted by Alex L. on Sat May 19 17:33:48 2012.

Have you been on the R42 cars lately?

Those cars will be replace by R-179 if it evers get here.

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[Youtube video]; R-179 order is delayed, again....protest

Posted by Gold_12TH on Sat May 19 18:39:34 2012, in response to R-179 order is delayed, again....protest, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri May 18 20:24:38 2012.



Richard Downey of ALSKAW, LLC. - urged the Board to suspend consideration of it's award of a contract to Bombardier Transit Corporation to furnish and deliver new subway cars.

He spoke to the MTA board on 3/28/2012.... 0:00:52 to 0:03:00


MTA chairman remarks on the R-179 contract, which was approved on 0:51:40 to 0:53:11

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Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest

Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 19 18:40:08 2012, in response to Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest, posted by error46146 on Sat May 19 10:05:11 2012.

What is wrong with the Alstom cars? If you come up with a reasonable answer, I'll explain why you can't get rid of Alstom.

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Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat May 19 19:36:55 2012, in response to Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest, posted by Widecab5 on Sat May 19 14:53:01 2012.

Did they at least replace the scratchittied windows?

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Posted by VictorM on Sat May 19 20:42:28 2012, in response to Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest, posted by error46146 on Sat May 19 10:05:11 2012.

Are you kidding? The R160's have a Mean Distance Between Failure of almost ONE MILLION miles. They are superb cars. I think you're mad they don't have a good rail fan window. That's tough.

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Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest

Posted by Widecab5 on Sat May 19 21:31:51 2012, in response to Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat May 19 19:36:55 2012.

Most of them, at least on some.

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Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat May 19 22:49:16 2012, in response to Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 18 22:58:15 2012.

Now those can go anytime LOL. Once they Vader brakes were replaed at GOH, the 42s were dead to me. And I've gotten in my last RFW ride, on my way back to Sutphin-Archer on my day of railfanning back in 2006.

Hmm, that last car I was on (4834) is still active. :)


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Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 19 23:06:17 2012, in response to Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat May 19 22:49:16 2012.

Those bad boys were downright CHILLY when they were new too. :)

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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun May 20 01:13:08 2012, in response to Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest, posted by Widecab5 on Sat May 19 07:30:52 2012.

Did 3416-17 get the SMS yet?

-w-

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Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun May 20 01:17:51 2012, in response to Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 19 23:06:17 2012.

I remember my first ride on a 42 - July 20 1969 a "D" put-in from 161 after the Yankee bat day game. It must have been sitting up in the pocket for a while; the day was hot in the 80s and the train came in with frosted/fogged up windows. There had to be a 30-degree difference between the station and the train. Big orange "D" sign up front - car number was #4656-7.

wayne


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Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 20 01:44:18 2012, in response to Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun May 20 01:17:51 2012.

Even without being laid up, those babies were meatlockers when new and got their cold back 30 seconds out of a stop. :)

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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun May 20 09:16:51 2012, in response to Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 18 22:58:15 2012.

Hey Moe, I'm peelin'!

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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun May 20 09:17:52 2012, in response to Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun May 20 01:17:51 2012.

Meanwhile out in space, Apollo 11 was preparing to land on the moon. I remember ti well.

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Posted by UTC Bus Roster on Sun May 20 09:57:11 2012, in response to Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest, posted by Joe V on Sat May 19 09:59:35 2012.

The C line needs 18 8-car trains for full service 144 cars (M-F). That is not counting the spare factor.

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Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun May 20 12:51:51 2012, in response to Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest, posted by Widecab5 on Sat May 19 21:31:51 2012.

Good.

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Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun May 20 13:55:39 2012, in response to Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun May 20 09:17:52 2012.

It landed during the game - at 4:17pm. The game was stopped in the 8th inning with WA at bat and they played the national anthem. Yankees won 2-1. All runs scored on HRs - F.Howard for WA; B.Murcer and R.Woods for NYY.

wayne


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Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest

Posted by Easy on Sun May 20 14:49:59 2012, in response to Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest, posted by Train Dude on Fri May 18 22:42:04 2012.

It could, but I doubt that they would push too hard with that for a variety of reasons and that this protest will be dismissed fairly quickly. Or maybe not. Who knows.

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Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest

Posted by Train Dude on Sun May 20 15:09:40 2012, in response to Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest, posted by Easy on Sun May 20 14:49:59 2012.

A few years back, Kawasaki was dedicating it's new plant in Lincoln, Nebraska. In attendance was the very popular and extremely likable Senior VP of Subways (at that time). During the dedication, he made a speech in which he touted the unequaled quality of the Kawasaki Product (or words to that extent). That comment was featured in A full page article in one of the NY News Papers. Unfortunately, IIRC they were bidding on the R-160 contract at the time and that comment brought about the threat of a law suit because since that senior VP was part of the selection process, the other vendors felt that they were not playing on a level playing field. While I will not get into the specifics of the current ethics mess, I think that several of the unsuccessful bidders might have a supportable claim in court.

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Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest

Posted by Easy on Sun May 20 15:36:54 2012, in response to Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest, posted by Train Dude on Sun May 20 15:09:40 2012.

I can see where "unequaled" could cause some consternation, but it's not an ethics violation unless there is something more than that. Besides there's no ethical requirement that the people that award contracts have the same opinion of all of the bidders going into the process.

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Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest

Posted by Train Dude on Sun May 20 15:57:21 2012, in response to Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest, posted by Easy on Sun May 20 15:36:54 2012.

There has got to be the appearance of fairness in the bidding process. NYCT does not have to accept the low bidder for a contract - especially new car procurement. That said, the mentioned incident and another some time earlier, might have led to his premature departure.

All this aside, the issue that I refer to now (related to the R-179s) is indeed a possible ethics violation that did appear in an article in the Daily News. I just wonder if the legal ramifications of that incident have led to the current delay.

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Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest

Posted by Jace on Sun May 20 22:09:39 2012, in response to Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest, posted by Train Dude on Sun May 20 15:57:21 2012.

Here's the OIG report for more on this whole saga. The report has a date of March 2012 - it looks like the investigation was buttoned up first, before giving the contract to Bombardier. The other guys wouldn't have known about it until then, so I agree that the protest is more than likely due to this issue.

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Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest

Posted by HANDBRAKE on Sun May 20 23:05:35 2012, in response to Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri May 18 21:41:36 2012.

Nice to see the Narrow-band (12.Khz) VHF base station replacement contract rolling along after a year's delay after having to go back through the bidding process. The contract will not meet the January 1st 2013 NB deadline, but I an certain that a FCC waiver will be granted.

Get those ICOM radios ready!!!

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Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 20 23:20:12 2012, in response to Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest, posted by HANDBRAKE on Sun May 20 23:05:35 2012.

Hopefully somebody filed for it. FCC is currently backed up more than six months on waivers with the cell phone shifts in progress ...

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Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest

Posted by Railman718 on Mon May 21 09:54:07 2012, in response to Re: R-179 order is delayed, again....protest, posted by HANDBRAKE on Sun May 20 23:05:35 2012.

Get those ICOM radios ready!!!

No effing comment!

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