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Re: Lhota tells Long Island Association no East Side Access until 2019 |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 11 15:26:53 2012, in response to Re: Lhota tells Long Island Association no East Side Access until 2019, posted by Joe Saitta on Fri May 11 14:01:16 2012. I stand by my opinion that the Queensboro Bridge could be used for rail transit purposes if the powers that be really wanted this done. Huh? You could say that about anything! Almost anything can be done if the powers that be really wanted it done. So that's not a valid opinion. A valid opinion would be one that shows, based on facts and logical reasoning, why it would be more cost effective to use the bridge than a tunnel. Can you do that? I suspect not. OTOH, the obviously well educated and informed and experienced jrice is using facts and logical reasoning to show the complete opposite. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri May 11 18:27:38 2012, in response to Re: Lhota tells Long Island Association no East Side Access until 2019, posted by JohnL on Tue May 8 23:12:27 2012. When you dig and there's water, you will likely see some trouble in the future. Tokyo is full of such locations. The eastern part of Tokyo became below sea level in the sixties and seventies. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri May 11 18:28:34 2012, in response to Re: Lhota tells Long Island Association no East Side Access until 2019, posted by J trainloco on Tue May 8 22:19:41 2012. Wouldn't it make more sense to connect it to the Lower loop? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 11 18:48:00 2012, in response to Re: Lhota tells Long Island Association no East Side Access until 2019, posted by JohnL on Tue May 8 23:12:27 2012. Boston had that issue for the dig big ... so they sunk lots of pipes and literally froze the ground to cut under the tracks. So far, it worked. |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Fri May 11 18:58:28 2012, in response to Re: Lhota tells Long Island Association no East Side Access until 2019, posted by TERRapin station on Wed May 9 08:35:14 2012. here's a fetish:http://www.barenecessities.com/catalog.aspx?nxs=32&cm_mmc=GLSR-_-womens%20underwear-_-Underwear-_-A&source=GoogleA&term=Underwear&LID=43964077&gclid=CK3andqq-a8CFUJo4Aod-m4KDg |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri May 11 19:07:44 2012, in response to Re: Lhota tells Long Island Association no East Side Access until 2019, posted by Wado MP73 on Fri May 11 18:28:34 2012. It makes no sense to send the LIRR to the existing GCT at all. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat May 12 08:37:41 2012, in response to Re: Lhota tells Long Island Association no East Side Access until 2019, posted by Wado MP73 on Fri May 11 18:28:34 2012. Probably. No plan to utilize existing trackage seems to have ever been seriously considered. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat May 12 08:48:59 2012, in response to Re: Lhota tells Long Island Association no East Side Access until 2019, posted by Wado MP73 on Fri May 11 18:28:34 2012. no, cause it would have taken away MNCR trackage. It would not have solved on how to handle LIRR passengers without dumping hundreds of thousands of passengers in a already crowded GCT, so a seperate terminal hall was needed.add to that tying in the 63th street tunnel to park avenue tunnel or lower level trackage would have disrupted MNCR trains for years. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat May 12 08:49:00 2012, in response to Re: Lhota tells Long Island Association no East Side Access until 2019, posted by Wado MP73 on Fri May 11 18:28:34 2012. no, cause it would have taken away MNCR trackage. It would not have solved on how to handle LIRR passengers without dumping hundreds of thousands of passengers in a already crowded GCT, so a seperate terminal hall was needed.add to that tying in the 63th street tunnel to park avenue tunnel or lower level trackage would have disrupted MNCR trains for years. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat May 12 08:50:14 2012, in response to Re: Lhota tells Long Island Association no East Side Access until 2019, posted by J trainloco on Sat May 12 08:37:41 2012. It was seriously considered but would have caused MNCR disruptions for years during construction and not added any terminal capacity. |
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Posted by JohnL on Sat May 12 11:25:56 2012, in response to Re: Lhota tells Long Island Association no East Side Access until 2019, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 11 18:48:00 2012. Which is what they are doing at Harold. But vewy, vewy cawefully I hope! |
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Posted by Outside the Box on Sat May 12 12:35:38 2012, in response to Re: Lhota tells Long Island Association no East Side Access until 2019, posted by HANDBRAKE on Wed May 9 23:39:16 2012. Pre 1942 El and trolley into 50's. They rehabbed the structure through the 1980's. The recent paint job allowed them to go back and look for cracks to fix. |
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Posted by Outside the Box on Sat May 12 14:38:46 2012, in response to Re: Lhota tells Long Island Association no East Side Access until 2019, posted by WillD on Thu May 10 01:25:04 2012. Max vehicle weight on a bridge structure is partly a function of axle count and axle spacing. If you spread out the weight of a vehicle over a greater number of axles (and axle pairs), it will reduce the stress on the bridge. If you look at light rail, they weigh as little as 36 tons for 97' units. That weight is spread over 3 trucks and 6 axles. That comes out to ~6 tons per axle and double that per bogie. That is less than the El (>7tons) that ran over the bridge.The GT8-100C/D are heavier (59 tons), but not by much when you account for the number of axles and bogies. Spreading the weight over 4 bogies, and 8 axles result in 7.3 tons per axle and double that per bogie. That is similar to the BMT Q type that ran over the Queensboro Bridge (7.2t per axle). Similar vehicles are lighter than that. The upper deck was rebuilt in the 80's. The outer roadways were refurbished for vehicle traffic. Just because the northern roadway is a walkway doesn't mean it can't handle cars and trucks (20 tons). Its primary limitation is that it is too narrow for trucks. They had to retain one of the 2 for pedestrians and they chose the northern outer roadway. As for structure loading, there are ways to mitigate loads. Instead of conventional track and ties, use slab track or ladder track. That will greatly reduces shear forces and gradually ramp up and down force onset by spreading out loads under the wheel rail contact point over much longer lengths. LR55 and other modern ladder tracks are available. They take much of the beating and are much cheaper and easier to replace than bridge girders and chords. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat May 12 17:03:21 2012, in response to Re: Lhota tells Long Island Association no East Side Access until 2019, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat May 12 08:50:14 2012. Actually is would have severely hampered MN's capacity. The loop tracks would get intense use, and that means very high maintenance. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 12 20:55:58 2012, in response to Re: Lhota tells Long Island Association no East Side Access until 2019, posted by Joe V on Wed May 9 16:56:56 2012. Disruptive to existing buildings and MN service to construct, and permanently disruptive to MN to co-habitate with LIRRThere's no "cohabitation" with LIRR unless the electrification systems are made compatible. Total non-starter. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat May 12 22:01:19 2012, in response to Re: Lhota tells Long Island Association no East Side Access until 2019, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 12 20:55:58 2012. both LIRR and MNCR use 700 volt DC ??and we do have compatible shoes now. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun May 13 12:59:33 2012, in response to Re: Lhota tells Long Island Association no East Side Access until 2019, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 12 20:55:58 2012. There is that dual-action 3rd rail shoe, but is still would hamper MN operations. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 13:54:39 2012, in response to Re: Lhota tells Long Island Association no East Side Access until 2019, posted by Joe V on Sat May 12 17:03:21 2012. No more intense than the amount of traffic passing through the 63rd tunnels. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 14:05:37 2012, in response to Re: Lhota tells Long Island Association no East Side Access until 2019, posted by Joe V on Sun May 13 12:59:33 2012. If MN had more reverse capacity for its trains, then it wouldn't need so many tracks at GCT. Does MN even use the loops anymore? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 13 14:57:27 2012, in response to Re: Lhota tells Long Island Association no East Side Access until 2019, posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 14:05:37 2012. They use the tracks as a yard. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sun May 13 17:14:47 2012, in response to Re: Lhota tells Long Island Association no East Side Access until 2019, posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 13 14:57:27 2012. One of the nice things about Grand Central compared to Penn Station it that usually when you get to Grand Central your train is there waiting for you. At Penn whether it's the LIRR or NJT you usually have to wait around upstairs for your train to arrive at the platform. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon May 14 12:55:42 2012, in response to Re: Lhota tells Long Island Association no East Side Access until 2019, posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 13 14:57:27 2012. Hence my comment about reverse capacity. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu May 17 22:14:45 2012, in response to Re: Lhota tells Long Island Association no East Side Access until 2019, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 9 21:16:35 2012. Go move in with the Turtle, since you are emulating him. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 18 09:45:38 2012, in response to Re: Lhota tells Long Island Association no East Side Access until 2019, posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu May 10 13:29:58 2012. You got that right!! LOL. No, he actually got it wrong. He's almost always wrong. Why haven't you learned that yet? So that makes you wrong as well. What a surprise. I believe he got fired where he worked before now and sponges off his poor wife. WTF??????~~?!!!?!! No one is supposed to know about that!!!! Who told you?!?! W T F ? ? ? (Anybody remember when he got sacked?) SelkookPMS does. |
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