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76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed May 9 06:48:17 2012 Who believes? Who doesn't?I don't. |
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by GIS Man on Wed May 9 08:42:00 2012, in response to 76th Street Station Poll, posted by SLRT on Wed May 9 06:48:17 2012. I believe for every drop of rain that falls...somebody gets wet!All kidding aside, I do believe that there is something worth finding behind that wall. Bob |
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by Dan on Wed May 9 10:36:43 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station Poll, posted by GIS Man on Wed May 9 08:42:00 2012. Maybe the barest beginnings of excavation and construction. The lack of sidewalk vents has convinced me that not even a true shell is under there. |
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed May 9 10:45:34 2012, in response to 76th Street Station Poll, posted by SLRT on Wed May 9 06:48:17 2012. LION believes that their *is* a 76th Street. Him has waled on it and taken pictures there.Him even sneaked into the tunnel and took a picture there too.!  
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by Mike Cruz on Wed May 9 10:51:39 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station Poll, posted by GIS Man on Wed May 9 08:42:00 2012. ^agreed^ |
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by Kahlua on Wed May 9 11:11:00 2012, in response to 76th Street Station Poll, posted by SLRT on Wed May 9 06:48:17 2012. There is something interesting there. Whatever it is... |
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed May 9 11:34:47 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station Poll, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed May 9 10:45:34 2012. WHY IS THE IRT IN 76TH STREET!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?Curiouser and curiouser. |
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed May 9 11:38:44 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station Poll, posted by SLRT on Wed May 9 11:34:47 2012. Fan Trip? |
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed May 9 12:24:48 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station Poll, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed May 9 11:38:44 2012. Oh, OK.Never mind. |
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed May 9 13:04:29 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station Poll, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed May 9 10:45:34 2012. Believe that and Obama will leave the White House. |
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Wed May 9 13:07:05 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station Poll, posted by Dan on Wed May 9 10:36:43 2012. no sidewalk vents for the irt ext.beyound the bumper blocks at flatbush & nostrand,ditto for S4th. st.& utica ave on the A. |
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed May 9 13:07:54 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station Poll, posted by Kahlua on Wed May 9 11:11:00 2012. All you need to prove there's a station or not at 76th Street is ground penetrating radar. I for one do not believe it exists. |
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 9 13:09:19 2012, in response to 76th Street Station Poll, posted by SLRT on Wed May 9 06:48:17 2012. It's not there. If it were built, there'd be evidence it was constructed. Those construction companies don't dig holes for free. |
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Wed May 9 13:18:20 2012, in response to 76th Street Station Poll, posted by SLRT on Wed May 9 06:48:17 2012. If you are going to post a "Poll" thread please actually include A POLL!! |
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Wed May 9 13:25:09 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station Poll, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed May 9 10:45:34 2012. I thought the stairs would be in better shape for a never-used station :)--Mark |
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by randyo on Wed May 9 13:50:01 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station Poll, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 9 13:09:19 2012. Don't forget that that portion of the IND was built during one of the most corrupt city administrations and the possible reason for all the mystery behind the existence of the station may be a massive coverup that rivals the mystery behind the Kennedy assassination. |
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed May 9 14:02:52 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station Poll, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed May 9 10:45:34 2012. wheres the pantagraphs on that R17..? |
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 9 14:16:53 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station Poll, posted by Jersey Mike on Wed May 9 13:18:20 2012. +1 |
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by South FERRY on Wed May 9 14:29:06 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station Poll, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 9 14:16:53 2012. +3. |
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed May 9 14:41:33 2012, in response to 76th Street Station Poll, posted by SLRT on Wed May 9 06:48:17 2012. Believes what? That there is a full-fledged station there, right down to the advertisements and turnstiles circa 1948, but sealed up and forgotten? That there is nothing but dirt behind the wall? Something in the middle?I personally believe that there is a tunnel and maybe the barest shell of a station, like South 4th Street or even less. Certainly there isn't a station like Roosevelt Avenue upper, finished down to the tiles on the walls. Whatever is there, its a subway curio and I'd like to know what it is. Even if it turns out to be just a wall of dirt. |
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by randyo on Wed May 9 15:08:29 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station Poll, posted by Mitch45 on Wed May 9 14:41:33 2012. The descriptions I have received indicate that there is at least some tile work on the S/B platform side only but that the rest of the station shell resembles So 4 St or Utica upper. |
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 9 16:07:36 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station Poll, posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed May 9 13:07:54 2012. For once it's likely you're right. |
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by The Silence on Wed May 9 16:35:27 2012, in response to 76th Street Station Poll, posted by SLRT on Wed May 9 06:48:17 2012. I beleave...that we need to stop with this debate, it's going nowhere... |
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed May 9 17:01:41 2012, in response to 76th Street Station Poll, posted by SLRT on Wed May 9 06:48:17 2012. On the website http://www.columbia.edu/~brennan/abandoned/, the photos are obviously a forgery of an R10 ever having run there. |
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 9 18:04:54 2012, in response to 76th Street Station Poll, posted by SLRT on Wed May 9 06:48:17 2012. I was told by old time IND folks, long before any of this, that there was a partially constructed station shell back there. Never saw it myself, never even saw the wall in question there now. Was told that there were two leads coming out of there, one to the mainline, one to the yard and evidence of both of those exists.If there's any remnants of it down below the ground, a radar-based earth tomography rig on a sled, dragged across the street there, would answer this once and for all. Now as to the hoohah over it ... OCD. :) |
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by randyo on Wed May 9 18:21:19 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station Poll, posted by Joe V on Wed May 9 17:01:41 2012. Moat people realize that photo is an April fool photoshop job as 76 St was never intended to be a terminal for the line and had no provisions in its design for turning trains. |
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by randyo on Wed May 9 18:24:55 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station Poll, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 9 18:04:54 2012. The info I received about this also dates back to long before the current brouhaha started. My first info about the provision was told to me in 1959 when the mounds of earth in the median of Conduit Blvd that are at the ends of the A7 and A8 yard leads. The next came from an IND C/R in 1962 who claimed to have been in the station shell on a long relay move out of either Euclid or Pitkin Yd. |
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 9 18:41:31 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station Poll, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 9 16:07:36 2012. First of all, he's only repeating what Selkook likes to mention all the time. Notice how he failed to note that it's not his own original idea. Second of all, it's not at all clear that a GPR would be effective to the depths required for this idea to work. |
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 9 18:41:57 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station Poll, posted by South FERRY on Wed May 9 14:29:06 2012. +5 |
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Re: 76th Street Station - Revisited |
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Posted by HANDBRAKE on Wed May 9 19:07:28 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station Poll, posted by randyo on Wed May 9 18:24:55 2012. I have heard from NYCT veterans at work that A7 & A8 were once used as yard relays. Hence the home ball signals, and missing switch gear just short of the masonry blocked walls.A tunnel connection from Euclid on A1-4 tracks, I don't believe it. The bulkhead walls behind the all four bumper blocks, as well as the wide spaces between the express tracks that would have allowed A7 & A8 to drop down from the roof of the subway towards 76th Street all end in a finished concrete wall. I would find it believable if the rumor was that the US Army built a never used Air Defense missile complex at 76th Street disguised as an abandoned subway station. Similar to the 5th ADA Brigade HQ located inside the hill at Twin Lights in Highlands, NJ. My brother was a member of the 9th Regiment of NY Army National Guard in the 1950/60's, and assigned to the 244th ADA Battalion (Lido Beach). One of his accounts was that prior to the US Army deploying Nike missile batteries to protect New York City, the Army had 120mm Anti-Aircraft gun batteries that ringed the city. One such battery was located near, or at Aqueduct Racetrack in Queens. 76th Street may have been a stop on the way to the AAA gun emplacements or a munitions magazine!!! |
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 9 19:49:32 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station Poll, posted by randyo on Wed May 9 18:24:55 2012. Story I got was from a switchman at Euclid who was about to hit the silk. He'd been there since the 1940's. Same story about S/B being nearly completely poured and some tile work started on the north end, N/B platform having about 1/3 of the pour done at the north end, bare trackway that far down, but about a ten car train length from the portal in on the northbound side, maybe 8 cars worth on the other tracks and the N/B track was occasionally used for long relays.Supposedly Pitkin used the tracks for storage of their worst dogs that weren't going to be moving anytime soon as well. And that the inner (express tracks) had ramps coming up that hit the same level as the local tracks just north of 76th, but no rails had ever been laid down that far back. Steelwork and concrete supposedly went "a couple of blocks" past 76th and ended in dirt." I was also told that the entire build was on a downgrade from just beyond the portal and it was extremely "wet" back there too and as it got to 76th, it was pretty deep down. I know nothing of the geography of the area, but I would have to imagine that there's a valley of some sorts past 76th given the description of the downgrade heading east. But that's what I heard back then. |
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Re: 76th Street Station - Revisited |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 9 19:52:54 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station - Revisited, posted by HANDBRAKE on Wed May 9 19:07:28 2012. Woulda been really neat spotting THESE on the IND! :)
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by Fisk ave Jim on Wed May 9 20:16:53 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station Poll, posted by randyo on Wed May 9 13:50:01 2012. " a massive coverup... "Why?? its just an freakin alledged subway station. Whats the big deal about acknowloging or denying its existance. Next, we'll be hearing about a grassy knoll beyond the wall!! |
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed May 9 20:19:25 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station Poll, posted by Fisk ave Jim on Wed May 9 20:16:53 2012. thats the problem... |
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed May 9 20:32:15 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station Poll, posted by Edwards! on Wed May 9 14:02:52 2012. That car was abandoned there many years ago and vandals have stripped it of parts. |
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Re: 76th Street Station - Revisited |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed May 9 20:36:36 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station - Revisited, posted by HANDBRAKE on Wed May 9 19:07:28 2012. "I would find it believable if the rumor was that the US Army built a never used Air Defense missile complex at 76th Street disguised as an abandoned subway station. Similar to the 5th ADA Brigade HQ located inside the hill at Twin Lights in Highlands, NJ."My brother was a member of the 9th Regiment of NY Army National Guard in the 1950/60's, and assigned to the 244th ADA Battalion (Lido Beach). One of his accounts was that prior to the US Army deploying Nike missile batteries to protect New York City, the Army had 120mm Anti-Aircraft gun batteries that ringed the city. One such battery was located near, or at Aqueduct Racetrack in Queens." Something new has been added! |
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by aaron on Wed May 9 20:41:53 2012, in response to 76th Street Station Poll, posted by SLRT on Wed May 9 06:48:17 2012. Don't... |
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Re: 76th Street Station - Revisited |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed May 9 21:58:01 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station - Revisited, posted by HANDBRAKE on Wed May 9 19:07:28 2012. The signals were built as part of the interlocking plant that *WAS* built. The Euclid Plant was built fully complete, and thus the homeballs approaching from the east were also installed, as they were a part of that plant.When you build an interlocking plant, the entire plant with all of its interlocking bars (that is what was used in that plant) were fully installed and operational. It does not matter that the signal was facing a wall or a pile of dirt: That signal was a part of a fully functional plant as specified per contract when it was built. ROAR |
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Re: 76th Street Station - Revisited |
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Posted by HANDBRAKE on Wed May 9 21:59:29 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station - Revisited, posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed May 9 20:36:36 2012. If anything, it's pure hyperbole with 76th Street, and arguments can go in diverging directions.However I can almost envision a Nike Ajax launch rail, and warhead mounted inside an R9, running the the width of the IND to avoid detection by the Soviets. An early version of the now defunct LGMA-118 Peacemaker mounted on rail cars. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peacekeeper_Rail_Garrison_Car Add R1 car 103's funny drop ceiling into a subway missile myth of some prototype DoD missile deception plan will certainly add to the 76th Street threads. |
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed May 9 22:07:59 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station Poll, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 9 19:49:32 2012. I know nothing of the geography of the area, but I would have to imagine that there's a valley of some sorts past 76th given the description of the downgrade heading east. But that's what I heard back then.A Valley of somesort? HAH! *THAT* was the original path of the Hudson River and is largely at the head of the Hudson Canyon, which rivals the Grand Canyon in size by a very considerable amount. This Ppage from Rutgers University really shows the top of the canyon pointing at the Rockaways rather than to today' mouth of the Hudson. Its route apparently followed the Harlem River, across what is now Flushing Meadow and thence into the sea. ROAR |
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Re: 76th Street Station - Revisited |
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Posted by HANDBRAKE on Wed May 9 22:17:45 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station - Revisited, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed May 9 21:58:01 2012. There are no interlocking home ball signals on tracks A1 & A3 that face south past tracks K1/K2 that lead to Grant Avenue.However the circular argument with 76th Street is not if interlocking home ball signals were ever installed. There is evidence as such that some were installed. However how much of the IND subway extension plan got completed is where most of the present day speculation continues. I prefer a cold war air defense missile complex theory. |
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 9 22:17:46 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station Poll, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed May 9 22:07:59 2012. That would explain the "wet." :) |
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Re: 76th Street Station - Revisited |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 9 22:18:52 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station - Revisited, posted by HANDBRAKE on Wed May 9 22:17:45 2012. Aw c'mon ... we know the real story ... Judge CRATER is out there. Why can't we get Geraldo Rivera to grab a shovel and solve it once and for all? :) |
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Re: 76th Street Station - Revisited |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed May 9 22:20:11 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station - Revisited, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 9 22:18:52 2012. Geraldo has a new program on WABC radio. Give him a call, maybe he'll go and look for it.ROAR |
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Re: 76th Street Station - Revisited |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 9 22:24:24 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station - Revisited, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed May 9 22:20:11 2012. I dunno ... breaking into a glove compartment only to find an old road map just doesn't do the trick as well on radio. ;) |
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 9 23:02:09 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station Poll, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 9 18:41:31 2012. I was actually talking about his stating that it doesn't exist. |
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Re: 76th Street Station versus Powerman and the Money-Go-Round |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 10 00:19:09 2012, in response to 76th Street Station Poll, posted by SLRT on Wed May 9 06:48:17 2012. |
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Thu May 10 03:14:38 2012, in response to 76th Street Station Poll, posted by SLRT on Wed May 9 06:48:17 2012. I believe. |
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by UTC Bus Roster on Thu May 10 07:32:10 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station Poll, posted by G1Ravage on Thu May 10 03:14:38 2012. A retired motor instructor told me that he had been back there a few times. He basically told me what RANDYO has said, that it exists and that some tiling was done and that there are 4 track beds but no track laid within the station limits.I wouldn't doubt that it would be wet with all those years of neglect. The reaons for the cover-up is (from what I was told) was because the labor to construct the 76 St. station and the tunnel was non-union labor. That's the reason why there is a cover-up and the area has been walled up. |
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Re: 76th Street Station Poll |
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Posted by Dan on Thu May 10 10:10:32 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station Poll, posted by tunnelrat on Wed May 9 13:07:05 2012. O.K., but until somebody gets the jackhammers out we will never know! |
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