If you consider the entire JFK AirTrain system part of JFK Airport, then there's already a one-seat ride from Manhattan to JFK via the A, E, and J lines, as well as the LIRR from Penn Station. However, there's a $5 admission fee, payable only by MetroCard.
If you have to get up and change trains before reaching the airport, that is not a one-seat ride. A one-seat ride to the airport would be like the Piccadilly line in London, where you get on the train in Central London and get off at Heathrow. I've done it, its a long slog but its convenient.
If you consider the entire JFK AirTrain system part of JFK Airport...however, there's a $5 admission fee.
Exactly, for half the system. You are paying $5 at Howard Beach simply to enter the airport. Completely ridiculous. However at Jamaica you are paying $5 for a rapid transit ride to the airport. A fare for that service is justified.
the fare at howard beach is to prevent people from using Airtrain as a method of local transportation, which, accourding to the feds, it's forbidden from being. Like I've said in the past, the PA can charge for it's service how ever it dam well pleases.
WADR, that's some of the worst sophistry I've ever read. There's no way I'd ever call the Airtrain EWR Newark Airport Monorail part of EWR. According to that equivocation, the JFK Express gave a one-seat ride to the airport since the shuttle bus could have been considered "part of JFK"!
First, let me explain something. While there is a relatively new (within the past 30 years) cinder block wall that was built at the end of the A7 and A8 Yard leads coming from pitkin Yd, the wall at the current "end" of the Pitkin Av subway is concrete and most sources indicate that it was installed circa 1956b when the iND was connected to the BMT Fulton El Prior to that, there was a wooden wall closing off the area where 76 St is reported to be.
I'm asking the opinion of others, Terp, something that is utterly foreign to you. That is what people do when they don't know something. Maybe someone else here has some insight on which would occur first. Just because I don't know the answer doesn't mean someone else doesn't.
Of course, you wouldn't know anything about any of this, would you? Because you know everything worth knowing, right?
And why are you still clicking on my threads anyway?
As I have mentioned before in many posts, when George Abere and I went to the end of A7 and A8 in 1962, there were no cinderblock walls, just mounds of earth that extended from the floor to the roof of the tunnels possibly indicating that the tunnels go farther but were backfilled at some point. The rails were also in place but the switches to A5 and A6 had been removed and the home signals and stop arms protecting those switches were still functional. If I remember correctly, the rails didn't end in bumping blocks but continued under the earth. When we returned in 1983 the cinderblock walls had been erected, one for each track since there were actually 2 separate tunnels at that point. The rails and stop arms had been removed and the signals were still in place but with the lenses missing. The question now comes in as to whether or not similar backfilling was done under Pitkin Av as well and also how much back filling of the yard leads was actually done. That backfilling may actually have been done from the street level since 2 small mounds in the median of Conduit Blvd at what were supposed to be the ends of A7 and A8 were pointed out to me in 1959. I haven't been to the street level in that area in quite a few years so I don't know if those two small mounds are still there or whether they have been removed and the medians leveled off.
I noticed those "reverse" signals there myself whenever I have gone down there to see if there might be some way of getting behind that wall. What I can't figure out is why the wall zigzags at the S/B lcl tk A1 so that A1 can't hold a full 10 car train and clear the switches to Grant. From the plans I've seen of the area, there is no new construction that would have required the tunnel to be angled that strangely.
What they could've done is have the fare be $3 provided you only used the subway and that is your transfer to the Airtrain.
Then again it is the PA, they charge drivers an arm and a leg to use the Hudson river bridges/tunnels.
Well in that case, may as well leave the northwestern end of the Rockaway Line out of the subway system and rebuild it as a LIRR JFK Express that goes to all the terminals. Whatcha think? The NIMBYs can never have a valid argument that would continue to support having the ROW as a denizen for drug addicts and other criminals.
The signals facing the wall would have been funded as part of the Euclid Avenue interlocking project, because they provide the necessary protection for the trailing point switch from the Grant Avenue connection.
However, that home signal leading TO the wall was a part of the 76th Street interlocking, providing signal protection for the track coming up from Pitkin Yard. I can't imagine why that home signal would be there unless the 76th Street interlocking was either partially built or funded. And signals usually come in last....
When are you going to learn that your only going to lead to your own downfall when you keep messing around with users who are actually correct? I mean you already loss all the real friends you had around here and you keep losing more on Facebook.