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Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by Mitch45 on Mon May 7 08:43:02 2012

1) The cinder block wall will be taken down and we will finally find out what is behind it at 76th Street;

or

2) The LIRR Rockaway Line will be rebuilt as far as JFK, giving people a one-seat ride from Manhattan to JFK.

I don't see either one ever happening.

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon May 7 09:02:10 2012, in response to Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by Mitch45 on Mon May 7 08:43:02 2012.

If you consider the entire JFK AirTrain system part of JFK Airport, then there's already a one-seat ride from Manhattan to JFK via the A, E, and J lines, as well as the LIRR from Penn Station. However, there's a $5 admission fee, payable only by MetroCard.

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by Mitch45 on Mon May 7 09:22:06 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon May 7 09:02:10 2012.

If you have to get up and change trains before reaching the airport, that is not a one-seat ride. A one-seat ride to the airport would be like the Piccadilly line in London, where you get on the train in Central London and get off at Heathrow. I've done it, its a long slog but its convenient.

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 7 09:31:40 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon May 7 09:02:10 2012.




If you consider the entire JFK AirTrain system part of JFK Airport...however, there's a $5 admission fee.

Exactly, for half the system. You are paying $5 at Howard Beach simply to enter the airport. Completely ridiculous. However at Jamaica you are paying $5 for a rapid transit ride to the airport. A fare for that service is justified.

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 7 09:32:27 2012, in response to Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by Mitch45 on Mon May 7 08:43:02 2012.



I don't see either one ever happening.

Then what was the point of this thread? Why are you asking us which one is more likely when you can't even answer that question yourself?

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon May 7 10:54:59 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 7 09:31:40 2012.

Are you suggesting they abolish the fare at Howard Beach? That idea makes sense.

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by The Silence on Mon May 7 11:24:50 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon May 7 10:54:59 2012.

the fare at howard beach is to prevent people from using Airtrain as a method of local transportation, which, accourding to the feds, it's forbidden from being. Like I've said in the past, the PA can charge for it's service how ever it dam well pleases.

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 7 11:25:02 2012, in response to Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by Mitch45 on Mon May 7 08:43:02 2012.

What's the purpose of this thread?

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 7 11:28:03 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon May 7 09:02:10 2012.

WADR, that's some of the worst sophistry I've ever read. There's no way I'd ever call the Airtrain EWR Newark Airport Monorail part of EWR. According to that equivocation, the JFK Express gave a one-seat ride to the airport since the shuttle bus could have been considered "part of JFK"!

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by Mitch45 on Mon May 7 12:13:13 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 7 11:28:03 2012.

Yes, that is bad sophistry!

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon May 7 12:54:43 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 7 09:32:27 2012.

Go Away, Turtle. You serve nothing here.

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon May 7 12:56:19 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 7 11:25:02 2012.

Get trolls like you and the Turtle irritated. Seems to have worked.

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by Mitch45 on Mon May 7 13:48:10 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 7 11:25:02 2012.

Just making conversation. You don't have to participate if you don't want to.

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by randyo on Mon May 7 14:55:00 2012, in response to Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by Mitch45 on Mon May 7 08:43:02 2012.

First, let me explain something. While there is a relatively new (within the past 30 years) cinder block wall that was built at the end of the A7 and A8 Yard leads coming from pitkin Yd, the wall at the current "end" of the Pitkin Av subway is concrete and most sources indicate that it was installed circa 1956b when the iND was connected to the BMT Fulton El Prior to that, there was a wooden wall closing off the area where 76 St is reported to be.

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by Mitch45 on Mon May 7 15:33:24 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 7 09:32:27 2012.

I'm asking the opinion of others, Terp, something that is utterly foreign to you. That is what people do when they don't know something. Maybe someone else here has some insight on which would occur first. Just because I don't know the answer doesn't mean someone else doesn't.

Of course, you wouldn't know anything about any of this, would you? Because you know everything worth knowing, right?

And why are you still clicking on my threads anyway?

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by Mitch45 on Mon May 7 15:34:39 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by randyo on Mon May 7 14:55:00 2012.

That might be true, but would finding out what is behind the cinder block wall be helpful, if we can't ever get past the concrete wall?

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by ClearAspect on Mon May 7 15:36:29 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by randyo on Mon May 7 14:55:00 2012.

Still when I took a train back to that area, the signals, were all set up, it would make sense for the IND at the time to spend all the money to install signaling for a wall.

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by ClearAspect on Mon May 7 15:37:27 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by ClearAspect on Mon May 7 15:36:29 2012.

It wouldnt* sheesh the english has left the building.

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by randyo on Mon May 7 16:04:08 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by Mitch45 on Mon May 7 15:34:39 2012.

As I have mentioned before in many posts, when George Abere and I went to the end of A7 and A8 in 1962, there were no cinderblock walls, just mounds of earth that extended from the floor to the roof of the tunnels possibly indicating that the tunnels go farther but were backfilled at some point. The rails were also in place but the switches to A5 and A6 had been removed and the home signals and stop arms protecting those switches were still functional. If I remember correctly, the rails didn't end in bumping blocks but continued under the earth. When we returned in 1983 the cinderblock walls had been erected, one for each track since there were actually 2 separate tunnels at that point. The rails and stop arms had been removed and the signals were still in place but with the lenses missing. The question now comes in as to whether or not similar backfilling was done under Pitkin Av as well and also how much back filling of the yard leads was actually done. That backfilling may actually have been done from the street level since 2 small mounds in the median of Conduit Blvd at what were supposed to be the ends of A7 and A8 were pointed out to me in 1959. I haven't been to the street level in that area in quite a few years so I don't know if those two small mounds are still there or whether they have been removed and the medians leveled off.

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by randyo on Mon May 7 16:08:29 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by ClearAspect on Mon May 7 15:36:29 2012.

I noticed those "reverse" signals there myself whenever I have gone down there to see if there might be some way of getting behind that wall. What I can't figure out is why the wall zigzags at the S/B lcl tk A1 so that A1 can't hold a full 10 car train and clear the switches to Grant. From the plans I've seen of the area, there is no new construction that would have required the tunnel to be angled that strangely.

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by grand concourse on Mon May 7 17:13:54 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon May 7 10:54:59 2012.

What they could've done is have the fare be $3 provided you only used the subway and that is your transfer to the Airtrain.
Then again it is the PA, they charge drivers an arm and a leg to use the Hudson river bridges/tunnels.

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 7 22:57:20 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by Mitch45 on Mon May 7 13:48:10 2012.

Well in that case, may as well leave the northwestern end of the Rockaway Line out of the subway system and rebuild it as a LIRR JFK Express that goes to all the terminals. Whatcha think? The NIMBYs can never have a valid argument that would continue to support having the ROW as a denizen for drug addicts and other criminals.

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by G1Ravage on Tue May 8 02:10:54 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by ClearAspect on Mon May 7 15:36:29 2012.

The signals facing the wall would have been funded as part of the Euclid Avenue interlocking project, because they provide the necessary protection for the trailing point switch from the Grant Avenue connection.

However, that home signal leading TO the wall was a part of the 76th Street interlocking, providing signal protection for the track coming up from Pitkin Yard. I can't imagine why that home signal would be there unless the 76th Street interlocking was either partially built or funded. And signals usually come in last....

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by TERRapin station on Tue May 8 20:41:02 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon May 7 10:54:59 2012.

I'm suggesting that there be no charge for AirTrain if you're transferring from/to the subway, with a metrocard.

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by TERRapin station on Tue May 8 20:43:07 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by Mitch45 on Mon May 7 15:33:24 2012.

Reread my post. You failed to understand it.

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by TERRapin station on Tue May 8 20:44:10 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon May 7 12:54:43 2012.

Wrong again Dan Lawrence. Why are you almost always wrong?

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by Mitch45 on Tue May 8 21:04:19 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by TERRapin station on Tue May 8 20:43:07 2012.

Nobody understands you.

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 8 21:22:31 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by Mitch45 on Tue May 8 21:04:19 2012.

Oh ... most of us do ... that's why we make him sit in the corner and occasionally toss things at him. :)

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by Edwards! on Wed May 9 01:55:43 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 7 09:32:27 2012.

Well damn..didnt know you were that stupid.

Is that the whole point of asking questions? to gain knowledge..?
gezzz.

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed May 9 06:36:40 2012, in response to Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by Mitch45 on Mon May 7 08:43:02 2012.

The LIRR Rockaway rebuild by far:

I suspect Genting will be willing to pay for part of it as part of building a new convention center at Aqueduct.

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by TERRapin station on Wed May 9 08:30:28 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by Mitch45 on Tue May 8 21:04:19 2012.

No, the non-morons here understand just fine. Do please try again. You're not a moron, are you?

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat May 19 08:31:39 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by TERRapin station on Tue May 8 20:44:10 2012.

Why don't you change your handle to TERRORapin station? Suits your attitude.

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by Rockparkman on Sat May 19 09:47:30 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat May 19 08:31:39 2012.

His handle (as presented in his post, "TERRapin station") emphasizes the letters "TERR". Terr is a slang term for terrorist.

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat May 19 10:51:27 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed May 9 06:36:40 2012.

Genting should be required to fund a full excavation of the 76 St area as a condition of building the convention center. Simple as that, and it solves our problem.

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by TERRapin station on Sun May 20 11:18:18 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by Rockparkman on Sat May 19 09:47:30 2012.

Correct. So why is Dan Lawrence practically always wrong?

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun May 20 11:30:33 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat May 19 10:51:27 2012.

LOL!!!

If anyway, the Rockaway rebuild, especially if the Governor wants it, should be built into the cost of building the convention center.

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by Elkeeper on Sun May 20 16:09:15 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat May 19 10:51:27 2012.

If they ever decide to build the express tunnel under Pitkin Ave, between Euclid Ave and the Rockaway tracks, we'll find out soon enough!

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun May 20 19:57:03 2012, in response to Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by Mitch45 on Mon May 7 08:43:02 2012.

Number 2.

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon May 21 18:14:17 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by TERRapin station on Sun May 20 11:18:18 2012.

So according to Rockparkman you are a terrorist. Think I'll copy a bunch of your posts and send them to the TSA.

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by TERRapin station on Tue May 22 07:13:37 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon May 21 18:14:17 2012.

You do that. So according to almost everyone you are almost always wrong. Why is that?

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue May 22 20:02:53 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by TERRapin station on Tue May 22 07:13:37 2012.

OK, Turtle, show me who else here says the same junk you do.

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by TERRapin station on Tue May 22 20:10:36 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue May 22 20:02:53 2012.

Huh?

And have you sent my posts to the TSA yet like you said you would?

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by CJ on Tue May 22 20:17:43 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by TERRapin station on Tue May 22 20:10:36 2012.

What's the matter TS? When are you going to learn that your a phony just like all of your BS information?

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by numbersix on Tue May 22 20:33:53 2012, in response to Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by Mitch45 on Mon May 7 08:43:02 2012.

3) First contact with the Vulcans.

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by TERRapin station on Wed May 23 07:36:54 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by CJ on Tue May 22 20:17:43 2012.

LOL, my phony!

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by CJ on Wed May 23 07:58:21 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by TERRapin station on Wed May 23 07:36:54 2012.

When are you going to learn that your only going to lead to your own downfall when you keep messing around with users who are actually correct? I mean you already loss all the real friends you had around here and you keep losing more on Facebook.

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by Railman718 on Wed May 23 08:10:17 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by CJ on Wed May 23 07:58:21 2012.

Um friend and BLOCKED is the right words I think.

Remember he only "exists" here.. He can't do this anyplace else..



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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by CJ on Wed May 23 08:26:02 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by Railman718 on Wed May 23 08:10:17 2012.

That's 100% true Railman. I'm having a little fun with that boy.

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Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?

Posted by CJ on Wed May 23 08:31:31 2012, in response to Re: Which is More Likely to Happen?, posted by TERRapin station on Wed May 9 08:30:28 2012.

Stop talking about yourself. It's not cool to call yourself a moron.

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