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R156 Locomotives

Posted by MainR3664 on Wed May 2 07:39:52 2012

I see from mta.info that the first of these has actually been delivered....

I have a question...are these, or any other NYCTA locomotives capable of operating off the third rail?



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Re: R156 Locomotives

Posted by Jace on Wed May 2 09:07:16 2012, in response to R156 Locomotives, posted by MainR3664 on Wed May 2 07:39:52 2012.

The R156's are diesels with no capability of running off the third rail. Like the other diesels, they've got a third rail shoe beam on one truck but that's only for mounting ice scrapers. The 10 GE-built R77E's are the only electric locomotives in the fleet. There are also the 18 R127/R134 electrically powered refuse motors and the various former revenue cars in work motor service but that's about it.

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Re: R156 Locomotives

Posted by The Silence on Wed May 2 10:20:09 2012, in response to Re: R156 Locomotives, posted by Jace on Wed May 2 09:07:16 2012.

unless C div tries to borrow #6 or #7

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Re: R156 Locomotives

Posted by Gold_12th on Wed May 2 10:27:52 2012, in response to R156 Locomotives, posted by MainR3664 on Wed May 2 07:39:52 2012.

http://www.mta.info/news/stories/?story=663

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Re: R156 Locomotives

Posted by Mike Cruz on Wed May 2 10:58:45 2012, in response to R156 Locomotives, posted by MainR3664 on Wed May 2 07:39:52 2012.

I'm still amazed that the TA would go with such a horrible design, this pic is more clear than the one I posted a week or 2 ago and I like my out of focus one better LOL.

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Re: R156 Locomotives

Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed May 2 19:11:17 2012, in response to R156 Locomotives, posted by MainR3664 on Wed May 2 07:39:52 2012.

What are these new locos replacing ?

Bill Newkirk

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Re: R156 Locomotives

Posted by Rockparkman on Wed May 2 20:08:22 2012, in response to Re: R156 Locomotives, posted by Jace on Wed May 2 09:07:16 2012.

The R77Es are very interesting machines. Since they have GE763 motors which operate on a maximum of 300 volts, the 650 volt third rail current has to be reduced in voltage. This is accomplished by using two GE752 (road unit) motors mechanically coupled to form a rotary converter. voltage is easily controlled by modulating the excitation voltage applied to the field (connections F and FF) of the driven 752 and taking the output from the Armature of that motor (A,AA) This current is used to operate thwe locomotive.

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Re: R156 Locomotives

Posted by Mike Cruz on Wed May 2 23:37:03 2012, in response to R156 Locomotives, posted by MainR3664 on Wed May 2 07:39:52 2012.

Supposedly they are to be added to current roster & replacing only a few of the oldest loco's.

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Re: R156 Locomotives

Posted by MainR3664 on Thu May 3 18:15:22 2012, in response to Re: R156 Locomotives, posted by Mike Cruz on Wed May 2 10:58:45 2012.

I'm sorry, but I disagree. I think they look OK...they're just so diffrent from what we're used to in this area...

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Re: R156 Locomotives

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu May 3 19:56:16 2012, in response to R156 Locomotives, posted by MainR3664 on Wed May 2 07:39:52 2012.

How much horsepower?

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Re: R156 Locomotives

Posted by Mike Cruz on Thu May 3 20:16:08 2012, in response to Re: R156 Locomotives, posted by MainR3664 on Thu May 3 18:15:22 2012.

Don't be sorry bro everyone has their opinion, what I don't like about it is the fact that they are so big and it looks like there is less window room on these.

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Re: R156 Locomotives

Posted by Mike Cruz on Thu May 3 20:17:40 2012, in response to Re: R156 Locomotives, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu May 3 19:56:16 2012.

Eleventy Billion! LOL I think they said around 800.

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Re: R156 Locomotives

Posted by Mike Cruz on Thu May 3 21:04:57 2012, in response to R156 Locomotives, posted by MainR3664 on Wed May 2 07:39:52 2012.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mtaphotos/6990447978/in/photostream

Here's the Flickr page they just updated, OK if these are designed to run long hood forward 1. where is the camera to see because those windows are small and 2. why long hood forward? And don't say safety because this cab meets all new safety standards. On a positive note I'm glad it has ditch lights so they can be seen better, hopefully they wig wag so workers know when it's starting to move (besides the 2 toots). On a funny note take a look at the marker lights, they look like locomotive nipples LOL.

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Re: R156 Locomotives

Posted by b/p rupture on Thu May 3 22:53:12 2012, in response to Re: R156 Locomotives, posted by Gold_12th on Wed May 2 10:27:52 2012.


http://www.mta.info/news/stories/?story=663


Quoting the story:
The new locomotives will add much needed resources to the existing fleet as well as replacing several units that have seen nearly a half century of service in the system.

Which units are these?

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Re: R156 Locomotives

Posted by Queens Surface 295 on Thu May 3 23:00:34 2012, in response to Re: R156 Locomotives, posted by b/p rupture on Thu May 3 22:53:12 2012.

I would take a guess at #50-68 should be hitting the scrapper soon.

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Re: R156 Locomotives

Posted by monorail on Thu May 3 23:01:34 2012, in response to Re: R156 Locomotives, posted by b/p rupture on Thu May 3 22:53:12 2012.

10 & 11

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Re: R156 Locomotives

Posted by J trainloco on Thu May 3 23:42:01 2012, in response to Re: R156 Locomotives, posted by Mike Cruz on Thu May 3 20:17:40 2012.

What are the current locomotives rated at? The current fleet seems pretty underpowered. Nowadays, anything more than 3 cars and they make you order 2 locomotives.

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Re: R156 Locomotives

Posted by Mike Cruz on Fri May 4 01:09:18 2012, in response to Re: R156 Locomotives, posted by J trainloco on Thu May 3 23:42:01 2012.

I'm not sure what they (old ones) are actually, If these new ones are 800 then they should be able to at least rescue stranded trains.

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Re: R156 Locomotives

Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri May 4 06:45:22 2012, in response to Re: R156 Locomotives, posted by J trainloco on Thu May 3 23:42:01 2012.

Ya the older one are only 500hp if I remeber correctly. I think they limit only serten ones to the CWR and Ballos trains now a days.

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Re: R156 Locomotives

Posted by MainR3664 on Fri May 4 07:31:37 2012, in response to Re: R156 Locomotives, posted by Mike Cruz on Thu May 3 20:16:08 2012.

They do look big. The new SIR locomotives are also really huge.

Also, I've wondered why on many locomotives (not just NYCT), the operating cab is located behind the engines...that seems to me literally like back-seat driving...

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Re: R156 Locomotives

Posted by MainR3664 on Fri May 4 07:34:30 2012, in response to Re: R156 Locomotives, posted by Mike Cruz on Thu May 3 21:04:57 2012.

"Long hood forward"..that was what I was trying to say to Mike Cruz...it seems to me that ALL locos, on all systems, should be long hood backwards, for the sake of visibility...thoughts?

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Re: R156 Locomotives

Posted by Jace on Fri May 4 09:53:48 2012, in response to Re: R156 Locomotives, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu May 3 19:56:16 2012.

860 HP less auxiliary load. Trucks, traction motors and gears are same as R160.

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Re: R156 Locomotives

Posted by Mike Cruz on Fri May 4 10:52:12 2012, in response to Re: R156 Locomotives, posted by MainR3664 on Fri May 4 07:31:37 2012.

SIR locomotives are normal railroad size that's why they look big when coupled to say a R33 rider car. As for the other question I think everyone has a different reason for puttin the cab in the rear.

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Re: R156 Locomotives

Posted by Mike Cruz on Fri May 4 10:54:24 2012, in response to Re: R156 Locomotives, posted by Jace on Fri May 4 09:53:48 2012.

It's gonna be weird hearing those things start rollin.

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Re: R156 Locomotives

Posted by Mike Cruz on Fri May 4 16:33:36 2012, in response to R156 Locomotives, posted by MainR3664 on Wed May 2 07:39:52 2012.

A few guys on the other board got some pics & a video.

http://twitpic.com/9ghm59/full

http://youtu.be/HpmXr-F3l1g

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Re: R156 Locomotives

Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat May 5 10:45:37 2012, in response to R156 Locomotives, posted by MainR3664 on Wed May 2 07:39:52 2012.

I got my photos and videos as soon as it came off the float/barge in South Brooklyn.

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Re: R156 Locomotives

Posted by Mike Cruz on Sat May 5 13:38:45 2012, in response to Re: R156 Locomotives, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat May 5 10:45:37 2012.

Someone said it came down hell gate via CSX and NYA, soo it actually came NYNJ and went up NYA to Linden yard?

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Re: R156 Locomotives

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat May 5 13:42:59 2012, in response to Re: R156 Locomotives, posted by Mike Cruz on Sat May 5 13:38:45 2012.

you should never trust Someone, Somebody has a little more credibility but not much..


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Re: R156 Locomotives

Posted by Mike Cruz on Sat May 5 14:12:49 2012, in response to Re: R156 Locomotives, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat May 5 13:42:59 2012.

LOL for all we know it was flown in by chopper!

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Re: R156 Locomotives

Posted by jabrams on Sat May 5 16:11:44 2012, in response to Re: R156 Locomotives, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri May 4 06:45:22 2012.

How were they delivered? If by railcar, to where, if by truck, I guess to 207th St. Yard.

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Re: R156 Locomotives

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat May 5 18:31:35 2012, in response to Re: R156 Locomotives, posted by Mike Cruz on Sat May 5 13:38:45 2012.

If it was off-loaded in Brooklyn at 65th Street, NYAR would be the one who brings it to Linden Yard via the Bay Ridge Branch.

Where did you hear about it coming down on CSX from Oak Point and over the Hell Gate?? I mean it's possible, but I sure didn't hear anything about that.

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VIDEOS : R156 Locomotives

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat May 5 18:49:03 2012, in response to R156 Locomotives, posted by MainR3664 on Wed May 2 07:39:52 2012.

Found on Youtube, taken at Broadway Junction



In this video, at 0:17-0:18, looks like the videographer got flipped off by a TA employee riding in the R-156 cab!!! :-D



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Re: VIDEOS : R156 Locomotives

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat May 5 23:21:04 2012, in response to VIDEOS : R156 Locomotives, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat May 5 18:49:03 2012.

Another video of the R-156 move, coming thru Dekalb Avenue Brooklyn, and in yet again another instance of where it appears the same employee in the cab of the R-156 has flipped off the videographer!! Immature bastard!!! >:-P



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Re: VIDEOS : R156 Locomotives

Posted by chud1 on Sun May 6 04:30:46 2012, in response to VIDEOS : R156 Locomotives, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat May 5 18:49:03 2012.

da R-156 looks good.
chud1

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Re: VIDEOS : R156 Locomotives

Posted by Newkirk Images on Sun May 6 10:25:05 2012, in response to Re: VIDEOS : R156 Locomotives, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat May 5 23:21:04 2012.

Maybe it's the silver/blue paint job, but wide angle view of the video makes the R-156 appear longer in length than N-1 and N-2.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: VIDEOS : R156 Locomotives

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun May 6 10:30:31 2012, in response to Re: VIDEOS : R156 Locomotives, posted by Newkirk Images on Sun May 6 10:25:05 2012.

No, your eyes are not fooling you, nor is it the wide angle. The body is longer, and the "porches" in the back and front of the locomotive (extended platforms) are eliminated and much shorter, much as they are on most diesels.

What I think is ridiculous are:

1). The digital bell!!!!! GRRRRRRRRRR!!!

2). All the LED lights along the walk and body!! I guess they want everyone to see and marvel at this locomotive in the night!!

3). The new MTA scheme on it!!! Goodness that scheme is just NOT made for an NYCT work motor!!! Bring back the yellow and black!!!

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Re: VIDEOS : R156 Locomotives

Posted by Mike Cruz on Sun May 6 15:27:46 2012, in response to Re: VIDEOS : R156 Locomotives, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun May 6 10:30:31 2012.

That's another thing I don't get, they want the work motors to be more visible with the green stripes and this unit has blue that don't really stand out. I like how the walk way has LED's, you can't misstep there's a friggin railing to hold on to! LOL Not tryin to hate but man they really wasted money on this one I think. My .02 sorry.

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Re: VIDEOS : R156 Locomotives

Posted by Ian Lennon on Sun May 6 15:36:40 2012, in response to Re: VIDEOS : R156 Locomotives, posted by Mike Cruz on Sun May 6 15:27:46 2012.

Wasting money is what the MTA is best known for. Money Thrown Away!

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Re: R156 Locomotives

Posted by Mike Cruz on Sun May 6 15:37:06 2012, in response to Re: R156 Locomotives, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat May 5 18:31:35 2012.

I was confused at first lol it's from "BEDT 14" in this post on RAILROAD.NET

http://www.railroad.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=115&t=82970&start=45




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Re: VIDEOS : R156 Locomotives

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 6 17:47:11 2012, in response to Re: VIDEOS : R156 Locomotives, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun May 6 10:30:31 2012.

Wellll ... with the kind of management they've got there these days, no surprise that they'd want it to be more like the real railroad they know and love so much: Lionel Lines. :)

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Re: VIDEOS : R156 Locomotives

Posted by bklynsubwaybob on Sun May 6 20:24:56 2012, in response to Re: VIDEOS : R156 Locomotives, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 6 17:47:11 2012.

I certainly wouldn't have that piece of crap running under my Christmas tree. lol

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Re: VIDEOS : R156 Locomotives

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 6 20:33:43 2012, in response to Re: VIDEOS : R156 Locomotives, posted by bklynsubwaybob on Sun May 6 20:24:56 2012.

What if they did "3YC" compressors for the "loco sound?" :)

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Re: VIDEOS : R156 Locomotives

Posted by Mike Cruz on Sun May 6 20:33:44 2012, in response to Re: VIDEOS : R156 Locomotives, posted by Ian Lennon on Sun May 6 15:36:40 2012.

This is true Ian, I miss ridin our rails, "H" train to Rockaway beach forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: VIDEOS : R156 Locomotives

Posted by Train Dude on Sun May 6 21:01:32 2012, in response to Re: VIDEOS : R156 Locomotives, posted by bklynsubwaybob on Sun May 6 20:24:56 2012.

If Lionel made it, most here couldn't afford it and at least one ex-employee couldn't figure out how to operate it.

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Re: VIDEOS : R156 Locomotives

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 6 21:03:38 2012, in response to Re: VIDEOS : R156 Locomotives, posted by Train Dude on Sun May 6 21:01:32 2012.

People who played with real trains don't need toy ones. Thanks for the stalking, bro ... :)

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Re: VIDEOS : R156 Locomotives

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun May 6 21:12:52 2012, in response to Re: VIDEOS : R156 Locomotives, posted by Mike Cruz on Sun May 6 15:27:46 2012.

Definitely agree!!! And again, that paint scheme just does NOT work on such an engine for the duty it is here to do.

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Re: VIDEOS : R156 Locomotives

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun May 6 21:15:25 2012, in response to Re: VIDEOS : R156 Locomotives, posted by Train Dude on Sun May 6 21:01:32 2012.

Goodness, I could probably run that thing!!!! :-D

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Re: VIDEOS : R156 Locomotives

Posted by bklynsubwaybob on Sun May 6 22:11:43 2012, in response to Re: VIDEOS : R156 Locomotives, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 6 20:33:43 2012.

Mmmmm. How about a D3F and you've got a deal.

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Re: VIDEOS : R156 Locomotives

Posted by bklynsubwaybob on Sun May 6 22:11:43 2012, in response to Re: VIDEOS : R156 Locomotives, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 6 20:33:43 2012.

Mmmmm. How about a D3F and you've got a deal.

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Re: VIDEOS : R156 Locomotives

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 6 22:16:59 2012, in response to Re: VIDEOS : R156 Locomotives, posted by bklynsubwaybob on Sun May 6 22:11:43 2012.

Nah ... "pocketa-pocketa" sounds better for that thing. :)

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