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Re: Drunken brawl on LIRR demonstrates need for new drinking ban |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 29 23:44:59 2012, in response to Drunken brawl on LIRR demonstrates need for new drinking ban, posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Apr 29 23:39:51 2012. Please. They are drunk most of the time BEFORE getting on the train. |
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Re: Drunken brawl on LIRR doesn't demonstrate need for new drinking ban |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 29 23:52:20 2012, in response to Re: Drunken brawl on LIRR demonstrates need for new drinking ban, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 29 23:44:59 2012. Exactly. Sounds like they're creating a problem in order to impose a solution. |
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Re: Drunken brawl on LIRR doesn't demonstrate need for new drinking ban |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 29 23:52:42 2012, in response to Re: Drunken brawl on LIRR demonstrates need for new drinking ban, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 29 23:44:59 2012. Exactly. Sounds like they're creating a problem in order to impose a solution, and one that won't work to boot. |
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Re: Drunken brawl on LIRR doesn't demonstrate need for new drinking ban |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Apr 29 23:55:04 2012, in response to Re: Drunken brawl on LIRR doesn't demonstrate need for new drinking ban, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 29 23:52:20 2012. Maybe, maybe not. Who confronts the person consuming alcohol, the conductor or the police? If the latter maybe this law is intended to give them something easily enforceable to help deal with the people that engage in most of the bad behavior. If the former, it seems an unlikely way to deal with conductor assaults. |
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Re: Drunken brawl on LIRR doesn't demonstrate need for new drinking ban |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 30 00:05:28 2012, in response to Re: Drunken brawl on LIRR doesn't demonstrate need for new drinking ban, posted by Easy on Sun Apr 29 23:55:04 2012. Who confronts the person consuming alcohol, the conductor or the police?False dilemma. It's the drunken brawler that's the problem no matter where said brawler consumes the alcohol—and as already mentioned, said brawler consumed alcohol off the train and couldn't get drunk en route if starting to drink while on the train. |
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Re: Drunken brawl on LIRR doesn't demonstrate need for new drinking ban |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 30 07:01:15 2012, in response to Re: Drunken brawl on LIRR doesn't demonstrate need for new drinking ban, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 29 23:52:42 2012. All the ban would do is encourage people to consume even more alcohol, in a faster amount of time, at Penn Station or before going to Penn Station before getting on the train. People chug a lugging beers and alcohol down fast before getting on the train will make them even worse when they are on it.....people that may not have even been bad if they had drank slower. |
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Re: Drunken brawl on LIRR doesn't demonstrate need for new drinking ban |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Mon Apr 30 07:14:31 2012, in response to Re: Drunken brawl on LIRR doesn't demonstrate need for new drinking ban, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 29 23:52:20 2012. It's just LIRR management doing something to pretend to care about the safety of the employees... |
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Re: Drunken brawl on LIRR demonstrates need for new drinking ban |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Apr 30 07:20:30 2012, in response to Drunken brawl on LIRR demonstrates need for new drinking ban, posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Apr 29 23:39:51 2012. I hate public drunks. I enjoy a beer after a day's yardwork, or a day's office work. But this is just stupidity. While there's no doubt that these folks are partying hardy, they should not be continuing to drink on the train. Truthfully, there are good reasons we have open-container laws on the streets.I think that on trains, legal drinking should end even earlier- like 8:30 or 9:00 PM, the allow a "shoulder" peruiod afer the rush hour, maybe for folks who worked late and need a cold one to relax. But scenes such as we see here need ot be stopped. Maybe if people got the message they can't drink on the train home, they'd stop a little earlier too. Of course, maybe a different way of looking at it it, with all sympathy to LIRR employees, at least these dummies weren't DRIVING!! |
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Re: Drunken brawl on LIRR demonstrates need for new drinking ban |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Apr 30 07:29:31 2012, in response to Drunken brawl on LIRR demonstrates need for new drinking ban, posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Apr 29 23:39:51 2012. They sure ain't a helluva lot better on MNR!!! If this should be successful on LIRR, they should aim for it on MNR as well.MainR3664 said it best....."at least they were not driving!" Just imagine though these dimwits on the LIE, NSP, SSP, Meadowbrook Parkway or Sunrise Highway in their condition, just as I wouldn't want to imagine MNR's drunken clientele on I-95, I-684, The Hutch, The Sprain Brook or Saw Mill River Parkways!! |
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Re: Drunken brawl on LIRR demonstrates need for new drinking ban |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Mon Apr 30 07:42:04 2012, in response to Drunken brawl on LIRR demonstrates need for new drinking ban, posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Apr 29 23:39:51 2012. Why, not like there's anything else to do for fun on an LIRR train. Maybe if they restored the railfan window these people would find something else to distract themselves. |
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Re: Drunken brawl on LIRR demonstrates need for new drinking ban |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Apr 30 07:46:36 2012, in response to Re: Drunken brawl on LIRR demonstrates need for new drinking ban, posted by Jersey Mike on Mon Apr 30 07:42:04 2012. Maybe if they restored the railfan window these people would find something else to distract themselves.We still have them on the NH Line, and they are equally, if not more stupid in their behavior!!!! The RFW gives them something to throw up on and/or vandalize!!! |
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Re: Drunken brawl on LIRR demonstrates need for new drinking ban |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 30 08:19:33 2012, in response to Re: Drunken brawl on LIRR demonstrates need for new drinking ban, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Apr 30 07:29:31 2012. How is it going to stop anything? In fact it may make it worse. These people were drinking BEFORE they got on the train. What this will now encourage is these same types of people chug a lugging down more beer and liquor at Penn Station fast before getting on the train, making them even worse. |
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Re: Drunken brawl on LIRR doesn't demonstrate need for new drinking ban |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 30 08:20:44 2012, in response to Re: Drunken brawl on LIRR doesn't demonstrate need for new drinking ban, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Mon Apr 30 07:14:31 2012. EXACTLY. it will do NOTHING to stop this sort of thing. These people were drunk before getting on the train, and this ban will just encourage them to drink more beer/alcohol fast chug a lugging it at Penn Station before getting on the train |
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Re: Drunken brawl on LIRR doesn't demonstrate need for new drinking ban |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Apr 30 09:56:35 2012, in response to Re: Drunken brawl on LIRR doesn't demonstrate need for new drinking ban, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Mon Apr 30 07:14:31 2012. It's just LIRR management doing something to pretend to care about the safety of the employees...Exactly.... |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon Apr 30 11:29:32 2012, in response to Re: Drunken brawl on LIRR doesn't demonstrate need for new drinking ban, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 30 07:01:15 2012. Precisely! |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Apr 30 12:27:07 2012, in response to Re: Drunken brawl on LIRR doesn't demonstrate need for new drinking ban, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 30 00:05:28 2012. Wouldn't the public intoxication statues apply in these cases?-w- |
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Re: Drunken brawl on LIRR demonstrates need for new drinking ban |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Apr 30 13:11:09 2012, in response to Re: Drunken brawl on LIRR demonstrates need for new drinking ban, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 30 08:19:33 2012. Would it be easier just to put extra cops on the trains for at least part of journey? |
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Re: Drunken brawl on LIRR demonstrates need for new drinking ban |
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Posted by numbersix on Mon Apr 30 19:23:17 2012, in response to Drunken brawl on LIRR demonstrates need for new drinking ban, posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Apr 29 23:39:51 2012. This reminds me of the "LIRR Alcohol Train" thread last winter. |
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Posted by Fisk ave Jim on Mon Apr 30 19:52:15 2012, in response to Re: Drunken brawl on LIRR demonstrates need for new drinking ban, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Apr 30 07:29:31 2012. Thats if the assumption is these a-holes live near the station. Many of these fools get off the train & into their cars & drive home. Some of them make it, some get locked up, few get scraped up. |
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Re: Drunken brawl on LIRR demonstrates need for new drinking ban |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue May 1 23:01:23 2012, in response to Re: Drunken brawl on LIRR demonstrates need for new drinking ban, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Apr 30 07:20:30 2012. Banning alcohol on the RR isn't going to change a thing. They're all wasted by the time they get to the train. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue May 1 23:03:17 2012, in response to Drunken brawl on LIRR demonstrates need for new drinking ban, posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Apr 29 23:39:51 2012. The ban won't change anything! People will still pregame on the train and they'll still be fighting drunk when they get back on the train to go home. You'll see just as many fights as before. |
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Re: Drunken brawl on LIRR demonstrates need for new drinking ban |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed May 2 00:14:18 2012, in response to Re: Drunken brawl on LIRR demonstrates need for new drinking ban, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Apr 30 07:29:31 2012. Difference: Metro-North doesn't run all night---and they have some detox time before the early morning trains if they stay to last call. |
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