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PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15

Posted by chuchubob on Sun Apr 29 15:08:59 2012

Long term bustitution gave way to PCC II service Sunday between 63rd Street and Northern Liberties on April 29. Front Street to Westmoreland Loop will remain with stinkbuggies well into the future.

turning from Frankford Ave onto Girard




Northern Liberties





looking west on Girard Ave



westbound at Broad Street
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Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15

Posted by monorail on Sun Apr 29 15:23:08 2012, in response to PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15, posted by chuchubob on Sun Apr 29 15:08:59 2012.

excellent photos!

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Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15

Posted by chud1 on Sun Apr 29 15:59:43 2012, in response to PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15, posted by chuchubob on Sun Apr 29 15:08:59 2012.

A+ on these great pictures.

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Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15

Posted by SLRT on Sun Apr 29 16:20:27 2012, in response to PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15, posted by chuchubob on Sun Apr 29 15:08:59 2012.

Beautiful!

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Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Apr 29 16:23:52 2012, in response to PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15, posted by chuchubob on Sun Apr 29 15:08:59 2012.

very nice shots

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Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Apr 29 16:39:07 2012, in response to PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15, posted by chuchubob on Sun Apr 29 15:08:59 2012.

Nice photos, Bob!

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Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15

Posted by Train2104 on Sun Apr 29 16:51:38 2012, in response to PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15, posted by chuchubob on Sun Apr 29 15:08:59 2012.

Nice shots!

Is service to Westmoreland suspended "indefinitely" or will it be back a couple of years from now?

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Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 29 16:55:52 2012, in response to PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15, posted by chuchubob on Sun Apr 29 15:08:59 2012.

Nice shots and good news.

Now if only Brookville were inventive (and capitalized) enough to come up with a low-floor PCC lookalike; they'd take the market away from the overseas firms . . .

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Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Apr 29 18:22:48 2012, in response to PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15, posted by chuchubob on Sun Apr 29 15:08:59 2012.

Those are nice pics! I love streetcars, no matter where they are.

wayne
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Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15

Posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Apr 29 18:49:33 2012, in response to PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15, posted by chuchubob on Sun Apr 29 15:08:59 2012.

Finally, a good reason to go to a casino!

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Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15

Posted by zac on Sun Apr 29 19:04:47 2012, in response to PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15, posted by chuchubob on Sun Apr 29 15:08:59 2012.

Great shots, and the cars look great.

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Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15

Posted by chuchubob on Sun Apr 29 19:48:28 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15, posted by Train2104 on Sun Apr 29 16:51:38 2012.

Service to Westmoreland is by bus until the trolley returns when the construction work is completed.

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Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15

Posted by Mack C-49 on Sun Apr 29 20:33:02 2012, in response to PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15, posted by chuchubob on Sun Apr 29 15:08:59 2012.

Great pictures! Great PCCs! When are streetcars going to be restored to the Germantown Route (the #23?) Every time I visit Philly I look in vain to see some sign of trolleys on that route. The tracks and wire appear to be maintained. Is there hope?

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Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 29 20:41:14 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15, posted by Mack C-49 on Sun Apr 29 20:33:02 2012.

When are streetcars going to be restored to the Germantown Route (the #23?)

Here's a hint.
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Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15

Posted by Mack C-49 on Sun Apr 29 21:16:57 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 29 20:41:14 2012.

ACK! I hope you are just being a bit pessimistic. (Great illustration)

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Re: PHOTOS: PCC-IIs returned to Route 15

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 29 21:24:00 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15, posted by Mack C-49 on Sun Apr 29 21:16:57 2012.

I hope so too. But the city is making no moves to do anything with that line right now, and of course PennDOT over the tracks of Route 56 and SEPTA removed the wires back in 2004 (a broken promise that nobody did anything about).

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Re: PHOTOS: PCC-IIs returned to Route 15

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 29 21:24:31 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15, posted by Mack C-49 on Sun Apr 29 21:16:57 2012.

I hope so too. But the city is making no moves to do anything with that line right now, and of course PennDOT paved over the tracks of Route 56 and SEPTA removed the wires on that route back in 2004 (a broken promise that nobody did anything about).

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Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Apr 30 13:21:48 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15, posted by Mack C-49 on Sun Apr 29 20:33:02 2012.

12th of Never. SEPTA is sometimes referred to as NCL reborn, they don't want any surface streetcar lines. Right now the Subway-Surface lines and the 15 are the only streetcar lines SEPTA has and 15 was put back due to City pressure, which is why SEPTA only sent 18 PCC cars to Brookville for rebuilding, which means if more than 3 cars are in the shops, buses take over.

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Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Apr 30 15:58:07 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15, posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Apr 30 13:21:48 2012.

SEPTA is sometimes referred to as NCL reborn

I'll buy that. NCL bought more PCCs than any other customer, and SEPTA is one of only four properties in the U.S. to still run them.

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Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15

Posted by Joe Saitta on Mon Apr 30 17:09:05 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Apr 30 15:58:07 2012.

Believe it's five: San Francisco, San Diego, Kenosha, Philadelphia and Boston.

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Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15

Posted by George Foelschow on Mon Apr 30 20:35:28 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Apr 30 15:58:07 2012.

"NCL bought more PCCs than any other customer"

What's your PROFF? Offhand, I'd say the largest fleets of PCCs in the North America were Pittsburgh, Chicago, and Toronto, none of which were ever NCL properties. NCL is infamous for its practice of streetcar elimination.

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Re: PHOTOS: PCC-IIs returned to Route 15

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 30 20:38:27 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15, posted by George Foelschow on Mon Apr 30 20:35:28 2012.

"NCL bought more PCCs than any other customer"

What's your PROFF?

Mr. Lawrence seems to enjoy trolling here. I wonder if he's competing with TS?

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Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Apr 30 21:10:15 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Apr 30 15:58:07 2012.

I cannot believe NCL ever bought PCC cars outside of Los Angeles. Baltimore and Phildaelpia didn't get any new PCC cars after NCL got control.

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Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue May 1 11:16:01 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15, posted by Joe Saitta on Mon Apr 30 17:09:05 2012.

Believe it's five: San Francisco, San Diego, Kenosha, Philadelphia and Boston.

Right; I forgot about San Diego. Honorable mention to the Dallas M-Line.

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Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue May 1 11:36:54 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15, posted by George Foelschow on Mon Apr 30 20:35:28 2012.

What's your PROFF? Offhand, I'd say the largest fleets of PCCs in the North America were Pittsburgh, Chicago, and Toronto, none of which were ever NCL properties. NCL is infamous for its practice of streetcar elimination.

I don't remember where I read it, but there were numbers to back it up. Chicago is an excellent example of busification not being unique to National City Lines, as is the elimination of streetcars in every other city not controlled by NCL.

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Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15

Posted by ebtmikado on Tue May 1 12:16:09 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15, posted by Joe Saitta on Mon Apr 30 17:09:05 2012.

The San Diego car has a pantograph....That doesn't count ;-)

Lee

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Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15

Posted by Joe Saitta on Tue May 1 12:43:42 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15, posted by ebtmikado on Tue May 1 12:16:09 2012.

And so did Pittsburgh's and Newark's and almost all European PCCs. But they're still PCCs. Nowhere does it say a PCC isn't a PCC if it uses pantographs. I don't like pantographs either but....

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Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15

Posted by blue8irt on Tue May 1 15:25:51 2012, in response to PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15, posted by chuchubob on Sun Apr 29 15:08:59 2012.

Such cool old technology still working. This should return to many cities in our country.
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Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15

Posted by chuchubob on Tue May 1 19:30:00 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15, posted by blue8irt on Tue May 1 15:25:51 2012.

These are LRV's in PCC shells.

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Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue May 8 10:10:08 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15, posted by chuchubob on Tue May 1 19:30:00 2012.

Correct, but there is no PCC technology in them anymore. The PCC-II is SEPTA's term.

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Re: PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15

Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue May 8 15:30:31 2012, in response to PHOTOS: PCC II's returned to Route 15, posted by chuchubob on Sun Apr 29 15:08:59 2012.

I see during their time away SEPTA updated the signage to make it digital like they did the Kawasaki trolleys done previously.


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