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MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway

Posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Apr 27 16:01:14 2012

The head of the MTA said today he would like to see the 7 train extend further south into Chelsea and over to the West Side Highway.

Joseph Lhota said he supports the 7 south-western expansion because that area of the city could use more subways.

"I'd like to see the 7 train in other parts of New York City," he said at the Regional Plan Association's annual transportation conference.

He said he'd like the 7 - currently being extended to 34 and 11th Avenue - to someday snake down to 23rd Street and the West Side Highway.

Lhota recently said it was unlikely that Mayor Bloomberg's dream of a cross-Hudson River 7 train connection would ever happen.

He does support the Amtrak Gateway project, which would add tunnels to bring trains from New Jersey into Manhattan.

--- http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/mta_chairman_says_he_like_to_see_kxmOxltmpck92hncGBz8VP#ixzz1tGyZxiPs

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Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway

Posted by FarRock on Fri Apr 27 16:04:19 2012, in response to MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Apr 27 16:01:14 2012.

Why not extend it all the way down to Chelsea Market?

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Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway

Posted by FarRock on Fri Apr 27 16:05:53 2012, in response to Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway, posted by FarRock on Fri Apr 27 16:04:19 2012.

If possible you bring the el down the block too. A terminal at Chelsea Market would bring in alot of money

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Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway

Posted by FarRock on Fri Apr 27 16:06:25 2012, in response to Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway, posted by FarRock on Fri Apr 27 16:05:53 2012.

Instead of “el“ I meant (L)

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Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway

Posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Apr 27 16:16:20 2012, in response to MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Apr 27 16:01:14 2012.

10th Av & 42nd Av station, please.

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Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Apr 27 17:00:31 2012, in response to MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Apr 27 16:01:14 2012.

fine. agnostic as to which should happen first of various plans/dreams, but buzz about serving isolated but lively areas is a good thing.

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Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway

Posted by Fisk ave Jim on Fri Apr 27 18:08:33 2012, in response to MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Apr 27 16:01:14 2012.

Did'nt they bury the tunnel boring machine in concrete just south of the 34st,11 ave. station?? If an extention is in the future plans, that would have to be a engineering nightmare to overcome, not to mention expense IMO

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Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway

Posted by Gene B. on Fri Apr 27 18:22:29 2012, in response to Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Apr 27 16:16:20 2012.

I think you meant 10th Ave and 41st St. If so, I am with you all the way. Then, on to 23rd St and maybe Chelsea.

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Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway

Posted by znufrii on Fri Apr 27 18:56:44 2012, in response to Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway, posted by Fisk ave Jim on Fri Apr 27 18:08:33 2012.

iirc, the tunnels already extend down to 27th. don't know what happened to the TBM, though.

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Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Apr 27 19:00:22 2012, in response to MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Apr 27 16:01:14 2012.

I love the idea. I'd eventually like to see the 7 reach all the way down to WFC

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Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway

Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Apr 27 20:07:39 2012, in response to Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway, posted by Fisk ave Jim on Fri Apr 27 18:08:33 2012.

Usually they just leave the TBM at the end of the tunnel and put up a wall, not actually burying it.

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Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway

Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Apr 27 20:08:17 2012, in response to Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway, posted by Gene B. on Fri Apr 27 18:22:29 2012.

Yeah. That first.

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Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway

Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Apr 27 21:09:07 2012, in response to Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway, posted by FarRock on Fri Apr 27 16:04:19 2012.

I think because of it being too close to the water that part would have to be elevated. When I brought up my (L) expansion ideas, I have the (L) going diagonally until it reached 10th Avenue, with the first stop at 23rd Street.

Perhaps that part could be done with the (7) also going there.

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Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway

Posted by grand concourse on Fri Apr 27 21:32:14 2012, in response to Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway, posted by Gene B. on Fri Apr 27 18:22:29 2012.

Agreed.

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Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway

Posted by JAFO on Fri Apr 27 21:43:00 2012, in response to Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway, posted by znufrii on Fri Apr 27 18:56:44 2012.

Google Maps view showing the access shaft at 11th Ave & 26th :

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=40.750554,-74.00547&spn=0.000534,0.000862&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=36.589577,56.513672&t=h&z=20

The two subway tunnels were started here and the TBM machines dug their way north to 41st St, then east to connect with the existing 7 line tunnels under the PABT at 8th Ave & 41st

Each tunnel was built using their own TBM machine, and both tunnels were dug simultaneously. Tunnel 1 was completed in June 2010, Tunnel 2 completed in August 2010. The TBM machines were partially dismantled and reversed through the completed tunnels back to the 26th St access shaft where they were dismantled and removed.

The TBM machines would have been refurbished by their owner, and are thought to be at work on other tunneling jobs.



Since these tunnels are already as far south at 26th St, it shouldn't be too hard to start a "7 Extension Phase II" to dig south to 23rd St and then East to 1st Ave.

Anyone got a few $Billion$ to spare?

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Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway

Posted by JAFO on Fri Apr 27 21:44:37 2012, in response to Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway, posted by JAFO on Fri Apr 27 21:43:00 2012.

forgot to include the MTA news release:

http://www.mta.info/news/stories/?story=74

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Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway

Posted by znufrii on Fri Apr 27 22:01:36 2012, in response to Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway, posted by JAFO on Fri Apr 27 21:43:00 2012.

thanks. thought I remembered something of the sort.

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Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway

Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 27 22:04:19 2012, in response to Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Apr 27 21:09:07 2012.

Use the High Line!!!

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Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Apr 27 22:43:26 2012, in response to Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway, posted by znufrii on Fri Apr 27 22:01:36 2012.

The burial of the TBM was for ESA.

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Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway

Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Apr 27 23:04:01 2012, in response to Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway, posted by FarRock on Fri Apr 27 16:06:25 2012.

But can the L handle more people between First Av and Bedford? Either you'd need more trains or longer ones.

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Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway

Posted by italianstallion on Fri Apr 27 23:57:31 2012, in response to MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Apr 27 16:01:14 2012.

"because that area of the city could use more subways."

What about all the other areas of the city that could use more subways?

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Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Apr 28 00:18:23 2012, in response to Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 27 22:04:19 2012.

YES!!!

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Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway

Posted by chud1 on Sat Apr 28 05:03:44 2012, in response to Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Apr 27 16:16:20 2012.

why not send it all da way to da new World Trade Center.
chud1

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Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway

Posted by B49 Limited on Sat Apr 28 11:09:35 2012, in response to Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway, posted by italianstallion on Fri Apr 27 23:57:31 2012.

For example how about a boro that needs a subway link to the other other boros..... eh hum Staten Island?

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Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway

Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Apr 28 12:15:41 2012, in response to Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway, posted by JAFO on Fri Apr 27 21:43:00 2012.

South to 23rd St., yes. Build a terminal station at Chelsea Piers. East on 23rd St. to 1st Ave.? I think not. Maybe the L can be extended west, then turn north under the West Side Highway to end with the bumping block around 18th St. A transfer passage could connect the north end of the L with the south end of the 7. The whole thing would need to be in bored tunnels so as not to disturb the highway on the surface.

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Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway

Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Apr 28 12:37:30 2012, in response to MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Apr 27 16:01:14 2012.

If that's what they wanted, they could have extended the 14th Street line over the High Line years ago at a fraction of the cost. They could have redeveloped the area so that the High Line disappeared within the buildings like Moses proposed for the mid-Manhattan Expressway.

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Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway

Posted by Princelex456 on Sat Apr 28 12:52:02 2012, in response to Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway, posted by grand concourse on Fri Apr 27 21:32:14 2012.

I second that 1000%

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Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway

Posted by FarRock on Sat Apr 28 12:54:27 2012, in response to Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway, posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Apr 27 23:04:01 2012.

Those people between Bedford & 1st are the same ones who get off and walk to 9th av, the (L) wouldnt really increase. If more trains is needed I guarantee CBTC can allow 2 min headways, just need platform conductors at busy stations to regulate the crowd so trains can move in and out of stations quickly.

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Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Apr 28 17:24:43 2012, in response to Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway, posted by B49 Limited on Sat Apr 28 11:09:35 2012.

Nope, next

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Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Apr 28 17:25:32 2012, in response to Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Apr 28 12:37:30 2012.

Eh, not gonna lie, the finished product for the highline is a thing of beauty. I would've loved to see the 7 run it, but the park really is great.

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Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Apr 28 17:26:19 2012, in response to Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway, posted by FarRock on Sat Apr 28 12:54:27 2012.

You mean those Japanese pushers? lol

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Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Apr 28 17:28:44 2012, in response to Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway, posted by JAFO on Fri Apr 27 21:43:00 2012.

Yeah but you have to build further south than 23rd st because of the layover area

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Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway

Posted by Fisk ave Jim on Sat Apr 28 18:45:00 2012, in response to Re: MTA chairman says he's like to see (7) train expansion to 23 St & on West Side Highway, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Apr 27 22:43:26 2012.

Aah, thanks for the info. I knew there was a TBM "funearal" somewhere!

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