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Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937))

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Apr 27 16:07:15 2012, in response to Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)), posted by JFK DEPOT on Fri Apr 27 11:52:49 2012.

Half a loaf has been given by a little "BRIARWOOD" caption beneath the Van Wyck Blvd. tablets. I don't think they can alter the existing tablets - possible landmark status for all existing installations.

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Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937))

Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Apr 27 16:11:51 2012, in response to Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)), posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Apr 27 16:07:15 2012.

I guess that i,m the only one here that remembers that the local "PC`S" wanted the name changed to briarwood because mayor van wyck was corrupt[who wasn`t at that time] & took it as an affront to their good community.

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Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937))

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 27 17:32:08 2012, in response to Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)), posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Fri Apr 27 14:39:21 2012.

You can easily see where the old ramp ended because the lighting goes from 1930's incandescent to 1970's fluorescent tube (which once was novel, seen only on the Brooklyn IRT and the 60th St tube.

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Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937))

Posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Apr 27 20:14:27 2012, in response to Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)), posted by JFK DEPOT on Fri Apr 27 11:52:49 2012.

They could just number the stations like exits on a highway. That would eliminate the problem.

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Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937))

Posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Apr 27 20:17:18 2012, in response to Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)), posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Fri Apr 27 14:39:21 2012.

"I also remember the stacks of trains on the express tracks when express trains weren't in service...

Still done quite heavily.

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Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937))

Posted by merrick1 on Fri Apr 27 20:19:55 2012, in response to Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)), posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Apr 27 20:14:27 2012.

By miles or consecutively?

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Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937))

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Apr 27 20:49:24 2012, in response to Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)), posted by JFK DEPOT on Fri Apr 27 11:52:49 2012.

Non accuracy in station naming is a common failing. BART has a "Macarthur" station at 40th St Oakland . Not only is there no rider access at Macarthur Boulevard, the platform doesn't even reach it The Ashby Avenue station entrances are 3 blocks south unless you count the parking lot.

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Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)

Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 27 21:49:00 2012, in response to Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937), posted by Fisk ave Jim on Thu Apr 26 21:49:33 2012.

There was, however, a time when both the IRT and BMT published marker lights for the benefits of the passengers as well as the principal purpose of informing towermen. Up until the PA-5s, PATH published the marker lights of its various services even though trains had end signs.



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Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)

Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 27 21:52:22 2012, in response to Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937), posted by Joe Saitta on Fri Apr 27 07:51:07 2012.

Unfortunately, I don't recall ever seeing Multis on any Southern Div routes although another railfan mentioned that he had seen Multis in service on the Franklin Shuttle circa 1956, probably about the same time that were being transferred from 14 St to Myrtle but he said that only lasted about a week.

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Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)

Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 27 21:55:24 2012, in response to Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937), posted by Fulton Frank on Fri Apr 27 06:40:02 2012.

The 11 St Cut is the point where the tracks from the 60 St Tunnel diverge over to the IND. It is at 11 St in LIC, Queens and I did walk it once from Qnsbro Plaza when I was a towerman. I counted the numbered streets from the plaza and there seemed to be a few street numbers missing along the way.

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Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937))

Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 27 22:00:18 2012, in response to Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)), posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Apr 27 15:53:16 2012.

Well, actually, wouldn't you consider the connection from the IND Fulton Subway to the BMT Fulton El S/O Euclid sort of a part of the "second system" since the provisions for that connection were always there from the opening of the line to Euclid?

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Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937))

Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 27 22:03:02 2012, in response to Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Apr 27 20:49:24 2012.

How about West 4 St? AFAIK there has never been an entrance or exit actually at W 4 St itself.

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Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)

Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Apr 27 23:08:33 2012, in response to Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937), posted by randyo on Fri Apr 27 21:49:00 2012.

I was going to say something about PATH but I see it's been taken care of.

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Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937))

Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Apr 27 23:09:06 2012, in response to Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)), posted by randyo on Fri Apr 27 22:00:18 2012.

good point,never thought of it.

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Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937))

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Apr 28 00:21:44 2012, in response to Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)), posted by randyo on Fri Apr 27 22:03:02 2012.

Correct AFAIK.

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Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937))

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 28 01:23:21 2012, in response to Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)), posted by merrick1 on Fri Apr 27 20:19:55 2012.

By kilometers. Might as well start out right.

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Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937))

Posted by Billy P. on Sat Apr 28 01:50:10 2012, in response to Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)), posted by Mitch45 on Wed Apr 25 18:41:59 2012.

Ely Ave. is the former name of 23rd Street. Just as on the G line, Van Alst Ave. is the former name of 21st Street. Unless they've done away with the Van Alst part & the station is only 21st St., I haven't been through there in quite some time....................

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Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937))

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 28 10:06:13 2012, in response to Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)), posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Apr 27 16:07:15 2012.

I wouldn't touch any of that tilework. It has held up quite well.

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Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937))

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 28 10:07:36 2012, in response to Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)), posted by Mitch45 on Fri Apr 27 10:32:33 2012.

OK, got it. Thanks. Now that station is known as, "Mets-Willets Point." We'll see how they do this season.

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Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937))

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 28 10:12:41 2012, in response to Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)), posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Fri Apr 27 14:39:21 2012.

I undersrtand that Fred trains running express would rip past Sutphin Blvd. at an even faster clip. At least Wayne's recollection of an R-10 rocket of a Fred train gives that impression. In his words, Sutphin Blvd. went by in a blur.

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Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 28 10:15:35 2012, in response to Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937), posted by Joe Saitta on Fri Apr 27 07:51:07 2012.

Was it signed as a 1 or a 2?

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Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937))

Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Apr 28 10:38:40 2012, in response to Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)), posted by tunnelrat on Fri Apr 27 23:09:06 2012.

Yeah,but was it part of the first system, just suspended by WW II?

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Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937))

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 28 13:35:43 2012, in response to Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)), posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Apr 27 20:17:18 2012.

Almost every inch of express track between 169th St and 75th Ave is used for late night and weekend layups.

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Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937))

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 28 13:38:00 2012, in response to Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)), posted by Mitch45 on Wed Apr 25 18:41:59 2012.

Minor quibble. The street didn't change it's name, it's status changed. Much like Lefferts Ave becoming Lefferts Blvd. Let's also remember that the Liberty Ave BMT stations retained their old street names in some manner into the 1990's.

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Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937))

Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Apr 28 16:26:09 2012, in response to Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)), posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 28 01:23:21 2012.

"By kilometers. Might as well start out right."

Yes!


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Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937))

Posted by italianstallion on Sat Apr 28 19:46:56 2012, in response to Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)), posted by Mitch45 on Fri Apr 27 10:32:33 2012.

Of course, that is still a misnomer. The geographic feature known as Willets Point is actually many miles away, in Whitestone, where the (now disconnected) stretch of the other part of Willets Point Blvd. ends near the water.

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Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937))

Posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 28 20:06:38 2012, in response to Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 28 13:35:43 2012.

That Jamaica Yard was designed too small. But back then, while they did not anticipate a BMT service, they expected the Queens Blvd line to go much farther east.

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Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937))

Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Apr 28 22:30:25 2012, in response to Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)), posted by Avid Reader on Sat Apr 28 10:38:40 2012.

another good question.I would say yes&yes to my answer.

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Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)

Posted by renee gil on Wed Aug 29 16:49:44 2012, in response to Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 24 14:01:37 2012.

Only one thing wrong with that - G: 1990 to '97, not 1992 to '99.

The G began running to 179th Street on 9/30/1990 during late nights, while the F terminated at 21st St-Queensbridge. The R became the current late night shuttle from 36th St to 95th St that same day.



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Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937))

Posted by 5119 on Wed Aug 29 17:54:19 2012, in response to Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)), posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 28 10:12:41 2012.

They did fly by Sutphin. Remember seeing one do so in 1967.

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Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937))

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Aug 29 18:16:24 2012, in response to Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)), posted by 5119 on Wed Aug 29 17:54:19 2012.

The curve entering Van Wyck Boulevard was protected by a timer back in those days - the one between Van Wyck and Sutphin was not. A similar situation exists on city-bound "A" trains on the express tracks between Van Siclen and Liberty Avenues - no timer on that curve, so you can do 40 MPH if you think you can get away with it. Back in the good old days, "F" expresses routinely did 40 and some motorpeople did more than that - i.e. that R-10 and another train of R-6 and R-7 cars (S motor=1233) as well. That is a relatively broad curve and once the train unwinds from it, it is often hauling ass.

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Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937))

Posted by Edwards! on Wed Aug 29 20:36:49 2012, in response to Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)), posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Aug 29 18:16:24 2012.

it was a sweet run..this is why I loved the QB Manhattan bound..
the downhill run between Roosevelt and Queens Plaza..even CPK WEST can compete..

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Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937))

Posted by Edwards! on Wed Aug 29 21:22:03 2012, in response to Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)), posted by William A. Padron on Fri Apr 27 13:41:34 2012.

Yup...that was suppose to be the "first terminal" for the Van Wyck line to Rockaway Blvd..which was suppose to be built BEFORE the 179th terminal.

Moses stop the construction of the line for his Van Wyck expressway project..even promising the "city" he would place in the road a median for trains to the planned airport..
of course,Moses who he was,never kept his word..instead..he built the roadway to specs that was unfit for rail service.

If the transit route were built.it would have to be elevated..or built under the service roads..

so no Van Wyck subway..until the Archer avenue subway..and the Airtrain.

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Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937))

Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Thu Aug 30 02:30:44 2012, in response to Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)), posted by Edwards! on Wed Aug 29 20:36:49 2012.

I especially loved the 'cowboys' who would depart Roosevelt at full speed and keep the throttle wide open all the way through the curves west of 65th St station - full power until approaching the timers just east of 36th St station. They were few and far between.

Then there were the 'Cautious Cals", who would power off at the bottom of the hill right at the entrance to 65th St station (or some even earlier in the middle of the down slope between Roosevelt and 65th) and coast all the way down until the aforementioned curves.

FYI, during the power crisis of the 70s, there was a square 'C' sign on that slope before 65th St where the motorman were required to shut off and coast by rule. The signs are probably not there now.

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Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937))

Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Thu Aug 30 02:35:56 2012, in response to Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)), posted by Mitch45 on Wed Apr 25 18:41:59 2012.

And actually, most of the foot traffic to the station wasn't along Van Wyck Blvd itself. It came from the long passageway underneath the Van Wyck Expressway to the stairs at Queens Blvd (near Main St).

And now, I heard they have that closed off, maybe permanently, for construction. What gives?

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Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937))

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Aug 30 04:56:44 2012, in response to Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)), posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Thu Aug 30 02:30:44 2012.

There is a speed limit sign around that curve. Forget what it is becasue I haven't been there for a spell.

So the "cowboys" you loved were operating recklessly and breaking the rule......the speed limit rule around that curve.

I deeply resent t/o's being called 'Cautious Cals' for operating in accordance to the rules.

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Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)

Posted by renee gil on Thu Aug 30 10:54:02 2012, in response to Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937), posted by William A. Padron on Tue Apr 24 09:16:13 2012.

The nighttime "G" shuttle would be from Jamaica Center to Van Wyck Blvd. If that was to happen, what would serve the Crosstown Line?

"When just prior to the opening of the Archer Avenue extension, there were actual signs made up to have "N" trains (and nighttime "G" shuttles)"

Actually, there were legitimate station signs of the G and N trains at Union Turnpike/Kew Gardens. I remember seeing those around 1986-87. Until the late 1980's, there were several signs at that station which displayed the E,F,G,N running there. I wonder why those signs were put up in the first place. The sign said that both the G and N (no R, as this plan was well before the R ran to Continental Ave in '87) were supposed to go to Jamaica Center, but I never seen that happened. The Archer Avenue Subway was already done by this point (Construction ended in late 1983/early '84).

Also, back in 2007, when I waited at the Van Wyck (Briarwood) station, I could of see the old G sign that has been covered with the new service sticker which said "To Archer Ave".



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Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937))

Posted by renee gil on Thu Aug 30 12:44:46 2012, in response to Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)), posted by William A. Padron on Fri Apr 27 13:41:34 2012.

The entire grade separated tunnels for tracks D1A and D2A were built as part of the Queens lines contract under Public Works Administration (PWA) project No. 2741 in 1935 and 1936. The original tunnel lighting was installed and operative. They were called tracks D5 and D6 in 1935 and were destined to go the Rockaway Blvd.

The bellmouths was built originally south of Van Wyck Boulevard station to the middle of the present interlocking just north of Jamaica Van Wyck. When the Archer Avenue Line was built and extended, the original tunnels was left, but new tiles and tracks were added.

I kind of figured the provision for the Van Wyck Blvd./Archer Ave. line was built at the same time as the rest of the Queens Blvd line; given the numerous bellmouths elsewhere, it makes perfect sense. I'll bet it certainly made things a whole lot easier when construction on the Archer Ave. line began.



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Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937))

Posted by 5119 on Thu Aug 30 13:03:23 2012, in response to Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Aug 30 04:56:44 2012.

I believe the downhill run from Roosevelt-Jackson, passing through 65th street was the fastest one on the system. Those R-6's would literally "scream" through that station. The only other run that I think equaled this was the 86th Street to Grand Central downhill run on the Lexington Avenue express. My father recalls riding this in the 1940's and 50's. He said they were so fast on that run that the motor sounds "disppeared." This was way before the 59th street express station opened in 10/62.

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Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)

Posted by renee gil on Thu Aug 30 13:07:17 2012, in response to Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937), posted by Avid Reader on Tue Apr 24 08:59:01 2012.

Well this is close to it, but according to one of the old signs that hovered above the tracks on the platform at Union Tpke. station(they're gone now, this was about 26 years ago), the E and F were to continue to 179th St, and the G and N were to go to Jamaica Center. There was to be a G late night shuttle train from Van Wyck Blvd to Jamaica Center (This is what the sign actually said at Van Wyck Blvd underneath the black sticker covering. Whether they actually had plans to implement this scheme, I do not know.)

The G did ran to 179th Street during late nights in the 90s though.







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Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937))

Posted by renee gil on Thu Aug 30 13:09:54 2012, in response to Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 27 17:32:08 2012.

The old ramp originally ended by the interlocking just outside the Jamaica-Van Wyck station.

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Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937))

Posted by Edwards! on Thu Aug 30 16:18:27 2012, in response to Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Aug 30 04:56:44 2012.

Sorry about that..no harm was meant..
I loved it when an 46 took that hill..especially in "regulated mode" of 60mph..best ride in the system at the time if you loved speed..

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Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937))

Posted by Edwards! on Thu Aug 30 16:30:59 2012, in response to Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)), posted by renee gil on Thu Aug 30 12:44:46 2012.

Jamaica avenue/Hillside terminal First...THEN Down to Rockaway Blvd along a median in the proposed Van Wyck Expressway..then elevated to Rockaway Blvd to join with the 120th avenue route from the Rockaway line.

When Moses pulled his usual stunts..the line was to be relocated to the service road..
Queens COUNTY screamed bloody murder that the line was first delayed for the Hillside Branch..then deferred completely.
Moses "promised the line WOULD BE BUILT"..but as you can see..nothing ever became of it untill the Archer line was proposed and built..

The Jamaica Van Wyck station..sits on what would have been the first of the IND VAN WYCK BLVD line.

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Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937))

Posted by Avid Reader on Thu Aug 30 19:56:07 2012, in response to Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)), posted by 5119 on Thu Aug 30 13:03:23 2012.

I liked the A train express out of Euclid Ave to Broadway East New York. That uphill climb from Liberty Ave to B'Way ENY was just enough to slow it slightly as it pulled into the station.

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Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)

Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Fri Aug 31 17:49:20 2012, in response to Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937), posted by renee gil on Thu Aug 30 13:07:17 2012.

Similar platform signs for the G & N to JC were at 67th and 75th. I recall wondering how they were going to deal with layups on the express tracks. Presumably they would have had to run the Hillside express at least as far as Parsons until after the N stopped around 8PM. Or, they could have cut the N back to Continental after rush and somehow fit the E, F & G on the local.

The big problem with the G & N to JC, however, was they were locals and there would have been a mass exodus to the E & F at Van Wyck and Union Tpk. It would have made more sense at the time to send the E and the N to JC and the F & G to 179th. Cut the G & N to Continental starting at like 6:30-7PM.

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Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)

Posted by renee gil on Sat Sep 1 16:04:30 2012, in response to Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937), posted by Dupont Circle Station on Fri Aug 31 17:49:20 2012.

They were similar signage at both 67th Ave and 75th Ave? I don't remember seeing those signs at those 2 stations. When were they taken down?

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Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)

Posted by renee gil on Sat Sep 1 21:30:34 2012, in response to Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937), posted by renee gil on Thu Aug 30 10:54:02 2012.

Does anyone know how the G late night shuttle would of worked? Would the trains relay on the Jamaica Yard leads by the Union T'pke station?

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Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)

Posted by renee gil on Mon Sep 3 20:35:17 2012, in response to Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937), posted by renee gil on Thu Aug 30 10:54:02 2012.

Also, what if the G and N was to terminate at Jamaica Center, then what about Continental Ave? Would the G or N still be able to terminate there at other times?

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Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937))

Posted by VictorM on Mon Sep 3 22:57:17 2012, in response to Re: Van Wyck Boulevard (Re: The IND To Jamaica - 75 Years Ago (4/24/1937)), posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Thu Aug 30 02:35:56 2012.

They're widening (actually replacing) that long Van Wyck Expressway underpass under Queens Blvd. They will eventually restore the passageway to the north side (but not the south side) of Queens Blvd near the Briarwood library.

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