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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 15 11:52:56 2012 http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2012/04/14/light-rail-construction-kills-mans-restaurant-dream/ |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Sun Apr 15 12:03:29 2012, in response to The down side to new rail construction, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 15 11:52:56 2012. GOOD. WE NEED MORE TRAINS. RESTAURANTS ARE A DIME A DOZEN. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Apr 15 12:15:27 2012, in response to Re: The down side to new rail construction, posted by Rockparkman on Sun Apr 15 12:03:29 2012. I am sure you would be thrilled if that was your business...livelihood...and income.... |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Apr 15 12:16:45 2012, in response to The down side to new rail construction, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 15 11:52:56 2012. I guess the good of the few (or the one) is more important than the good of the many. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun Apr 15 12:26:38 2012, in response to The down side to new rail construction, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 15 11:52:56 2012. This is not just applicable to rail construction, but ALL construction projects. Even if a project somehow does not infringe on the local roads, and that's rare in an urban environment, the noise and heavy equipment often drives down the value of adjacent properties. Its an unfortunate part of construction. Still, if this had been a water main replacement project, the same issue would've come up. This is not incidental to rail projects.In addition, the article says this guy moved in 2 years ago. He likely knew the light rail was coming. He also has enough money to open at a new location, and he didn't say he's selling his current property yet, so he may just hang onto it and flip it for a profit when construction is over. |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Sun Apr 15 12:26:50 2012, in response to Re: The down side to new rail construction, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Apr 15 12:15:27 2012. Hardee har har, Read the article, The guy's going to relocate the dump. Besides, if the first comment on the story is true, his place had more serious problems than a trolley. Fuck Business, I have no sympathy for them. |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Sun Apr 15 12:29:05 2012, in response to Re: The down side to new rail construction, posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Apr 15 12:16:45 2012. Yeah, the asshole KNEW that they'd be building a trolley through there. I'd say the fucker made his bed. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Apr 15 12:30:22 2012, in response to Re: The down side to new rail construction, posted by Rockparkman on Sun Apr 15 12:26:50 2012. Except of course if it was YOUR livelihood. |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Sun Apr 15 12:30:54 2012, in response to Re: The down side to ALL construction, posted by J trainloco on Sun Apr 15 12:26:38 2012. Well said. Actually, I hope he goes under and has to find a job because he is now a poster boy for GOP anti rail agitation. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 15 12:32:44 2012, in response to Re: The down side to ALL construction, posted by J trainloco on Sun Apr 15 12:26:38 2012. Of course, but we often advocate all kinds of new rail construction without appreciating the cost some people pay. It's good to remember this. Sometimes NIMBY attitudes are motivated by life or death issues. |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Sun Apr 15 12:34:11 2012, in response to Re: The down side to new rail construction, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Apr 15 12:30:22 2012. HEY, NAZI READ THE ARTICLE. CRY ME A RIVER FOR THE ASSHOLE. I >>>DID<<< LOSE MY LIVELIHOOD IT WAS SOLD DOWN THE RIVER FOR THE BIGGEST WELFARE PROGRAM OF ALL, "DEFENSE" |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Sun Apr 15 12:35:25 2012, in response to Re: The down side to ALL construction, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 15 12:32:44 2012. Too bad, the trolley hater will rreopen a couple blocks down. BTW, read the comments. |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Sun Apr 15 12:42:58 2012, in response to Re: The down side to new rail construction, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Apr 15 12:30:22 2012. A failed businessman gets to reboot his dying restaurant.BTW NAZI Chrises, where's your sympathy for WORKING people who lost their jobs by the millions thanks to Nazi free trade policise which favor a few billionaires and wreck the country. If this guy fails (I hope*) he'll get drummed out of the local Chamber of Commerce and laughed at by his former "friends" It ain't gonna happen, he's got the $$$ to relocate. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sun Apr 15 12:55:31 2012, in response to Re: The down side to ALL construction, posted by J trainloco on Sun Apr 15 12:26:38 2012. Construction contractors do tend to behave like assholes. Several years ago I lived near a parking garage project which was making the whole neighborhood into a dust bowl. So the city ordered the contractor to water down the site. But then the trucks leaving the site were tracking mud all over the streets. So the city then ordered the contractor to wash the trucks as they left the site. The problem was finally solved. Of course the contractor could have taken care of the problem from the beginning but obviously wouldn't until forced to do so. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Apr 15 14:51:09 2012, in response to The down side to new rail construction, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 15 11:52:56 2012. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 15 14:56:16 2012, in response to Re: The down side to new rail construction, posted by Easy on Sun Apr 15 14:51:09 2012. Collectivist BS. The third movie bore that out. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 15 15:06:15 2012, in response to Re: The down side to new rail construction, posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Apr 15 12:16:45 2012. Commerce is the good of many. When public spending kills commerce, it's for the good of nobody, not even the politicians that authorized it. |
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Posted by chud1 on Sun Apr 15 15:09:23 2012, in response to Re: The down side to new rail construction, posted by Easy on Sun Apr 15 14:51:09 2012. u forgot a line, "or da one." says spock to kirkchud1 |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 15 15:18:19 2012, in response to Re: The down side to new rail construction, posted by chud1 on Sun Apr 15 15:09:23 2012. The line quoted was earlier in the movie. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Apr 15 15:23:41 2012, in response to Re: The down side to new rail construction, posted by Easy on Sun Apr 15 14:51:09 2012. I don't agree with that. It's a prescription for tyranny. People who subscribe to that generally see themselves as part of the "many."The man should be entitled to compensation for his loss. The article is silent on that. Also, I argue with its emphasis on light rail construction. I was around from beginning to end of the great era of highway construction in the U.S., and the stories of businesses going broke because the formerly main highway was now a backwater, of businesses, homes and farms obliterated, were commonplace. The common attitude then was "aww, that's too bad, but you can't stop progress." |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 15 15:35:07 2012, in response to Re: The down side to new rail construction, posted by SLRT on Sun Apr 15 15:23:41 2012. I was around from beginning to end of the great era of highway construction in the U.S., and the stories of businesses going broke because the formerly main highway was now a backwater, of businesses, homes and farms obliterated, were commonplace. The common attitude then was "aww, that's too bad, but you can't stop progress." |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 15 15:51:25 2012, in response to Re: The down side to new rail construction, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 15 15:06:15 2012. When public spending kills commerce, it's for the good of nobody, not even the politicians that authorized it.So by your logic, we should have simply left traditional buses running due to the fact that any improvement with a busway, light rail line, or subway would have caused similar effects. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 15 15:56:01 2012, in response to Re: The down side to new rail construction, posted by Easy on Sun Apr 15 14:51:09 2012. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Apr 15 16:00:08 2012, in response to Re: The down side to new rail construction, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 15 15:06:15 2012. you mean like building RRs that put canals out of business? |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Apr 15 16:01:41 2012, in response to Re: The down side to new rail construction, posted by SLRT on Sun Apr 15 15:23:41 2012. Uh huh. Because restaurants never fail. And how is it the taxpayers fault that he opened right before construction started? Was the line planned in secret? |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Apr 15 16:04:18 2012, in response to Re: The down side to new rail construction, posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Apr 15 12:16:45 2012. Oh snap! I didn't even see this. Great minds... |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Apr 15 16:15:47 2012, in response to Re: The down side to new rail construction, posted by Easy on Sun Apr 15 16:01:41 2012. Insofar as he could demonstrate lost business because of construction he should be compensated. I would say the same for any other kind of construction. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Apr 15 16:27:36 2012, in response to Re: The down side to new rail construction, posted by SLRT on Sun Apr 15 16:15:47 2012. Nice. So anyone can open a new business with construction pending at no risk to them personally.In any event, I doubt that he could demonstrate a net loss and prove that his failure was construction related since he had a brand new business. It'd be easier to prove with a more established business. |
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Re: The down side to ALL construction |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun Apr 15 16:38:06 2012, in response to Re: The down side to ALL construction, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 15 12:32:44 2012. Of course,but we often advocate all kinds of new rail construction without appreciating the cost some people pay.I agree. Of course, this applies to all construction projects. I someone decides to build a mega mall next to a residential area, it will negatively impact the housing there during construction, and potentially even when it opens. Ditto for power plants, highways and private projects. It's not something exclusive to rail projects. Sometimes NIMBY attitudes are motivated by life or death issues. This is hardly life or death. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 15 16:45:07 2012, in response to Re: The down side to new rail construction, posted by Easy on Sun Apr 15 16:01:41 2012. Because restaurants never fail. . . without cause. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sun Apr 15 16:45:58 2012, in response to Re: The down side to new rail construction, posted by SLRT on Sun Apr 15 16:15:47 2012. Even without anything traumatic happening in the neighborhood small businesses turn over. I recently visited a neighborhood where I used to live. (Astoria near the Ditmars Boulevard station) After 12 years some of the old businesses were still there but many were gone. |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Sun Apr 15 16:48:39 2012, in response to Re: The down side to new rail construction, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 15 16:45:07 2012. Read the comments, that business had OTHER reasons behind it's failure. |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Sun Apr 15 16:51:57 2012, in response to Re: The down side to new rail construction, posted by SLRT on Sun Apr 15 16:15:47 2012. If that asshole should be compensated then ALL the employees of businesses that ship their jobs offshore so that the stockholders can break unions should be totally compensated for ALL of their lost income. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Apr 15 16:56:56 2012, in response to Re: The UP side to new rail construction, posted by Rockparkman on Sun Apr 15 12:42:58 2012. Restaurant owners work. From 6am to 2am. Go try it out and then claim some bureaucrat is a 'working man', because all you're doing is insulting them all for cities you know nothing about. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun Apr 15 17:09:46 2012, in response to Re: The down side to new rail construction, posted by SLRT on Sun Apr 15 15:23:41 2012. The man should be entitled to compensation for his loss. The article is silent on that. Also,I argue with its emphasis on light rail construction. I was around from beginning to end of the great era of highway construction in the U.S.,and the stories of businesses going broke because the formerly main highway was now a backwater,of businesses,homes and farms obliterated,were commonplace. The common attitude then was "aww,that's too bad,but you can't stop progress."So if the government builds a new highway that bypasses your town, you should be compensated? Should we also hold private industry to that standard? If I create a product that makes yours obsolete, do I owe you compensation for the revenue you lose because people buy my product instead of yours? |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Sun Apr 15 17:22:26 2012, in response to Re: The UP side to new rail construction, posted by orange blossom special on Sun Apr 15 16:56:56 2012. Cry me a river for the asshole. You claim to be working class but you support this failed businessman who was stupid enough to open that place when he knew that a trolley would be built obstructing access to the premises. Anyway, he has the money to relocate. Besides, if you read the story comments you'll see that there are other problems with his business. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Apr 15 17:38:39 2012, in response to The down side to new rail construction, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 15 11:52:56 2012. "“I’m disappointed with the state,” he said."I'm reminding the readers that this is an area where the Democrat party is too far to the right. Secondly, these people must be lazy, the restaurant ain't even ON university! Which, he's on a nice part of it, but the road is a nightmare either way. Rail or no rail, will be better with rail. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Apr 15 17:40:23 2012, in response to Re: The UP side to new rail construction, posted by Rockparkman on Sun Apr 15 17:22:26 2012. The Streetcar isn't even ON his street and is not blocking access.So I cannot even address your other issues if that fundamental part is not on the level. I'll go back to your claim that restaurants ain't work. Since when did feeding people become not noble anymore? |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Apr 15 17:41:37 2012, in response to Re: The down side to ALL construction, posted by J trainloco on Sun Apr 15 12:26:38 2012. Correct on all accounts.I knew the train was coming 2 years ago too, I got pictures of the construction and fliers two years ago. This dude must be a....[insert blank] |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Apr 15 17:42:05 2012, in response to Re: The down side to ALL construction, posted by Rockparkman on Sun Apr 15 12:30:54 2012. huh? |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Apr 15 17:42:59 2012, in response to Re: The down side to ALL construction, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 15 12:32:44 2012. I say the people are lazy, they don't want to drive across an intersection of a road that sucked even before the train. This doesn't look like the typical cases of parking being obstructed or whatnot, he's on a sidestreet! |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Apr 15 17:44:18 2012, in response to Re: The down side to new rail construction, posted by SLRT on Sun Apr 15 15:23:41 2012. I still see those stories, but retold in a historical way, and the end line is same!The common attitude then was "aww, that's too bad, but you can't stop progress." |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Sun Apr 15 17:46:33 2012, in response to Re: The UP side to new rail construction, posted by orange blossom special on Sun Apr 15 17:40:23 2012. I'm just sick of you Nazis sticking up for rich businessmen and stabbing honest working class people in the back. That guy will just relocate (he HAS the money to do so) and should sink or swim based on the quality of his food. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Apr 15 18:04:25 2012, in response to Re: The down side to new rail construction, posted by J trainloco on Sun Apr 15 17:09:46 2012. There is a difference between the government, with the power of the purse and eminent domain, picking and choosing winners and losers by building public works that advantage some people and disadvantage others.And if you create a product that makes mine obsolete, and you've infringed my patents in order to do so, and/or you've used monopolistic practices to destroy competitors, you'd best believe I can be compensated. |
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Posted by numbersix on Sun Apr 15 19:01:53 2012, in response to Re: The down side to new rail construction, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Apr 15 16:00:08 2012. and the canals put the pack mules out to pasture. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 15 20:07:56 2012, in response to Re: The UP side to new rail construction, posted by orange blossom special on Sun Apr 15 16:56:56 2012. Yes, anyone that thinks a restaurant owner "doesn't work" really has no clue. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 15 20:13:28 2012, in response to Re: The down side to new rail construction, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Apr 15 16:00:08 2012. Put what canals out of business? Railroads didn't do that. Besides, canals were government projects, not private concerns like railroads were/are.I take it that you weren't aware that the Erie Canal carried thirteen times the amount of freight that all the competing railroads did, right up to 1901? (You should be proud of the canal's government financing and all.) The canal's usefulness was such that it was necessary to replace it with another canal, that being the New York State Barge Canal. (And that canal system got "replaced" by trucks, when your massive government highways came about.) |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun Apr 15 20:16:37 2012, in response to Re: The down side to new rail construction, posted by SLRT on Sun Apr 15 18:04:25 2012. There is a difference between the government,with the power of the purse and eminent domain,picking and choosing winners and losers by building public works that advantage some people and disadvantage others.There will always be winners and losers, unfortunately. The government has to build things, and as a result, certain people will gain, and certain people will lose. When NYC built waste transfer stations, people everywhere gained (more efficient trash removal), but people immediately next to those facilities lost (value to their properties). I don't think that the government needs to compensate people next to the waste facility for that personal loss. Equally distrubuting financial wealth to everyone... sounds like a communist idea. I thought you were a conservative ;) And if you create a product that makes mine obsolete,and you've infringed my patents in order to do so,and/or you've used monopolistic practices to destroy competitors, you'd best believe I can be compensated. But what if neither of those conditions are met? For example, to Google and Apple owe RIM compensation because they've effectively destroyed their share of the smartphone market? |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Sun Apr 15 20:18:16 2012, in response to Re: The down side to new rail construction, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 15 20:13:28 2012. The land grant fueled railroads werejust as government funded as were the canals. By the time of the railroads, business figured out how to get transfer payments from the government. |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Sun Apr 15 20:20:28 2012, in response to Re: The UP side to new rail construction, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 15 20:07:56 2012. You Nazis just think that the only folks who have a right to more than a bare existence lifestyle are tha self employed. |
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