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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?) |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Apr 14 18:19:48 2012, in response to Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by SLRT on Fri Apr 13 22:00:25 2012. College Point LIRR MP54 |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Apr 14 18:31:57 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 14 18:18:05 2012. Staten Island Car near canarsie. |
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NOW do we know where it is? (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)) |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 14 18:35:02 2012, in response to Last Hints for Awhile (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)), posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 14 16:55:45 2012. Same photo, in larger context. Original view is at lower left.
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 14 18:35:38 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by Avid Reader on Sat Apr 14 18:31:57 2012. Standard, not near Canarsie. |
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Re: NOW do we know where it is? (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)) |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Apr 14 18:37:51 2012, in response to NOW do we know where it is? (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)), posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 14 18:35:02 2012. Well, we are not in Kansas anymore! |
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Re: NOW do we know where it is? (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 14 18:46:49 2012, in response to NOW do we know where it is? (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)), posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 14 18:35:02 2012. Still looks too rural for the Brighton line. |
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Re: NOW do we know where it is? (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 14 18:48:05 2012, in response to NOW do we know where it is? (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)), posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 14 18:35:02 2012. Is that bridge in the upper right still there? |
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Re: NOW do we know where it is? (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)) |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 14 18:51:37 2012, in response to Re: NOW do we know where it is? (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 14 18:46:49 2012. Not the Brighton Line. |
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Re: NOW do we know where it is? (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)) |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 14 18:52:56 2012, in response to Re: NOW do we know where it is? (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 14 18:48:05 2012. Yes, though it is somewhat obscured. |
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Re: NOW do we know where it is? (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)) |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Apr 14 19:35:22 2012, in response to NOW do we know where it is? (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)), posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 14 18:35:02 2012. 86th St. Sea Beach line. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Apr 14 19:37:27 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by Joe Saitta on Sat Apr 14 16:36:24 2012. as told to me by an "old timey"sirt employee many,many years ago a steam engine pulled a few electric trains from arlington to the con ed plant for employee`s only during rush hours. |
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Re: NOW do we know where it is? (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)) |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Apr 14 19:56:29 2012, in response to NOW do we know where it is? (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)), posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 14 18:35:02 2012. I,m guessing a test run on the sea beach with one of the 3 standard`s that were fitted with trolley poles to test them before the 3rd rail was energized. |
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Re: NOW do we know where it is? (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)) |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Apr 14 20:36:30 2012, in response to Re: NOW do we know where it is? (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)), posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 14 18:51:37 2012. Still looks too rural for the Sea Beach line. |
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Posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Sat Apr 14 21:28:56 2012, in response to Re: NOW do we know where it is? (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)), posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Apr 14 19:35:22 2012. That would make it here, more or less, with Marlboro Houses and Dewey High School and the athletic field now west of the tracks and some houses and the north end of the CI Shops to the east. Nice picture. |
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Posted by Dave on Sat Apr 14 22:10:44 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 14 16:43:37 2012. Why do I keep thinking it's the NYW&B? |
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WHERE it is NOW (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)) |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 14 22:19:41 2012, in response to Re: NOW do we know where it is? (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)), posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Sat Apr 14 21:28:56 2012. The Red X shows just about where that BRT Standard was almost a century ago.The line curving off on the mystery photo was the original Sea Beach Line, which was actually visible at least into the '60s and before Coney Island Yard was built over it. The creek was Hubbard's Creek, which was filled for Coney Island Yard and housing further inland.  |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 14 22:22:18 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by Dave on Sat Apr 14 22:10:44 2012. BMT Standards were nearly as big as NYW&B cars and has roofs that look superficially similar. But the NYW&B was a very heavily built road with overhead electrification and the cars had pantographs. |
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Re: WHERE it is NOW (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)) |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Apr 15 00:23:52 2012, in response to WHERE it is NOW (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)), posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 14 22:19:41 2012. Dame Dewey Field looks good. When I was there it was just dirt and Rocks. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Apr 15 03:55:35 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 14 12:49:02 2012. Interurbans can be powered by 3rd rail. Think C, A, & E although this isn't it! |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Apr 15 03:59:16 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by Avid Reader on Sat Apr 14 18:19:48 2012. The hint in a previous post definitely placed it S/O 86 St Sea Beach!!! |
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Re: NOW do we know where it is? (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)) |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Apr 15 09:20:55 2012, in response to Re: NOW do we know where it is? (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)), posted by tunnelrat on Sat Apr 14 19:56:29 2012. This was c.1920, well after the test phase, but before Coney Island Yard was started. |
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Re: WHERE it is NOW (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 15 11:59:36 2012, in response to WHERE it is NOW (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)), posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 14 22:19:41 2012. So what's that line branching off? The original ROW to Culver Terminal? |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Apr 15 15:27:29 2012, in response to Re: WHERE it is NOW (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 15 11:59:36 2012. The original right-of-way to Sea Beach Palace, the location of Luna Park, roughly midway between Culver and West End Depots. Sea Beach never went to Culver, though it stopped in front of West End Depot for about a year before the current connecting tracks to West End Depot were built. |
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Re: WHERE it is NOW (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 15 15:53:52 2012, in response to Re: WHERE it is NOW (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)), posted by SLRT on Sun Apr 15 15:27:29 2012. Hmm, I thought the Sea Beach and Culver shared a terminal for a while. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Apr 15 16:10:33 2012, in response to Re: WHERE it is NOW (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 15 15:53:52 2012. Nope. The Sea Beach had a secondary terminal at Ocean Parkway for awhile, by which they claimed service to "Brighton Beach." |
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Re: WHERE it is NOW (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)) |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Apr 15 16:31:44 2012, in response to Re: WHERE it is NOW (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 15 15:53:52 2012. Brighton shared Culver Depot via the Sea View ROW, but that was only after the BRT controlled both. |
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Posted by GIS Man on Mon Apr 16 08:53:01 2012, in response to NOW do we know where it is? (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)), posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 14 18:35:02 2012. 86th St (N)?Bob |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Apr 16 13:52:10 2012, in response to Re: NOW do we know where it is? (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)), posted by GIS Man on Mon Apr 16 08:53:01 2012. Yes. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 16 14:32:18 2012, in response to Re: NOW do we know where it is? (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)), posted by SLRT on Mon Apr 16 13:52:10 2012. Gravesend didn't look so gravelike back then. |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Apr 16 15:10:15 2012, in response to Re: NOW do we know where it is? (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 16 14:32:18 2012. Interesting that they actually farmed that land. |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Apr 16 15:10:15 2012, in response to Re: NOW do we know where it is? (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 16 14:32:18 2012. Interesting that they actually farmed that land. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 16 15:13:27 2012, in response to Re: NOW do we know where it is? (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)), posted by SLRT on Mon Apr 16 15:10:15 2012. There was farming in Queens into the 1950's. And I'm not just referring to the fringes. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Mon Apr 16 15:18:07 2012, in response to Re: NOW do we know where it is? (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 16 15:13:27 2012. into the `70`s too. |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Apr 16 18:17:24 2012, in response to Re: NOW do we know where it is? (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 16 15:13:27 2012. Farming actually lasted a long time in Brooklyn. My surprise was that they cultivated what had been marsh land. Riding across the Coney Island Creek area on the Coney Island Avenue horse car was described as a race between the horses and the mosquitoes. |
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Posted by HANDBRAKE on Mon Apr 16 20:20:51 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by randyo on Sun Apr 15 03:59:16 2012. Looking at the 1924 version of the NYC GIS Aeriel map, it is the Sea Beach line at a point just opposite to the Stillwell Storage yard, located just south of Dewey HS, and west of the inspection barn.The siding shown on the 1924 NYC GIS aerial map is horizontally parallel to where the ramp of the West End line rises to reaches the elevated structure at Stillwell Avenue. I recall active farms adjacent to the CI Yard up until the later part of the 1960's, and Staten Island into the 1970's. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Apr 17 06:22:56 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by HANDBRAKE on Mon Apr 16 20:20:51 2012. Talk about Staten Island, much of it was downright rural until after the V-N Bridge was built. I used to love the strangeness of riding city buses (6000 series Macks) on the 108-113 from Tottenville on roads where the bus had stops where there was a house. |
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