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NJT waste: ALP-44s stored at Port Morris Yard (railfan's album)

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 13 22:19:16 2012

Album belongs to one Joe Gates. All locos have pantographs removed and windows boarded over with metal. Link here

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Re: NJT waste: ALP-44s stored at Port Morris Yard (railfan's album)

Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 13 22:34:07 2012, in response to NJT waste: ALP-44s stored at Port Morris Yard (railfan's album), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 13 22:19:16 2012.

Maybe the locomotives are for sale? Does anybody need to buy some?

ROAR

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Re: NJT waste: ALP-44s stored at Port Morris Yard (railfan's album)

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 13 22:39:44 2012, in response to Re: NJT waste: ALP-44s stored at Port Morris Yard (railfan's album), posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 13 22:34:07 2012.

If SEPTA's Silverliner Vs keep clunking, then maybe they'll have to become push-pulls with these as power.

Would have been great to see these as power on the MBTA's Attleborough-Providence line, but not all tracks on there that the T's trains use are electrified.

If Metro-North and Connecticut DOT could have found some slots in NYP (the impossible of the impossible of course, but even for argument's sake), then the only sensible motive power would have been these hauling Shoreliners. And of course, Connecticut DOT continues to waste diesel fuel running SLE with diesels, something that was no longer necessary after 1999; should have picked some ALP-44s up to push-pull the Mafersa cars with.

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Re: NJT waste: ALP-44s stored at Port Morris Yard (railfan's album)

Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 13 22:52:43 2012, in response to Re: NJT waste: ALP-44s stored at Port Morris Yard (railfan's album), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 13 22:39:44 2012.

Waste diesel fuel?

Think of all the fuel that is being saved at the power plant!

ROAR

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Re: NJT waste: ALP-44s stored at Port Morris Yard (railfan's album)

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 13 23:16:38 2012, in response to Re: NJT waste: ALP-44s stored at Port Morris Yard (railfan's album), posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 13 22:52:43 2012.

Not that much. Electric still more heat efficient than diesel. We've got Geeps still operating deep into their fourth decade that those ALP-44s should have outlasted.

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Re: NJT waste: ALP-44s stored at Port Morris Yard (railfan's album)

Posted by Rockparkman on Fri Apr 13 23:34:42 2012, in response to Re: NJT waste: ALP-44s stored at Port Morris Yard (railfan's album), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 13 23:16:38 2012.

Electric locomotives are superior to diesel in every way. If a GP9 built in 1957 can still run today with the vibrations of its diesel then an electric unit should last TWICE AS LONG.

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Re: NJT waste: ALP-44s stored at Port Morris Yard (railfan's album)

Posted by Dekatyou on Sat Apr 14 01:32:09 2012, in response to Re: NJT waste: ALP-44s stored at Port Morris Yard (railfan's album), posted by Rockparkman on Fri Apr 13 23:34:42 2012.

But, Electronic locomotive need "wire.".

No need wire for diesel.



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Re: NJT waste: ALP-44s stored at Port Morris Yard (railfan's album)

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 14 01:33:11 2012, in response to Re: NJT waste: ALP-44s stored at Port Morris Yard (railfan's album), posted by Dekatyou on Sat Apr 14 01:32:09 2012.

That's not the issue here, really.

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Re: NJT waste: ALP-44s stored at Port Morris Yard (railfan's album)

Posted by chud1 on Sat Apr 14 06:32:29 2012, in response to NJT waste: ALP-44s stored at Port Morris Yard (railfan's album), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 13 22:19:16 2012.

excellent pictures.
chud1

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Re: NJT waste: ALP-44s stored at Port Morris Yard (railfan's album)

Posted by nasadowsk on Sat Apr 14 07:51:44 2012, in response to Re: NJT waste: ALP-44s stored at Port Morris Yard (railfan's album), posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 13 22:52:43 2012.

Given most power plants don't burn oil. Millstone is in New London - it's a pretty large nuke and no doubt supplies a good chunk of the shore line's catenary.

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Re: NJT waste: ALP-44s stored at Port Morris Yard (railfan's album)

Posted by kp5308 on Sat Apr 14 08:06:43 2012, in response to Re: NJT waste: ALP-44s stored at Port Morris Yard (railfan's album), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 13 22:39:44 2012.

If SEPTA's Silverliner Vs keep clunking, then maybe they'll have to become push-pulls with these as power.

The Reading side cannot take the load of more than 3 of them due to the power distribution system. Remember the South Shore & the "Little Joes"? The juice boys neede to be careful when they were used because of this same issue.


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Re: NJT waste: ALP-44s stored at Port Morris Yard (railfan's album)

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 14 11:34:40 2012, in response to Re: NJT waste: ALP-44s stored at Port Morris Yard (railfan's album), posted by kp5308 on Sat Apr 14 08:06:43 2012.

What's wrong with SEPTA's power distribution on the RDG side? Thought it was the same as the former PRR's, and they see several electric locos all the time? SEPTA slacking on maintenance?

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Re: NJT waste: ALP-44s stored at Port Morris Yard (railfan's album)

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 14 11:42:37 2012, in response to Re: NJT waste: ALP-44s stored at Port Morris Yard (railfan's album), posted by chud1 on Sat Apr 14 06:32:29 2012.

. . . of a sad situation.

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Re: NJT waste: ALP-44s stored at Port Morris Yard (railfan's album)

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 14 12:21:03 2012, in response to Re: NJT waste: ALP-44s stored at Port Morris Yard (railfan's album), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 13 22:39:44 2012.

These 44's need a mid-life overhaul. Particularly the ones purchased in 1988-90. Amtrak can't use them as is because they are only geared for a top speed of 100 MPH.

The logical destination for these engines is Metro North, for service between New Haven and Penn Station.

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Re: NJT waste: ALP-44s stored at Port Morris Yard (railfan's album)

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 14 12:23:49 2012, in response to Re: NJT waste: ALP-44s stored at Port Morris Yard (railfan's album), posted by kp5308 on Sat Apr 14 08:06:43 2012.

Only 2 push pulls regularly use the Reading side anyway.

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Re: NJT waste: ALP-44s stored at Port Morris Yard (railfan's album)

Posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Apr 14 13:54:30 2012, in response to Re: NJT waste: ALP-44s stored at Port Morris Yard (railfan's album), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 13 22:39:44 2012.

MNR and SLE.

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Re: NJT waste: ALP-44s stored at Port Morris Yard (railfan's album)

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 14 14:25:37 2012, in response to Re: NJT waste: ALP-44s stored at Port Morris Yard (railfan's album), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 14 12:21:03 2012.

Amtrak can't use them as is because they are only geared for a top speed of 100 MPH

They're only certified for that fast. It's likely they can run at 125 mph though. As for Amtrak, they'd want to give them AC traction, and they're already getting their new slew of motors who knows when.


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