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Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by SLRT on Fri Apr 13 22:00:25 2012



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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by Train2104 on Fri Apr 13 22:05:31 2012, in response to Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by SLRT on Fri Apr 13 22:00:25 2012.

Looks like what is now the Shore Line Trolley Museum.

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by eyedoctor on Fri Apr 13 22:14:07 2012, in response to Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by SLRT on Fri Apr 13 22:00:25 2012.

London District Line?


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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 13 22:15:20 2012, in response to Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by SLRT on Fri Apr 13 22:00:25 2012.

Single car, single track. I wanna say SIR South Beach branch

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by SLRT on Fri Apr 13 22:22:07 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 13 22:15:20 2012.

It's two tracks. It isn't South Beach, but it is New York City.

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by Joe Saitta on Fri Apr 13 22:30:09 2012, in response to Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by SLRT on Fri Apr 13 22:00:25 2012.

A wild guess, but, could that be the New York & Queens in the Flushing Meadows? Car is heading west towards Woodside on what would become or is Northern Boulevard, track branching off is the Woodside via Elmhurst line, which was the first one abandoned, sometime, I believe, in the 1920s.

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by SLRT on Fri Apr 13 22:47:32 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by Joe Saitta on Fri Apr 13 22:30:09 2012.

No, but that's a good reasoned guess.

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Apr 14 08:43:27 2012, in response to Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by SLRT on Fri Apr 13 22:00:25 2012.

Is that Lauralton Branch to Far Rockaway of LIRR.

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by orange blossom special on Sat Apr 14 08:59:36 2012, in response to Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by SLRT on Fri Apr 13 22:00:25 2012.

Times Square before Guiliani fixed it up

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 14 09:28:27 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by orange blossom special on Sat Apr 14 08:59:36 2012.

What Guiliani did was fine, what Bloomberg did though....

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Apr 14 09:31:20 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 14 09:28:27 2012.

Bloomberg, the Putin of New York!

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 14 09:42:49 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by Avid Reader on Sat Apr 14 09:31:20 2012.

I never thought I would see the .000000001% elected mayor of New York.

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 14 09:44:49 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by Avid Reader on Sat Apr 14 08:43:27 2012.

No. If anyone could take a good stab at what kind of car that is (it was in regular service) it might help a little.

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Apr 14 09:57:46 2012, in response to Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by SLRT on Fri Apr 13 22:00:25 2012.

port washington branch,whitestone branch cutoff.

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by Joe Saitta on Sat Apr 14 10:33:16 2012, in response to Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by SLRT on Fri Apr 13 22:00:25 2012.

Wait a minute! That looks like a NYW&B car.

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by grimace1169 on Sat Apr 14 11:03:38 2012, in response to Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by SLRT on Fri Apr 13 22:00:25 2012.

Coney Island creek?

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by chud1 on Sat Apr 14 11:31:25 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by Avid Reader on Sat Apr 14 09:31:20 2012.

DA DICTATOR OF NYC
chud1

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 14 12:29:03 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 14 09:44:49 2012.

It doesn't look like a streetcar. I also can't tell if it's powered by overhead wire or third rail. I am guessing the former.

Bath Junction in Brooklyn?

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Apr 14 12:38:50 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by Joe Saitta on Sat Apr 14 10:33:16 2012.

The picture is kind of fuzzy, but it does look like a NYW&B Stillwell MU car!

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 14 12:49:02 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 14 12:29:03 2012.

It's not a streetcar or interurban. It's powered by third rail.

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 14 13:01:00 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 14 12:49:02 2012.

Well that certainly helps. Re-calculating ...

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Apr 14 13:03:47 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 14 12:49:02 2012.

Okay, it's not the NYW&B. How about the old Canarsie line, south of Rockaway Parkway?

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Apr 14 13:11:41 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by Elkeeper on Sat Apr 14 13:03:47 2012.

Or, if 3rd railed, north of Rockaway Parkway!

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 14 13:12:41 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by Elkeeper on Sat Apr 14 13:11:41 2012.

Neither.

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 14 13:23:33 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 14 13:12:41 2012.

There are only so many places this could be. Third rail means 1900 at the earliest. The area is unsettled, eliminating a lot of choices in Brooklyn and Queens. This is why I went with the junction with the South Beach line. The only other railroad junction within the city's borders that would apply is the junction with the PW/Whitestone branch in Flushing.

Outside being somewhere on the Whitestone Branch, I am totally stumped.

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by Joe Saitta on Sat Apr 14 13:47:12 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by Train2104 on Fri Apr 13 22:05:31 2012.

Ok, SIRT North Shore Line. Track going off to bottom of photo is lead-in to Arlington Yard.

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 14 13:55:19 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by grimace1169 on Sat Apr 14 11:03:38 2012.

That's not Coney Island Creek.

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 14 13:58:46 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by Joe Saitta on Sat Apr 14 13:47:12 2012.

Hmmm, perhaps further west near Port Ivory?

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Apr 14 14:03:27 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by Elkeeper on Sat Apr 14 12:38:50 2012.

He said it's third rail powered.

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by Joe Saitta on Sat Apr 14 14:19:44 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 14 13:58:46 2012.

No, Port Ivory is further north off of the North Shore Line. Don't believe that spur was electrified. It's somewhere on the SIRT's North Shore Line, in my opinion. However, it's hard to determine, at this moment, exactly where but a good clue would be the track's nearness to the water. I'll keep trying.

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by The Silence on Sat Apr 14 14:19:55 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by Joe Saitta on Sat Apr 14 10:33:16 2012.

that looks just like....

a grey blob.

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 14 14:21:42 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 14 13:58:46 2012.

Not the Arlington Line. The line with the car still exists but the line curving off does not.

The line curving off no longer had passenger service by the time this picture was taken (c.1920) and never had third rail.

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 14 14:22:52 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by Joe Saitta on Sat Apr 14 14:19:44 2012.

There was electric service into Port Morris, according to this website. I was thinking this was a single car relaying west of Arlington between there and PI.

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by 5119 on Sat Apr 14 14:22:55 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by Train2104 on Fri Apr 13 22:05:31 2012.

Gibbs Cars somewhere on the LIRR a long time age?

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 14 14:23:34 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by 5119 on Sat Apr 14 14:22:55 2012.

Too big for a Gibbs car.

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 14 14:23:37 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 14 14:21:42 2012.

Hmmmmm. Re-calculating ....

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Apr 14 14:26:44 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Apr 14 14:03:27 2012.

LIRR Manhattan Beach RR, near Coney Island Creek?

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 14 14:27:13 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by Elkeeper on Sat Apr 14 14:26:44 2012.

Was never electrified with third rail.

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Apr 14 14:29:13 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 14 14:27:13 2012.

Rules that one out!

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 14 14:36:53 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by Elkeeper on Sat Apr 14 14:29:13 2012.

Yeah, this one is giving me a headache, which means it's a good one.

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Apr 14 15:03:58 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 14 13:55:19 2012.

SIRT, near either Tompkinsville or Clifton. Both had former connections for smaller freight lines.

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by The Silence on Sat Apr 14 15:40:47 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by Elkeeper on Sat Apr 14 15:03:58 2012.

but neither have creeks.

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 14 15:54:58 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by The Silence on Sat Apr 14 15:40:47 2012.

And both were not THAT rural when the SIR was electrified in the 1920's.

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by Joe Saitta on Sat Apr 14 16:36:24 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 14 14:21:42 2012.

Could that be the line that was operated by steam locomotives pulling the electric cars? Can't think of the name offhand but it was a special weekend service to some sort of home.

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 14 16:43:37 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by Joe Saitta on Sat Apr 14 16:36:24 2012.

That's another good guess. You're thinking of the Mount Loretto Line.

Pictures here: http://thethirdrail.net/0201/sirt15.html

But it's not that. It's nowhere on Staten Island.

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Last Hints for Awhile (Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?))

Posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 14 16:55:45 2012, in response to Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by SLRT on Fri Apr 13 22:00:25 2012.

It's a good guess that most of the posters of SubChat have ridden on this very location on the line shown here, probably many times. The line is still on the same r-o-w, but the area around it looks different now.

Some of us have even ridden on the type of equipment on that line that is in the picture.


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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by Joe Saitta on Sat Apr 14 17:01:54 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 14 16:43:37 2012.

Well, I tried. Sooner or later maybe I'll figure it out.

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 14 17:40:35 2012, in response to Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by SLRT on Fri Apr 13 22:00:25 2012.

Arnine single on the World's Fair spur?

(how's that for off the wall?)

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Apr 14 18:14:38 2012, in response to Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by SLRT on Fri Apr 13 22:00:25 2012.

Standard, near Canarsie.

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Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?)

Posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 14 18:18:05 2012, in response to Re: Mystery Photo (Hard?), posted by Avid Reader on Sat Apr 14 18:14:38 2012.

Half-right.

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