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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Apr 2 09:36:50 2012 Oh well no surprise here "Reactive" MTA at work |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Apr 2 09:37:15 2012, in response to MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by Railman718 on Mon Apr 2 09:36:50 2012. Discuss.. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Apr 2 10:24:34 2012, in response to MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by Railman718 on Mon Apr 2 09:36:50 2012. It could very well work. Just the motormen (sorry, train operators) have to be right on the money with the spots and stop markers appropriate for the number of cars and line they are working.I mean there sure have been a lot of platform incidents, and liabilities probably are soaring, and we all know it is at the cost of company $$$$. I just hope the costs of building and maintaining the protective barriers will be fully worth it. |
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Posted by andy on Mon Apr 2 12:34:00 2012, in response to MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by Railman718 on Mon Apr 2 09:36:50 2012. This one is really a tough call. The sad incident on the L train in which the young man was killed in a scuffle is a rarity. More typically, trains kill people who jump on purpose or who are intoxicated. Pushing incidents thankfully are rare. So it's more a question of personal responsibility rather than making the system spend mega-dollars to retrofit 480 stations (meaning probably 1000+ platforms).Imagine the weekend or overnight service disruptions required to perform the installations. This idea needs a lot of thought before funding is even identified. Probably would start with the 2nd Ave. Subway stations at 72nd, 86th, and 96th. Also could be tried at a few high-density existing stations, say Times Square, before becoming systemwide. My guess is that this issue will be debated for the rest of my lifetime, and I am 60+ now. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Mon Apr 2 12:37:22 2012, in response to MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by Railman718 on Mon Apr 2 09:36:50 2012. How will the garbage trains pick up at stations? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Apr 2 12:40:15 2012, in response to Re: MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by G1Ravage on Mon Apr 2 12:37:22 2012. G1 this is a dumb Idea you know it i do but WHO do we work for again? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Apr 2 13:26:15 2012, in response to Re: MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by Railman718 on Mon Apr 2 12:40:15 2012. The MTA Chairman stated that it would not be done in our lifetime, if at all. He all but made Prenderghast the poster boy for , "Loose lips sink careers"! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 13:34:23 2012, in response to Re: MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by G1Ravage on Mon Apr 2 12:37:22 2012. The same way they do now because this plan is DOA. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Apr 2 13:46:11 2012, in response to Re: MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by andy on Mon Apr 2 12:34:00 2012. Cannot be considered in B division until train lengths and car lengths are standardized. A division is a different story, since all cars are 51' and all train lengths are the same on any given line.wayne |
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Posted by Jeromeline on Mon Apr 2 13:48:47 2012, in response to MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by Railman718 on Mon Apr 2 09:36:50 2012. Oh goody, every station will become like the SB plat at 14th and Lex. Pull in and stop at the proper place and wait for the doors to be "energized" then open. After the C/R closes down the train will procede slowly so the platform doors can close then the train can proceed at the proper speed to the next station where we can start the procedure all over again |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Apr 2 14:00:30 2012, in response to Re: MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Apr 2 13:46:11 2012. Even on the IRT, the doors line up slightly differently on the R-62s and the R-142s and within an R-142 unit the "A" car doors are opposite each other while on the B and C cars they are offset so even within the same train, the doors don't line up perfectly. If platform doors had enough variation in them to accommodate those differences, they probably wouldn't be sufficiently effective to serve the purpose they should. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Apr 2 14:13:16 2012, in response to Re: MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by Jeromeline on Mon Apr 2 13:48:47 2012. While I don't agree with the concept of the platform doors, the situation with them would not be the same as it is with the gap fillers at 14 St. The platform doors can be designed to open at the exact moment the train stops without a delay as is the case with the gap fillers. Then, since the platform doors can close simultaneously with the train doors rather than having the slow movement of the train retract the gap fillers, the train can proceed out of the station at normal speed. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon Apr 2 14:57:52 2012, in response to Re: MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by G1Ravage on Mon Apr 2 12:37:22 2012. Forget about the garbage train. Work train deliveries, skid steer bobcat operations and, door alignments of 60' vs 75' cars are issues too. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 15:22:29 2012, in response to Re: MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by J trainloco on Mon Apr 2 14:57:52 2012. It would be easier to put up signs at every station reminding people that going on the tracks is bad, mkay?
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Mon Apr 2 16:42:17 2012, in response to Re: MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by randyo on Mon Apr 2 14:13:16 2012. It still takes a lot longer to line up with the doors. The best case for doors is only on a fully automated system with high stop accuracy. If you think the system is slow now, wait until they try this sort of bullshit. |
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Re: MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, Nanny State |
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Posted by E and F and sometimes J on Mon Apr 2 17:39:02 2012, in response to MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by Railman718 on Mon Apr 2 09:36:50 2012. Would you like the conductor to step out of the cab hold your hand while boarding? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 2 18:00:47 2012, in response to MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by Railman718 on Mon Apr 2 09:36:50 2012. Wow, a century after the subway is built and humans have suddenly turned so stupid as to need 'em, eh . . . |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Apr 2 18:00:50 2012, in response to MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by Railman718 on Mon Apr 2 09:36:50 2012. Folks are encouraged not to drink and drive.They also have no business being in the subway as they are more prone to fall onto the tracks in front of a train due to his impairment. |
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Posted by MATHA531 on Mon Apr 2 18:16:27 2012, in response to MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by Railman718 on Mon Apr 2 09:36:50 2012. It's typical of the mentality of NYCT; it can't be done. We don't need it. They yelled for years about something as basic as countdown timers, long after they were put in place in London, a system older than ours, and Paris a system in many places older than ours. But it can't be done. It's not necessary.It is necessary. They have recently installed barriers on the #1 line in Paris. Look, the doors of the gates don't have to match up. Train ernters the station, doors on the fences open which allows you to access the train...you might have to walk a couple of feet to the car door. Gong sounds, doors close, you have to step to the other side of the barrier (this does need to be enforced). Is it perfect? Of course not...perfect would be floor to wall barriers and given the configuration of many stations and as noted the different kinds of equipment on various lines, that won't work. But just some sort of barrier that no won't prevent people who are intent on doing themselves in from jumping them but will prevent accidents like what happend on the L train. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Apr 2 18:42:49 2012, in response to Re: MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 2 18:00:47 2012. Yes. This is exactly what is happening. First the Family fails, then the schools fail, then the community fails, there never was any hope for the state, and now the Federal Government is so far over the edge that there can no longer be any recovery.Nanny State Socialists to the Extreme! I hope Obama is reelected, I do not want any Republican or Conservative finger prints on this train wreck. I have taken all of my money out of all investments, and put the whole wad on jelly beans. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Apr 2 18:45:52 2012, in response to Re: MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Apr 2 18:00:50 2012. Even if the MTA put barriers in the big mid-town stations were there are huge crowds to protect, those who want to off themselves need only go to a station that has not been protected yet. 436 stations each with 2 or 4 platforms, we are talking about 1200 or more platform edges to protect.This is not possible. Sensible people will keep away from the platform edges, and the others will not be missed. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Apr 2 18:48:54 2012, in response to Re: MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by MATHA531 on Mon Apr 2 18:16:27 2012. It is impossible. There are too many platform edges to be protected.The BEST anybody can hope for is a railing with openings where the doors are expected to be. Even this is a non-starter: The trains would have to slow down much more to stop on the mark. This would cut the number of trains that each line can handle. We need more service not less. |
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Posted by WillD on Mon Apr 2 18:54:32 2012, in response to Re: MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Apr 2 13:46:11 2012. Cannot be considered in B division until train lengths and car lengths are standardized. A division is a different story,since all cars are 51' and all train lengths are the same on any given line.Complete and utter bunk:  Courtesy SkyscraperCity |
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Re: MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, Idiocracy Rising |
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Posted by E and F and sometimes J on Mon Apr 2 19:05:31 2012, in response to Re: MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 2 18:00:47 2012. Idiocracy... It's not just a movie.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clYwX8Z43zg&feature=youtube_gdata_player |
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Posted by WillD on Mon Apr 2 19:06:25 2012, in response to Re: MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by Jersey Mike on Mon Apr 2 16:42:17 2012. It still takes a lot longer to line up with the doors. The best case for doors is only on a fully automated system with high stop accuracy. If you think the system is slow now,wait until they try this sort of bullshit.Then install a PSD system which can reconfigure itself both for changes in door placement on different car types and even for varying stop positions along the platform:  Courtesy SkyscraperCity |
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Re: MTA NOT Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Apr 2 19:23:09 2012, in response to MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by Railman718 on Mon Apr 2 09:36:50 2012. Corrected title:"“The idea came out at the transit committee meeting,” MTA chairman Joseph Lhota said last week. “They’re quite expensive and given the 496 stations, I think that’s the number, it’d be quite prohibitive.” An MTA spokesperson told Brown, however, that the MTA doesn’t even have the cash to conduct a study of the barriers. The spokesperson said the protective doors would more typically be done when designing a new system – not when retrofitting an older one. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Apr 2 20:38:26 2012, in response to Re: MTA NOT Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by italianstallion on Mon Apr 2 19:23:09 2012. Considering the cost of 496 stations will be in the billions, Lhota is right on target. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Apr 2 20:48:06 2012, in response to Re: MTA NOT Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Apr 2 20:38:26 2012. So they're forced to do this on all the stations at once, not a few that may need it?Or do you all mean there's no new stations or lines under construction at all or even refurbishment? The logic here is confusing. |
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Posted by Bounad Hanhic on Mon Apr 2 21:01:07 2012, in response to Re: MTA NOT Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by orange blossom special on Mon Apr 2 20:48:06 2012. Here is a simple solution that is not cost prohibitive, if anyone is a certified nut have a doctor perscribe that they use buses instead or get a court order banning them from the subway and therefore forced to use buses. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 2 21:03:35 2012, in response to Re: MTA NOT Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by italianstallion on Mon Apr 2 19:23:09 2012. No; Lhota was not definitive in his statement. He also wasn't very clear that they wouldn't be needed at every last station. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Apr 2 21:03:44 2012, in response to Re: MTA NOT Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by Bounad Hanhic on Mon Apr 2 21:01:07 2012. Oh yeah and then post a guard at every entrance to the subway 24/7 to check the papers of all riders to see that they have been deemed okay to ride the subway. Sounds like Hitler's Germany. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Apr 2 21:04:57 2012, in response to Re: MTA *maybe not* Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 2 21:03:35 2012. I think when he said that it would not be done in our lifetime, that's pretty final. |
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Posted by TonyG on Mon Apr 2 21:36:50 2012, in response to Re: MTA NOT Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Apr 2 20:38:26 2012. Not only that... Not having the barriers allows for flexibility. In the B division you have currently have 60' and 75' cars not to mention door placement and spacing may not be consistent amongst all types of 60' and 75' cars... Also some lines use 8 cars and some 10 cars. In the A division you have similar issues. The system as a whole would need a complete overhaul to make it work. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Apr 2 22:10:17 2012, in response to Re: MTA NOT Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by TonyG on Mon Apr 2 21:36:50 2012. You can actually design platform doors where panels would open appropriately to accommodate 60 or 75 foot cars. That's not the issue. How high would you make them so people cannot climb over them? How would you make them so no one could either intentionally or unintentionally gat "trapped" on the track side of the wall? |
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Posted by Michael549 on Mon Apr 2 22:37:38 2012, in response to Re: MTA NOT Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by italianstallion on Mon Apr 2 19:23:09 2012. Here's an interesting issue. If the Transit Authority starts to install such barriers on the schedule that the TA is using for ADA access, then it might be a while before all stations are up-graded. It would could then seem that non-upgraded stations might be called "un-safe". Now if someone were to fall on the tracks of one of those "un-safe" stations, the TA could be sued for "failing to provide barriers". One current example is that the TA is being sued about not providing elevators at a station (Parkchester) for not having ADA features - even though providing such features were not planned for.Just a thought. Mike |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Apr 2 23:07:13 2012, in response to Re: MTA NOT Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by Michael549 on Mon Apr 2 22:37:38 2012. Since the MTA's timetable for ADA accessibility was based on a legal settlement with the Federal Government, that lawsuit should fail. |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Mon Apr 2 23:27:24 2012, in response to Re: MTA NOT Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by Train Dude on Mon Apr 2 22:10:17 2012. The designers of the 34th Street – Eleventh Avenue station can answer your questions. [thread] |
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Re: MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, Nanny State |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Apr 2 23:37:16 2012, in response to Re: MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, Nanny State, posted by E and F and sometimes J on Mon Apr 2 17:39:02 2012. Would you like the conductor to step out of the cab hold your hand while boarding?Sorry my C/R does not need to hold my hand hes not my type.. Sometimes i do admit the MTA needs to hold some of these folks hand who ride the trains though.. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Mon Apr 2 23:44:22 2012, in response to MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by Railman718 on Mon Apr 2 09:36:50 2012. Since 1904 this hasn't been a problem, now all of a sudden it is ?Vandals would have a field day too. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Apr 2 23:44:44 2012, in response to Re: MTA NOT Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Mon Apr 2 23:27:24 2012. Thank you. This does sort of contradict the MTA Chairman, though. Interesting that they emphasized energy savings over safety. |
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Posted by Dekatyou on Tue Apr 3 01:38:53 2012, in response to Re: MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by WillD on Mon Apr 2 18:54:32 2012. Similar type of doors are already installed at the stations of Tokyo Metro Hukutoshin Line. And Tokyu Railways will install platform gate at all stations of Toyoko Line. There are 18m cars set (using for Hibiya Line direct service) and 20m cars set on the line. Problems are solved, but "real" problems are....these doors are made in Japan, not in The United States. |
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Posted by grand concourse on Tue Apr 3 02:01:30 2012, in response to Re: MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by Newkirk Images on Mon Apr 2 23:44:22 2012. +1 |
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Posted by grand concourse on Tue Apr 3 02:04:03 2012, in response to Re: MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Apr 2 18:48:54 2012. yup |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 3 02:11:28 2012, in response to Re: MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Apr 2 18:00:50 2012. Problem is, if you drink and drive you go to jail. If you drink and fall in the subway, you sue and get money. |
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Posted by Jeromeline on Tue Apr 3 02:12:54 2012, in response to MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by Railman718 on Mon Apr 2 09:36:50 2012. Let's get this straight! In 2010 almost 700 million people rode the subway, If .0000004% of them get hit by a train that would be 280 people. Can anyone please tell me why so much money needs to be spent to "protect" a small minority of people? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 3 02:45:05 2012, in response to Re: MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by Jeromeline on Tue Apr 3 02:12:54 2012. Because the amount of money paid out in lawsuits is astronomical.TA looks at the $ signs. |
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Posted by Bounad Hanhic on Tue Apr 3 06:13:23 2012, in response to Re: MTA NOT Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by Train Dude on Mon Apr 2 21:03:44 2012. Don't they do this in airports? This was only for the LOL's anyway. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Apr 3 10:15:40 2012, in response to Re: MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by Dekatyou on Tue Apr 3 01:38:53 2012. Ah.. So...What do these things cost. Who is going to pay for it. Sure it is a capitol expense, but with Obama on the way out (praised be to God) nobody is going to get any funding for this from the Fed. Remember if the FED pays for it, it must be done for all subway systems in the country, not just for NYC. It the state of New York could afford it people would complain that money was not being spent for their pet projects and so politicians run the risk on not getting elected. Ditto the City, if the city were to do it they would have to raise taxes somewhere else, and more businesses will move to New Jersey, Atlanta or China. The MTA *could* afford to do it on their own hook, but then fares would have to go up to $10.00 a ride, and so nobody would ride, and there would be no point in doing it, AND the people (Blessed be the name of the People) would BITCH and none of the politicians would ever be re-elected again (Which might be a good thing.) ROAR |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Apr 3 11:52:55 2012, in response to Re: MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by WillD on Mon Apr 2 19:06:25 2012. Or not...it is not the job of the MTA to protect people from themselves. The least cost solution is a system of mobile power washers. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Apr 3 12:36:01 2012, in response to MTA Considering Installing Protective Barriers On Subway Platforms, posted by Railman718 on Mon Apr 2 09:36:50 2012. Very unrealistic except in a few places:On Philadelphia's system, you probably could do it because you only have two full subway lines (Market-Frankford and Broad Street) plus the Broad-Ridge Spur, and the two main lines use different cars that never are on the same branch (though the Broad-Ridge Spur uses the same cars as the Broad Street Subway). It probably would not be too costly to do it in Philly. In New York, you could really only do it at a handful of stations on the IRT lines, including the Times Square-Grand Central shuttle. |
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