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Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av

Posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Mar 23 23:03:19 2012

Service Change Posted: 03/23/2012 10:17PM

Due to a police investigation at the Bedford Avenue Station, there is no (L) service on Uptown trains between the Myrtle-Wyckoff Avenues and the 8th Avenue Station.

Please expect delays in service on (L) trains at this time.

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Re: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av

Posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Mar 23 23:18:04 2012, in response to Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Mar 23 23:03:19 2012.

12-9; that person is alive & transfer to Bellevue Hospital by EMS.

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12-9: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av; more details

Posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Mar 23 23:25:48 2012, in response to Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Mar 23 23:03:19 2012.

Unconfirmed reports from Twitter....
"bedford avenue L. apparently people were fighting and they fell into tracks. one got out one is crushed btwn train and platform. oh no."
--- https://twitter.com/#!/sosoglos

"Just witnessed the most horrifying scene at the Bedford L. Guys got in a fight, pushed in tracks. Train came. Holy shit."
--- https://twitter.com/#!/JenaSteinbach

"There was an incident on the L train at Bedford. All I can hear are the screams and people running and frightened by the sight. Oh god"
--- https://twitter.com/#!/NYsocialbee

"Someone wedged between platform and L train at Bedford ave. still alive but badly hurt. No manh bound L. Bedford and n7 closed for e911 crew"
---https://twitter.com/#!/cephalic_

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Re: 12-9: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av; more details

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Mar 23 23:31:15 2012, in response to 12-9: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av; more details, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Mar 23 23:25:48 2012.

Another bullshit 12-9.

Another train operator going down to pee in the cup, go thru the whole bureaucratic hassle, be scarred for life.

T/O's are being terrorized by these misfits. I've never seen so many 12-9's in such a short span of 2 weeks in my entire career. Every time we go down the road it's a crap shoot asking "Am I going to be the next guy to experience this"?

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12-9 (2 people?): Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av; more details

Posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Mar 23 23:33:53 2012, in response to 12-9: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av; more details, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Mar 23 23:25:48 2012.

"Ermmm.... A grisly scene at the Bedford L... Someone got run over by a train after a fight on the platform..."
---https://twitter.com/#!/MrStreetPeeper

"Bad things at Bedford L...2 ppl hit by manhattan bound train. :("
---https://twitter.com/#!/nthnsknnr

"Breaking 911 male DOA after fight on L Train ...No L Train service @ this time ...brawl on BEDFORD AVE LEADS TO MAN KILLED BY L TRAIN ."
---https://twitter.com/#!/bklynphatman

"Saw Fiona Apple then walked into mayhem on Bedford. A fight broke out on the L & people ended up on the tracks infront of the train. "
---https://twitter.com/#!/mikeboyceesq

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[Daily News] Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av

Posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Mar 23 23:36:19 2012, in response to Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Mar 23 23:03:19 2012.

A man was critically injured after he was struck by a subway train in Brooklyn Friday night.

The unidentified 28-year-old man was struck by a Manhattan bound L-train at the Bedford Avenue station at N. Seventh St. in Williamsburg shortly after 10 p.m., FDNY officials said.

The injured man was taken to Bellevue Hospital where he was listed in critical condition.

Police were investigating to determine how he ended up on the tracks and in the path of the oncoming train.

--- http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/man-struck-train-critically-injured-williamsburg-station-article-1.1050148#ixzz1q0AXEE81

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Re: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av

Posted by Train2104 on Fri Mar 23 23:36:45 2012, in response to Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Mar 23 23:03:19 2012.

There's probably no service at all right now west of Wyckoff, unless they're establishing one track shuttles.

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Re: 12-9: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av; result of fighting

Posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Mar 23 23:41:47 2012, in response to Re: 12-9: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av; more details, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Mar 23 23:31:15 2012.

Yep, this 12-9 is bullshit!

"OMG. Someone died on the L train tracks at Bedford because 2 people were fighting! Train shut down & police getting bodega video."
---https://twitter.com/#!/db

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Re: 12-9: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av; result of fighting

Posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 23 23:43:29 2012, in response to Re: 12-9: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av; result of fighting, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Mar 23 23:41:47 2012.

Gene Pool gets thinner and thinner..

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Re: 12-9: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av; result of fighting

Posted by grand concourse on Fri Mar 23 23:49:03 2012, in response to Re: 12-9: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av; result of fighting, posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 23 23:43:29 2012.

indeed.

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[Daily News] more info; 12-9 : Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av

Posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Mar 24 00:02:03 2012, in response to [Daily News] Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Mar 23 23:36:19 2012.

A man was critically injured after he was struck by a subway train in Brooklyn Friday night.

The unidentified 28-year-old man was struck by a Manhattan bound L-train at the Bedford Avenue station at N. Seventh St. in Williamsburg shortly after 10 p.m., FDNY officials said.

The injured man was taken to Bellevue Hospital where he was listed in critical condition.

A witness said the victim had been fighting with another man on the tracks just seconds before he was struck.

"Two guys were fighting on the tracks. One of them got trapped between the platform and the train,” said Woody Brown, a window washer who saw the incident.

“I had a sickening feeling. He was still breathing heavy and trapped from the waist down. He seemed like he was in shock,” Brown said.

Police could not immediately confirm the eyewitness account and said they were investigating to determine how the incident occurred.

---http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/man-struck-train-critically-injured-williamsburg-station-article-1.1050148#ixzz1q0HCGY5W

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Re: 12-9: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av; more details

Posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Mar 24 00:16:07 2012, in response to Re: 12-9: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av; more details, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Mar 23 23:31:15 2012.

"Apparently, a fight broke out over a stolen phone @ the Bedford Ave L stop- guy then got pushed onto tracks and run over. Christ."
---https://twitter.com/#!/uncleguito

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Re: 12-9: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av; more details

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Mar 24 04:33:31 2012, in response to Re: 12-9: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av; more details, posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Mar 24 00:16:07 2012.

You guys don't know what it's like to work the PM and midnight shifts on Friday and Saturday nights unless you've experienced it firsthand over a number of years like I had.

A retired/late c/r of mine used to call our last night of our work week on the M "Maniac Friday".

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Re: 12-9: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av; more details

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 24 04:52:27 2012, in response to Re: 12-9: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av; more details, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Mar 24 04:33:31 2012.

Best part is once you get out of midtown and spot the puddle coming under the cab door. :-\

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Re: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av

Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Mar 24 09:21:06 2012, in response to Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Mar 23 23:03:19 2012.

What is an "Uptown" train on the L? Of all the trains in the subway system, the Uptown/Downtown paradigm is probably least applicable to the L.

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Re: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av

Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Mar 24 09:26:39 2012, in response to Re: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Mar 24 09:21:06 2012.

Yes, it should be eastbound/westbound.

Just amazing (as noted in another post) how much this was a fight over a stolen phone. That phone mess is a whole other issue because it appears those phones are sold over the black market (the TODAY show did a whole report on this earlier this week).

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Re: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av

Posted by LRG5784 on Sat Mar 24 09:29:02 2012, in response to Re: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Mar 24 09:26:39 2012.

I remember watching that. Supposedly the IMEI number is supposed to be locked forever so it'll never be reactivated again.

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Re: 12-9: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av; more details

Posted by LRG5784 on Sat Mar 24 09:30:27 2012, in response to Re: 12-9: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av; more details, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 24 04:52:27 2012.

That's gross.

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[CBS-2 & NYP]: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av

Posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Mar 24 09:53:36 2012, in response to Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Mar 23 23:03:19 2012.

One person is dead and another is being sought by police after a fight on a subway train spilled onto the platform and ended up on the tracks.

It was a frightening incident in front of hundreds of witnesses at the Bedford Avenue train station in Brooklyn at around 10 p.m. Friday.

Police say a confrontation following a verbal dispute between two men on the L train spilled onto the platform when the train stopped and then escalated into a full-blown fight.

Both men fell onto the tracks, but one was able to climb back to safety and flee the scene. The other man however, remained on the tracks and was hit by an oncoming train.

Police closed the subway station for several hours as crime scene investigators gathered more information about how the incident happened.

“There was a woman kneeling beside [the victim] and she was doing the best she could,” one witness said.

Police have identified the victim as 20-year-old Joshua Basin of Howard Beach. Investigators are calling his death a homicide and say they are looking for a suspect, a white male in his early 30s.

So far, no one has been arrested. The investigation is still ongoing.

Anyone with information is urged to call the authorities.

---http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/03/24/man-struck-killed-by-oncoming-train-at-bedford-avenue-station/


A man died after he was pinned between a subway car and the platform at the Bedford Avenue L train station in Brooklyn last night, sources said.

Joshua Basin, 20, was taken to Bellevue Hospital in critical condition and later died, cops said.

Police are sill investigating the incident, but witnesses said the Howard Beach, Queens man was crushed by the train after he got into a fight with another man and they both fell onto the tracks.

As the train pulled into the station a man wearing a black fleece said, “It’s showtime” and then punched Basin in the face as the doors opened, a witness said.

The two men fought and fell onto the tracks, and the victim was hit while trying to climb out when a train approached.

“When I looked he was trying to pull himself out, but there wasn’t enough time,” said the witness who watched the fight.

Police are still looking for the other participant in the fight -- described as a white male in his early 30s.
--- http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/crushed_by_train_6n305RpZWFFQGzJQAzx5gI#ixzz1q2eZ7MoX

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Re: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av

Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Mar 24 10:28:38 2012, in response to Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Mar 23 23:03:19 2012.

It used to be Gold Chain snatching.
Then it went to "Walkmans"
Then Paigers or Beepers.

Now its Mobile phones.


The Perps, when, and if caught should be charged with 1St degree murder, or attempted murder during the commission of a crime.
Using the tracks and trains as a deadly weapon.

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College student killed by (L) train after drunken man attacked him & pushed him onto tracks

Posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Mar 24 11:10:01 2012, in response to Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Mar 23 23:03:19 2012.


Joshua Basin

Victim's mother, Zena Basin

A LaGuardia Community College student was killed by a Brooklyn subway train Friday, after a boozed-up straphanger started a fight and the the tussle spilled onto the tracks.

Joshua Basin, 20, was riding an eastbound L train to go to his girlfriend's house in Long Island when a drunken man began berating him and his two friends before the Bedford Ave. stop in Williamsburg, sources and a friend said.

When the train stopped, Basin and his pals got out of the train - but the suspect attacked him on the platform about 10 p.m., cops and family said.

"There was some kind of drunk person," said Basin's heartbroken mother, Zena Basin. "The guy was fighting with him. The guy kept coming at him and they both fell."

As Basin tried to defend himself, the pair dropped to the tracks on the opposite side - just as a Manhattan-bound train came barreling into the station, cops sources and family said.

The suspect, believed to be a white man in his early 30s, climbed back onto the platform and ran away. But Basin couldn't manage to pull himself out in time and was struck by the train, cops and his mother said.

"He ran away," the weeping mother said of the suspect. "He left my son dead."

Basin was rushed to Bellevue Hospital, but he could not be saved.

His devastated mother clutched a picture of her only child at the family's Howard Beach, Queens, home as tears welled in her eyes.

"My only son," she said. "I need to find out why anyone would do this to my loving son."

She said Joshua was born a twin, but the only to survive. She said the junior psychology major was planning a night out with friends when the tragic altercation sparked on the train.

"He wasn't a fighter," she said. "He would never hurt anyone. He was a good boy."

Cops were still hunting for the suspect. Investigators were poring over surveillance video at the station, but have not yet found any footage of the suspect, a source said.

"Whoever did this to my son needs to turn himself in," the mother said. "I need to find out why he did that to my son."

---http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/college-student-killed-train-fight-drunk-man-spilled-tracks-article-1.1050252#ixzz1q2yYvPo2

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Re: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av

Posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Mar 24 11:13:49 2012, in response to Re: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Mar 24 09:21:06 2012.

Uptown- Manhattan, Downtown- Rockaway Parkway.

I dont think MTA ever used eastbound - westbound terminology in the subways.

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Re: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 24 11:27:55 2012, in response to Re: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Mar 24 09:21:06 2012.

All NY City Subway trains are designated as either northbound or Southbound even if they travel east and west. On the L train, 14st & 8th Ave is the northern terminal hence a train heading into Manhattan would be designated as northbound.

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Re: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av

Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Mar 24 12:44:38 2012, in response to Re: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av, posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Mar 24 11:13:49 2012.

Probably "Manhattan-bound" and "Canarsie-bound" would make the most sense. Uptown and downtown make sense in Manhattan and the Bronx, except on crosstown lines like the 7 and the L.

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Re: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Mar 24 12:51:10 2012, in response to Re: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Mar 24 12:44:38 2012.

Timetable direction in NYCT is "NORTH" or "SOUTH", regardless of geographical orientation. It's tricky, though, because some "SOUTH" terminals, like Metropolitan Avenue on the (M), and Mott Ave/Far Rock on the (A) have trains arriving facing geographically north. Interestingly, between Myrtle Avenue and Essex Street on the (J)/(M)/(Z), northbound (Jamaica-bound) (J) and (Z) trains share the same track as southbound (M) trains.



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Re: College student killed by (L) train after drunken man attacked him & pushed him onto tracks

Posted by Fulton Frank on Sat Mar 24 14:41:55 2012, in response to College student killed by (L) train after drunken man attacked him & pushed him onto tracks, posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Mar 24 11:10:01 2012.

Ahhh, that's the famously devastating injury - pinned between the car body and the platform. You're alive until they extricate you...

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Re: College student killed by (L) train after drunken man attacked him & pushed him onto tracks

Posted by chud1 on Sat Mar 24 14:44:04 2012, in response to College student killed by (L) train after drunken man attacked him & pushed him onto tracks, posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Mar 24 11:10:01 2012.

this has got to stop. dictator bloomy better start hiring more Police.
chud1

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Re: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av

Posted by MATHA531 on Sat Mar 24 15:12:47 2012, in response to Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Mar 23 23:03:19 2012.

I will say it again...the platform at Bedford is a between the tracks platform (is that called an island platform?). It is too narrow. No matter what people say, it is time to begin constructing fences between the platforms and the tracks with moval gates to prevent this sort of thing from happening. It is not prohibitively expensive as would be full sized barriers a la the air train. I was in Paris this past summer riding the #1 line and the gates are in. Are they aesthetically pleasant. No. Do they do the job? Yes.

But then again there is this culture of no can do that has pervaded the NYC Transit system for decades. Count down timers? No, not necessary. A modern smart card fare collection system? No, not necessary tokens or an outdated metrocard system will do. Now simple protectie gates? I can name dozens of platforms that are simply too narrow where it wouldn't take a big outlay to do. No, they won't protect against somebody intent on doing themselveds in jumpng over them (I know that would be prohibitively expensive) but simple chain fences with doors that open when train arrives in the station (and they don't have to coincide with the doors of the train...they are automatically opened when the train enters the station and closed when the doors close. Don't tell me they're not practica. OF course they're pracdtical and necessary.

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Re: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av

Posted by randyo on Sat Mar 24 15:14:56 2012, in response to Re: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av, posted by MATHA531 on Sat Mar 24 15:12:47 2012.

It won't work unless the platform doors are in perfect synch with the train doors since innovative NYers will find a way to circumvent them.

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Re: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av

Posted by MATHA531 on Sat Mar 24 15:24:40 2012, in response to Re: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av, posted by randyo on Sat Mar 24 15:14:56 2012.

Well a place to start would be the L line as they all ue the same equipment but my suggestions does not mean the gates have to line up...when the train arrives the gates open and if you have to walk a couple of feet to the open door, that's fine. Of course since they are not floor to ceiling, they can be circumvented but most people wouldn't want to and if somebody really wants to do themselves in, I agree it would hardly be a deterrent. But it would prfevent accidents such as what happened here especially when some of he platforms, one would have to agree, are simply too narrow for the 21st century.

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Re: 12-9: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av; more details

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 24 15:54:38 2012, in response to Re: 12-9: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av; more details, posted by LRG5784 on Sat Mar 24 09:30:27 2012.

All part of "the needs of the service." :(

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[CBS-2 news video] 12-9 :Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av

Posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Mar 24 16:38:54 2012, in response to Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Mar 23 23:03:19 2012.



Video: http://newyork.cbslocal.com/video?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=6873516

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Re: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av

Posted by merrick1 on Sat Mar 24 16:40:01 2012, in response to Re: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Mar 24 12:44:38 2012.

I got the following email alert today:

"Police investigation at Roosevelt Av, n/b R terminate 57/7. n/b E, F R trains running with delays. Visit www.mta.info for details."

How many passengers know which direction is n/b for the E and F in Queens?

The n/b E is actually going south at Jamaica-Van Wyck as is the n/b F at Briarwood-Van Wyck

They usually do say Jamaica bound and Manhattan bound in these alerts.

I guess you could figure it out because the n/b R is terminating at 57/7.

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Re: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av

Posted by merrick1 on Sat Mar 24 17:06:23 2012, in response to Re: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av, posted by MATHA531 on Sat Mar 24 15:12:47 2012.

The Vancouver Skytrain is automated and does not have platform doors. Instead the signal system stops the train if someone falls on the tracks.

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Re: No Mo' 12-9's enough

Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Mar 24 18:37:39 2012, in response to Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Mar 23 23:03:19 2012.

I have had enough


http://us.mg5.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=61httc3rpbmfb




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Re: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Mar 24 20:57:04 2012, in response to Re: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av, posted by merrick1 on Sat Mar 24 17:06:23 2012.

And what happens if the person falls 2 feet in front of the train?

Can the train possibly stop before striking the person?

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Re: No Mo' 12-9's enough

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Mar 24 21:00:39 2012, in response to Re: No Mo' 12-9's enough, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Mar 24 18:37:39 2012.

So has every t/o.

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Re: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av

Posted by HANDBRAKE on Sat Mar 24 21:53:22 2012, in response to Re: Another problem on (L) train @ Bedford Av, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Mar 24 12:51:10 2012.

As mentioned more than once in earlier posts, the BMT considered all Manhattan bound service as North. On the former BMT Eastern Division, J track (J/Z Line) North ends at the geographic south end of the Chamber Street station where it meet the North end of "R" Nassau tracks. J1 becomes R1, and R1 becomes J1. The two center tracks at Chmabers (J4&3), become R3&4 then merge into a single tail track R3/4.

At this rail junction the two track chaining codes end at a common North termination point, yet are geographically opposite each other.

All former eastern division odd numbered tracks in Brooklyn and Queens are considered South, even numbers towards operating North (Wayside signals will display track chaining codes).

The Archer Avenue terminal chaining codes show the upper level IND tracks with codes D2A/D1A (North Terminal), and the BMT tracks located on the lower level as J1/J2 (South Terminal).

Interesting note. The Liberty Avenue Elevated line continues to use the former BMT eastern division chaining code scheme (K1/K2), but happens to fall into the correct North/South chaining convention as a result of that line being connected to the IND Fulton Street line.


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